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On September 18 2013 03:46 Advantageous wrote:HOORA FOR DOTA! is sc2 still going to be at columbus? 
No, the Red Bull event is that weekend in NYC.
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all of you defending the entry fee: you realize that the fee (and the association with gambling) is why people from certain states and Quebec cant play right?
a lot of amateurs trying to make a dent in the comp dota 2 community will have to deal with the registration hurdle of clearing an entry fee and a lot of NA residents living in the wrong state won't be able to play so that alliance can win $25k instead of $23 or $24k
and to the idea that the biggest prize money at the top makes teh most sense for dota 2 as a competitive sport: i fail to see how the difference between a $23k or $25k top prize makes a dent of a difference when the international gives out $1.4 mil, whereas a more even prize distribution grows the game by getting more people involved in the competitive scene. that starts with helping the entry level competitors break even instead of being out $40 or being barred from playing completely due to living in the wrong state
the community will generally defend MLG on this one because they got a $50k tournament... but that doesnt mean that the money couldn't be used better and more efficiently
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On September 18 2013 03:52 Kraznaya wrote:
all of you defending the entry fee: you realize that the fee (and the association with gambling) is why people from certain states and Quebec cant play right?
a lot of amateurs trying to make a dent in the comp dota 2 community will have to deal with the registration hurdle of clearing an entry fee and a lot of NA residents living in the wrong state won't be able to play so that alliance can win $25k instead of $23 or $24k
and to the idea that the biggest prize money at the top makes teh most sense for dota 2 as a competitive sport: i fail to see how the difference between a $23k or $25k top prize makes a dent of a difference when the international gives out $1.4 mil, whereas a more even prize distribution grows the game by getting more people involved in the competitive scene. that starts with helping the entry level competitors break even instead of being out $40 or being barred from playing completely due to living in the wrong state
the community will generally defend MLG on this one because they got a $50k tournament... but that doesnt mean that the money couldn't be used better and more efficiently
Well clearly you know better and should brush up your resume and apply for the Esports Manager position at Blizzard or tell Sundance you can make his events gold. I am sure it will be just as easy from the other side.
Edit: I love the arguments that boil down to “I know you are defending them with totally valid arguments, but you have to admit there is room for improvement.” Yeah, no shit.
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On September 18 2013 03:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 03:52 Kraznaya wrote:
all of you defending the entry fee: you realize that the fee (and the association with gambling) is why people from certain states and Quebec cant play right?
a lot of amateurs trying to make a dent in the comp dota 2 community will have to deal with the registration hurdle of clearing an entry fee and a lot of NA residents living in the wrong state won't be able to play so that alliance can win $25k instead of $23 or $24k
and to the idea that the biggest prize money at the top makes teh most sense for dota 2 as a competitive sport: i fail to see how the difference between a $23k or $25k top prize makes a dent of a difference when the international gives out $1.4 mil, whereas a more even prize distribution grows the game by getting more people involved in the competitive scene. that starts with helping the entry level competitors break even instead of being out $40 or being barred from playing completely due to living in the wrong state
the community will generally defend MLG on this one because they got a $50k tournament... but that doesnt mean that the money couldn't be used better and more efficiently Well clearly you know better and should brush up your resume and apply for the Esports Manager position at Blizzard or tell Sundance you can make his events gold. I am sure it will be just as easy from the other side. Edit: I love the arguments that boil down to “I know you are defending them with totally valid arguments, but you have to admit there is room for improvement.” Yeah, no shit.
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point to a valid argment uve made lmao
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On September 18 2013 03:56 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 03:54 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 03:52 Kraznaya wrote:
all of you defending the entry fee: you realize that the fee (and the association with gambling) is why people from certain states and Quebec cant play right?
a lot of amateurs trying to make a dent in the comp dota 2 community will have to deal with the registration hurdle of clearing an entry fee and a lot of NA residents living in the wrong state won't be able to play so that alliance can win $25k instead of $23 or $24k
and to the idea that the biggest prize money at the top makes teh most sense for dota 2 as a competitive sport: i fail to see how the difference between a $23k or $25k top prize makes a dent of a difference when the international gives out $1.4 mil, whereas a more even prize distribution grows the game by getting more people involved in the competitive scene. that starts with helping the entry level competitors break even instead of being out $40 or being barred from playing completely due to living in the wrong state
the community will generally defend MLG on this one because they got a $50k tournament... but that doesnt mean that the money couldn't be used better and more efficiently Well clearly you know better and should brush up your resume and apply for the Esports Manager position at Blizzard or tell Sundance you can make his events gold. I am sure it will be just as easy from the other side. Edit: I love the arguments that boil down to “I know you are defending them with totally valid arguments, but you have to admit there is room for improvement.” Yeah, no shit. ? point to a valid argment uve made lmao
Why would I try to re-justify my arguments again when you argument boils down to "Yo, shit could be improved, they could spend the money BETTER IMO!" ? If you don't like it, don't watch. Your the only one who is upset that it cost $7.50 per person for a team to give it a shot. I know Magic The Gathering tournaments that charge more.
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On September 18 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 03:56 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 03:54 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 03:52 Kraznaya wrote:
all of you defending the entry fee: you realize that the fee (and the association with gambling) is why people from certain states and Quebec cant play right?
a lot of amateurs trying to make a dent in the comp dota 2 community will have to deal with the registration hurdle of clearing an entry fee and a lot of NA residents living in the wrong state won't be able to play so that alliance can win $25k instead of $23 or $24k
and to the idea that the biggest prize money at the top makes teh most sense for dota 2 as a competitive sport: i fail to see how the difference between a $23k or $25k top prize makes a dent of a difference when the international gives out $1.4 mil, whereas a more even prize distribution grows the game by getting more people involved in the competitive scene. that starts with helping the entry level competitors break even instead of being out $40 or being barred from playing completely due to living in the wrong state
the community will generally defend MLG on this one because they got a $50k tournament... but that doesnt mean that the money couldn't be used better and more efficiently Well clearly you know better and should brush up your resume and apply for the Esports Manager position at Blizzard or tell Sundance you can make his events gold. I am sure it will be just as easy from the other side. Edit: I love the arguments that boil down to “I know you are defending them with totally valid arguments, but you have to admit there is room for improvement.” Yeah, no shit. ? point to a valid argment uve made lmao Why would I try to re-justify my arguments again when you argument boils down to "Yo, shit could be improved, they could spend the money BETTER IMO!" ? If you don't like it, don't watch. Your the only one who is upset that it cost $7.50 per person for a team to give it a shot. I know Magic The Gathering tournaments that charge more.
i pointed a lot of legitimate flaws with the tournament
if they fixed them, MLG would get my business and i would for example buy an in game ticket
this is why businesses do customer service and open threads like these to solicit consumer feedback
MLG reads these threads because its better for them to know why i dont like a certain part of what they do so they get more business
im surprised that u need this to be explained to u
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On September 18 2013 04:05 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 03:56 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 03:54 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 03:52 Kraznaya wrote:
all of you defending the entry fee: you realize that the fee (and the association with gambling) is why people from certain states and Quebec cant play right?
a lot of amateurs trying to make a dent in the comp dota 2 community will have to deal with the registration hurdle of clearing an entry fee and a lot of NA residents living in the wrong state won't be able to play so that alliance can win $25k instead of $23 or $24k
and to the idea that the biggest prize money at the top makes teh most sense for dota 2 as a competitive sport: i fail to see how the difference between a $23k or $25k top prize makes a dent of a difference when the international gives out $1.4 mil, whereas a more even prize distribution grows the game by getting more people involved in the competitive scene. that starts with helping the entry level competitors break even instead of being out $40 or being barred from playing completely due to living in the wrong state
the community will generally defend MLG on this one because they got a $50k tournament... but that doesnt mean that the money couldn't be used better and more efficiently Well clearly you know better and should brush up your resume and apply for the Esports Manager position at Blizzard or tell Sundance you can make his events gold. I am sure it will be just as easy from the other side. Edit: I love the arguments that boil down to “I know you are defending them with totally valid arguments, but you have to admit there is room for improvement.” Yeah, no shit. ? point to a valid argment uve made lmao Why would I try to re-justify my arguments again when you argument boils down to "Yo, shit could be improved, they could spend the money BETTER IMO!" ? If you don't like it, don't watch. Your the only one who is upset that it cost $7.50 per person for a team to give it a shot. I know Magic The Gathering tournaments that charge more. i pointed a lot of legitimate flaws with the tournament if they fixed them, MLG would get my business and i would for example buy an in game ticket this is why businesses do customer service and open threads like these to solicit consumer feedback MLG reads these threads because its better for them to know why i dont like a certain part of what they do so they get more business im surprised that u need this to be explained to u
I don’t need it explained to me, I understand. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I need it explained to me. Also, just because you don’t like something does not make it a “legitimate flaw”. Your opinion on how things should be is not “fact” And MLG read your criticism and responded. They said that they were sorry you did not agree, but that is how it makes sense for them to run their event. They are clearly reading, took what you said but did not agree with you. Saying it over and over again isn’t going to change their mind.
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On September 18 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 04:05 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 03:56 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 03:54 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 03:52 Kraznaya wrote:
all of you defending the entry fee: you realize that the fee (and the association with gambling) is why people from certain states and Quebec cant play right?
a lot of amateurs trying to make a dent in the comp dota 2 community will have to deal with the registration hurdle of clearing an entry fee and a lot of NA residents living in the wrong state won't be able to play so that alliance can win $25k instead of $23 or $24k
and to the idea that the biggest prize money at the top makes teh most sense for dota 2 as a competitive sport: i fail to see how the difference between a $23k or $25k top prize makes a dent of a difference when the international gives out $1.4 mil, whereas a more even prize distribution grows the game by getting more people involved in the competitive scene. that starts with helping the entry level competitors break even instead of being out $40 or being barred from playing completely due to living in the wrong state
the community will generally defend MLG on this one because they got a $50k tournament... but that doesnt mean that the money couldn't be used better and more efficiently Well clearly you know better and should brush up your resume and apply for the Esports Manager position at Blizzard or tell Sundance you can make his events gold. I am sure it will be just as easy from the other side. Edit: I love the arguments that boil down to “I know you are defending them with totally valid arguments, but you have to admit there is room for improvement.” Yeah, no shit. ? point to a valid argment uve made lmao Why would I try to re-justify my arguments again when you argument boils down to "Yo, shit could be improved, they could spend the money BETTER IMO!" ? If you don't like it, don't watch. Your the only one who is upset that it cost $7.50 per person for a team to give it a shot. I know Magic The Gathering tournaments that charge more. i pointed a lot of legitimate flaws with the tournament if they fixed them, MLG would get my business and i would for example buy an in game ticket this is why businesses do customer service and open threads like these to solicit consumer feedback MLG reads these threads because its better for them to know why i dont like a certain part of what they do so they get more business im surprised that u need this to be explained to u I don’t need it explained to me, I understand. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I need it explained to me. Also, just because you don’t like something does not make it a “legitimate flaw”. Your opinion on how things should be is not “fact” And MLG read your criticism and responded. They said that they were sorry you did not agree, but that is how it makes sense for them to run their event. They are clearly reading, took what you said but did not agree with you. Saying it over and over again isn’t going to change their mind.
i didnt make a lot of my argument before MLG responded because this is a casual discussion forum and im talking off the cuff
for example the gambling laws making the entry fee completely ban out people from certain states IMO is a huge deal and wasn't mentioned
in any case i dont think MLG needs u here to tell me "if u dont like it dont buy it" LMAO
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How much does it cost to enter the qualifier? This is a free online video game. I think the young people who are playing this game enough to compete probably don't have jobs and don't need to be thinking about paying for exposure. I get what a buy in does, but it's counter productive to the ultimate goal imo.
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On September 18 2013 04:17 Gentso wrote:
How much does it cost to enter the qualifier? This is a free online video game. I think the young people who are playing this game enough to compete probably don't have jobs and don't need to be thinking about paying for exposure. I get what a buy in does, but it's counter productive to the ultimate goal imo.
$7.50 per player. That is one hour's work in minimum wage. Or mowing the lawn a few times for the grandparents.
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On September 18 2013 04:18 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 04:17 Gentso wrote:
How much does it cost to enter the qualifier? This is a free online video game. I think the young people who are playing this game enough to compete probably don't have jobs and don't need to be thinking about paying for exposure. I get what a buy in does, but it's counter productive to the ultimate goal imo. $7.50 per player. That is one hour's work in minimum wage. Or mowing the lawn a few times for the grandparents.
or moving to another state if u live in the wrong one
also u have to have access to a credit card or an online bank account, which is something of a hassle for the aspiring rtzs of the world
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On September 18 2013 04:20 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 04:18 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 04:17 Gentso wrote:
How much does it cost to enter the qualifier? This is a free online video game. I think the young people who are playing this game enough to compete probably don't have jobs and don't need to be thinking about paying for exposure. I get what a buy in does, but it's counter productive to the ultimate goal imo. $7.50 per player. That is one hour's work in minimum wage. Or mowing the lawn a few times for the grandparents. or moving to another state if u live in the wrong one also u have to have access to a credit card or an online bank account, which is something of a hassle for the aspiring rtzs of the world
Then they can take the all important step of getting a bank account or asking the parents if they can use the credit card. They will grow as people and learn how to get an paypal account all for themselves. Just like I did at age 15 when I wanted to order Neon Gensis VHS tapes off of the internet because no store carried them in my area. MLG is not only providing them with the chance to win big money in an Esports event, but also helping them grow as people. Grow as people in a harsh modern world.
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On September 18 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 04:20 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 04:18 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 04:17 Gentso wrote:
How much does it cost to enter the qualifier? This is a free online video game. I think the young people who are playing this game enough to compete probably don't have jobs and don't need to be thinking about paying for exposure. I get what a buy in does, but it's counter productive to the ultimate goal imo. $7.50 per player. That is one hour's work in minimum wage. Or mowing the lawn a few times for the grandparents. or moving to another state if u live in the wrong one also u have to have access to a credit card or an online bank account, which is something of a hassle for the aspiring rtzs of the world Then they can take the all important step of getting a bank account or asking the parents if they can use the credit card. They will grow as people and learn how to get an paypal account all for themselves. Just like I did at age 15 when I wanted to order Neon Gensis VHS tapes off of the internet because no store carried them in my area. MLG is not only providing them with the chance to win big money in an Esports event, but also helping them grow as people. Grow as people in a harsh modern world.
do they ask their parents to move to another state too
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EG gets 2 slots how unfair :o
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On September 18 2013 04:29 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 04:20 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 04:18 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 04:17 Gentso wrote:
How much does it cost to enter the qualifier? This is a free online video game. I think the young people who are playing this game enough to compete probably don't have jobs and don't need to be thinking about paying for exposure. I get what a buy in does, but it's counter productive to the ultimate goal imo. $7.50 per player. That is one hour's work in minimum wage. Or mowing the lawn a few times for the grandparents. or moving to another state if u live in the wrong one also u have to have access to a credit card or an online bank account, which is something of a hassle for the aspiring rtzs of the world Then they can take the all important step of getting a bank account or asking the parents if they can use the credit card. They will grow as people and learn how to get an paypal account all for themselves. Just like I did at age 15 when I wanted to order Neon Gensis VHS tapes off of the internet because no store carried them in my area. MLG is not only providing them with the chance to win big money in an Esports event, but also helping them grow as people. Grow as people in a harsh modern world. do they ask their parents to move to another state too
do you ask your parents to move to another country to participate?
Can you just drop this please. Not everybody can participate. Ohs Noes.
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On September 18 2013 04:29 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 04:20 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 04:18 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 04:17 Gentso wrote:
How much does it cost to enter the qualifier? This is a free online video game. I think the young people who are playing this game enough to compete probably don't have jobs and don't need to be thinking about paying for exposure. I get what a buy in does, but it's counter productive to the ultimate goal imo. $7.50 per player. That is one hour's work in minimum wage. Or mowing the lawn a few times for the grandparents. or moving to another state if u live in the wrong one also u have to have access to a credit card or an online bank account, which is something of a hassle for the aspiring rtzs of the world Then they can take the all important step of getting a bank account or asking the parents if they can use the credit card. They will grow as people and learn how to get an paypal account all for themselves. Just like I did at age 15 when I wanted to order Neon Gensis VHS tapes off of the internet because no store carried them in my area. MLG is not only providing them with the chance to win big money in an Esports event, but also helping them grow as people. Grow as people in a harsh modern world. do they ask their parents to move to another state too
Those kids learn a valuable lesson that life isn't fair and sometimes things are beyond your control. That life is hard and they should get a helmet.
On September 18 2013 04:33 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 04:29 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 04:20 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 04:18 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 04:17 Gentso wrote:
How much does it cost to enter the qualifier? This is a free online video game. I think the young people who are playing this game enough to compete probably don't have jobs and don't need to be thinking about paying for exposure. I get what a buy in does, but it's counter productive to the ultimate goal imo. $7.50 per player. That is one hour's work in minimum wage. Or mowing the lawn a few times for the grandparents. or moving to another state if u live in the wrong one also u have to have access to a credit card or an online bank account, which is something of a hassle for the aspiring rtzs of the world Then they can take the all important step of getting a bank account or asking the parents if they can use the credit card. They will grow as people and learn how to get an paypal account all for themselves. Just like I did at age 15 when I wanted to order Neon Gensis VHS tapes off of the internet because no store carried them in my area. MLG is not only providing them with the chance to win big money in an Esports event, but also helping them grow as people. Grow as people in a harsh modern world. do they ask their parents to move to another state too do you ask your parents to move to another country to participate? Can you just drop this please. Not everybody can participate. Ohs Noes.
What about the unknown Dota 2 heroes in countries with out internet? Should MLG get internet to that country to make sure that those kids can play?
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So that they can just turn their back on this scene like they did SC2? No thanks. I'll stick to DH, BtS, D2L, and any of the other leagues that haven't, you know, promised to grow a scene as they drove it into the ground.
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On September 18 2013 04:35 Mauldo wrote:
So that they can just turn their back on this scene like they did SC2? No thanks. I'll stick to DH, BtS, D2L, and any of the other leagues that haven't, you know, promised to grow a scene as they drove it into the ground.
(I have literally no idea). Was MLG one of the main reasons SC2 started losing growth?
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On September 18 2013 04:35 Mauldo wrote:
So that they can just turn their back on this scene like they did SC2? No thanks. I'll stick to DH, BtS, D2L, and any of the other leagues that haven't, you know, promised to grow a scene as they drove it into the ground.
Unknown if this is a troll or not. MLG did not turn their back on SC2, there is another event that weekend and MLG opted not to run an event that weekend to avoid conflict. There will likely be more SC2 in the future.
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On September 18 2013 04:33 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 04:29 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 04:20 Kraznaya wrote:On September 18 2013 04:18 Plansix wrote:On September 18 2013 04:17 Gentso wrote:
How much does it cost to enter the qualifier? This is a free online video game. I think the young people who are playing this game enough to compete probably don't have jobs and don't need to be thinking about paying for exposure. I get what a buy in does, but it's counter productive to the ultimate goal imo. $7.50 per player. That is one hour's work in minimum wage. Or mowing the lawn a few times for the grandparents. or moving to another state if u live in the wrong one also u have to have access to a credit card or an online bank account, which is something of a hassle for the aspiring rtzs of the world Then they can take the all important step of getting a bank account or asking the parents if they can use the credit card. They will grow as people and learn how to get an paypal account all for themselves. Just like I did at age 15 when I wanted to order Neon Gensis VHS tapes off of the internet because no store carried them in my area. MLG is not only providing them with the chance to win big money in an Esports event, but also helping them grow as people. Grow as people in a harsh modern world. do they ask their parents to move to another state too do you ask your parents to move to another country to participate? Can you just drop this please. Not everybody can participate. Ohs Noes.
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i dont see why all players in NA shouldn't be able to participate when the cost of such participation would literally be just $1-2k ($5k max, if 100 plus teams sign up) off the prize pool if MLG chose to do it that way
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