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lilopuppy
Profile Joined August 2012
Philippines542 Posts
November 11 2013 00:59 GMT
#21
And my facebook feed is all just Na`Vi fanboys saying how Alliance got lucky during TI3 and Na`Vi deserved to win it and they are the bestest team evar.



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I dislike Na`Vi fanboys, second only to SPEED fanboys.
All the way to TI322!
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
November 11 2013 01:21 GMT
#22
The winners advantage was not having to play the losers final.

They both lost one series in the knock out rounds, N'avi played a game more (punishment for losing winners final), the series Alliance lost was the BO5 grand final. Simple.

I personally prefer true double elimination but people seem to hate the idea of that in a final for some reason so here we are.
Red and yellow are all I see
sang
Profile Joined February 2011
United States251 Posts
November 11 2013 01:26 GMT
#23
Alliance played really shaky in all their losses, nothing like how they have played since 6.79 has been released. EGM had 2 absolutely dominant games on windrunner earlier in the day against dignitas so I was surprised they didn't try to get a draft for his windrunner more. Also, at times I think alliance plays too passively against navi. Against other teams you seem them setting up smoke ganks early and looking for pickoffs. Against navi in this series they seemed to try to farm their lanes too much and let navi come to them. Also really surprised they let puppy get chen for as many games as they did. That one game where they had lich+luna vs chen was just getting totally out-drafted.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 11 2013 01:34 GMT
#24
wooooo Navi!
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
November 11 2013 01:40 GMT
#25
Nice to see a close series, even though a lot of the individual games weren't that close. It's fun never really having a clear best-of-the-best between the two teams.


On November 11 2013 09:40 Snowster wrote:
Is it normal to post the result of the match as the title of the thread? I imagine a decent amount of people will watch the games later and might not want them spoiled...


Yeah, it is standard practice here. For the people who don't want things spoiled, they can check the appropriately named "Hide Spoilers" box.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
November 11 2013 02:22 GMT
#26
On November 11 2013 09:59 lilopuppy wrote:
And my facebook feed is all just Na`Vi fanboys saying how Alliance got lucky during TI3 and Na`Vi deserved to win it and they are the bestest team evar.



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I dislike Na`Vi fanboys, second only to SPEED fanboys.

Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
November 11 2013 02:47 GMT
#27
Is there youtube vods available for the games already?
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 02:57:58
November 11 2013 02:57 GMT
#28
On November 11 2013 11:47 Azurues wrote:
Is there youtube vods available for the games already?


Can be found here:
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On November 11 2013 11:35 LDdota wrote:
For those who are interested, here are the VOD links:

Game 1 -

Game 2 -

Game 3 -

Game 4 -

Game 5 -

Postgame -

WriterXiao8~~
Saraf
Profile Joined April 2011
United States160 Posts
November 11 2013 04:02 GMT
#29
On November 11 2013 09:30 Stancel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2013 08:52 lilopuppy wrote:
Alliance keeps cutting it short at Grand Finals this season.
DK vs Alliance is gonna get less exciting. If Alliance wins, it's "lol DK disband, Mushi go back to SEA". If DK wins, it's Alliance just being a 2nd placer team.


Kongliance?

that was bad, I'll show myself out


At least Alliance has a championship in Dota 2, unlike jaekong and Starcraft 2.
"Alas, poor MKP. I knew him, Zenio."
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
November 11 2013 04:05 GMT
#30
On November 11 2013 13:02 Saraf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2013 09:30 Stancel wrote:
On November 11 2013 08:52 lilopuppy wrote:
Alliance keeps cutting it short at Grand Finals this season.
DK vs Alliance is gonna get less exciting. If Alliance wins, it's "lol DK disband, Mushi go back to SEA". If DK wins, it's Alliance just being a 2nd placer team.


Kongliance?

that was bad, I'll show myself out


At least Alliance has a championship in Dota 2, unlike jaekong and Starcraft 2.
A championship, or 10 to be more accurate (not counting online cups).
Once you Goblak...
imperfek
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia160 Posts
November 11 2013 04:26 GMT
#31
On November 11 2013 08:55 Weasel- wrote:
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On November 11 2013 08:49 nimdil wrote:
I don't get this creepy Dota2 format for double elimination. Alliance went 4-3 against Na'Vi and yet are second.

I know right like where's the extended series rule


i really hope they fixed this in future dota2 tournaments

especially at mega tournaments like TI

UNBOWED, UNBENT, UNBROKEN
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
November 11 2013 05:27 GMT
#32
the team in the losers bracket has to play more games so that is punishment enough imo
High Risk Low Reward
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4163 Posts
November 11 2013 06:05 GMT
#33
This is debated so much, It's like the biggest problem with having a loser's bracket, finding a fair winner's bracket advantage.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
SibChil
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden502 Posts
November 11 2013 06:09 GMT
#34
My favourites keep losing finals
Favourite players: Jaedong, DRG, Coca, Snute, Grubby, Keen, Baby | GoGo [A]lliance
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
November 11 2013 06:10 GMT
#35
Alliance still hasn't quite figured out how to play the new patch I think! Not as well as they used to at least. Na'Vi on the other hand understands the patch much more I feel! Things will probably change over the course of the year as Alliance figures out what kind of playstyle they wanna go for in the new metagame.
@Munck
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 06:19:27
November 11 2013 06:18 GMT
#36
On November 11 2013 15:10 mnck wrote:
Alliance still hasn't quite figured out how to play the new patch I think! Not as well as they used to at least. Na'Vi on the other hand understands the patch much more I feel! Things will probably change over the course of the year as Alliance figures out what kind of playstyle they wanna go for in the new metagame.


Actually, XBOCT was running around like a chicken with its head cut off on Pugna until the finals came up.

They did a whole bunch of random shit through D2L, D2CL, etc., to be perfectly honest. It's just that they managed to find out that most of the good heroes are still good and Kuro Shadow Shaman likes to zap/shackle people from max range for ez kills, as well as Xboct Medusa ult being pretty good. Nothing special. Alliance was fucking great before this series...everything pretty much was dependent on how comfortable the players felt on their heroes within the drafts I think.
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
V1ctor
Profile Joined March 2011
Moldova1645 Posts
November 11 2013 07:16 GMT
#37
On November 11 2013 15:10 mnck wrote:
Alliance still hasn't quite figured out how to play the new patch I think! Not as well as they used to at least. Na'Vi on the other hand understands the patch much more I feel! Things will probably change over the course of the year as Alliance figures out what kind of playstyle they wanna go for in the new metagame.



And then a new patch comes out...
k0pf
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany180 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 07:23:03
November 11 2013 07:21 GMT
#38
On November 11 2013 10:21 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
The winners advantage was not having to play the losers final.

They both lost one series in the knock out rounds, N'avi played a game more (punishment for losing winners final), the series Alliance lost was the BO5 grand final. Simple.

I personally prefer true double elimination but people seem to hate the idea of that in a final for some reason so here we are.


Its a bit funny how phrasing changes some things. I would say Na'vi had the chance of getting into the finals due to an extra game. It wasnt a punishment at all. After all they LOST to A, didnt they?

And saying they both lost one game so its equal is kinda funny,too. Coz one is first and the other one is second ;-)

Dont get me wrong. I dont like extended series but a winners advantage should exsist in an dubble elimination system.
lacho_u
Profile Joined April 2009
Bulgaria535 Posts
November 11 2013 07:33 GMT
#39
this time na'vi..i'm a na'vi fanboy too and imo na'vi and alliance are at the same lvl just mistakes are deciding all the clashes tiny tiny mistakes.
Power is nothing without control
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
November 11 2013 08:21 GMT
#40
On November 11 2013 14:27 Spicy_Curry wrote:
the team in the losers bracket has to play more games so that is punishment enough imo

No it's not. The idea for Doble elimination bracket is that you can loose a match and still win a tournament. But in this bizarre scenario the only team that is denied this privilege is winners bracket winner. That's hardly fair.

On paper It almost looks like navi is losing this upper bracket finals on purpose to check how alliance is currently playing and prepare for the final.
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