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Na`Vi Wins WePlay Season 2 over Alliance - Page 3
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Incze
Romania2058 Posts
Congrats to Na'Vi! | ||
nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
We wouldn't lose in quality as teams would be aware that they are one game (or one bo3) away from elimination and would give everything. Teams like Na'Vi would maybe start playing seriously and we wouldn't have stupid WB Finals. Making the games BO3 from the first elimination round would make it fairer as it wouldn't be too random and teams would actually have 2 chances (they would need to drop 2 games to be out). | ||
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busbarn
Sweden984 Posts
They're always exciting games, and it'll be good to see them this evening aswell. | ||
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Dubag
Australia82 Posts
On November 11 2013 09:40 Snowster wrote: Is it normal to post the result of the match as the title of the thread? I imagine a decent amount of people will watch the games later and might not want them spoiled... On the front page there is a check box underneath the centre news graphics: Hide Spoilers, just check that. Loved a few of those Veno ward placements throughout the series.  | ||
TheEmulator
28089 Posts
On November 11 2013 18:12 Dubag wrote: On the front page there is a check box underneath the centre news graphics: Hide Spoilers, just check that. Loved a few of those Veno ward placements throughout the series. I think we need to make the hide spoilers thing more noticeable. Seems like there are always one or two people who read these threads not realizing it even exists. | ||
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Paluth
Brazil61 Posts
What I find most interesting is that neither teams are complete. By that I means boths teams have complementary strengths and weaknesses. If one of the teams could learn a bit from the other, they would become the better of the two. Alliance - 1) Has a clear game plan and strategy; 2) selfless player = players will do whatever if takes to execute the plan even if it means throwing thenselves to the wolfs. Na'Vi - 1) Thrives in chaos, they don't have as clear of a plan as [A] does, they mostly do it on the fly and focus on killing heros instead of taking objectives. 2) They rely on individual plays to acomplish number 1, not carefully planned strategies. Thats a general ideia that I have about the teams. Of course NaVi has some level of strategy and plans and [A] can acomplish wonders in terms of individual play, but those points listed above are what they are best at. If NaVi could be a bit less gridy and stick to the course or if [A] could improvise more when their plan wasn't working all that well they would become the best. In the end, maybe its impossible to do both things at the same time. Becouse it you rely on individual play to win, you are not relying on a plan and vice-versa. But maybe NaVi could play like - try to execute a plan, if that fails fallback to chaos dota that they are good at. As for [A], execute their plan, but give a little more freedon for player to do their own thing instead of always following the path thats been laid before them. | ||
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
3 Things i notied though. - Venomancer in lane is extremely strong. Near the level of imba, that strong. - Radiant hard lane is imba, icefrog should fix something with the pulling and stuff with that lane, it's pretty easy to leech exp with the new changes from that lane as radiant. - [A] and Na'Vi are are way better teams than others skillwise, there is like a gap between them and others. The thing is Na'Vi sometimes go lazy and don't play their %100 and lose games while [A] is more consistent in their plays but when they both play their heart out you never know what's gonna come out. Congratz to Na'Vi, really deserved win and nice games. | ||
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Dubag
Australia82 Posts
On November 11 2013 18:19 TheEmulator wrote: I think we need to make the hide spoilers thing more noticeable. Seems like there are always one or two people who read these threads not realizing it even exists. I agree. When I was trying to relocate it before I posted the solution it took me awhile. It's not in the filter button in the header, it's not in your account settings. It could also be placed in the header menu bar after the TL+ option. Or underneath your personal login name at the top left. | ||
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
On November 11 2013 18:54 tadL wrote: Why did EG.swe loose? well NaVi never gave Furion/Chen to EG.swe. And thats why EG.swe was not able to play their boring for me, but well executed syndrom as style of game. Once other teams understand what they have to ban against them they will keep on with loosing. They are great players but have the same problem as Lodas Team under SK in dota1. They are not able to adept more than one playstyle. Hope they work on it and start playing entertaining dota or it will stay the same. Even if they win TI the opponent team will get more cheering. Just to note the series ended 3-2 with stomps from both sides. | ||
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ReignSupreme.
Australia4123 Posts
On November 11 2013 18:54 tadL wrote: Why did EG.swe loose? well NaVi never gave Furion/Chen to EG.swe... Alliance got Chen in G1 (which they did win admittedly, but more off the back off Navi laning/drafting poorly imo). How does it feel knowing you went out of your way to write "EG.swe" each time? I can't comprehend it. | ||
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
PS: I do not dislike Loda, I enjoyed him back in SK days too. Its just that his teams always work out one style to a great level but once it get figured out and their personal skill stopps carrying them the team falls apart. | ||
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Rampager
Australia1007 Posts
I really liked Navi's itemisation in that final game, it seemed like no matter how much Alliance threw at Navi it kinda just bounced off. Interesting games on both sides, they weren't as gripping as other meetups between the two teams but exciting nevertheless. | ||
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On November 11 2013 09:15 RisingTide wrote: Blarg, avoiding spoilers so I can watch the VODs, and bam there it is on the left  Edit: That said, which of the games were worth watching? The risk of getting spoiled can be minimized greatly if you would not have visited TL to begin with, you kinda did this one to yourself  | ||
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
Though can't stress enough how stupid that sounds, it still has to have some truth in there.. [A] tends to play a bit predictable, therefore Na'Vi can prepare some surprise (given that they've practised it) at the last moment.. Therefore I agree - either the grand-finals should be an extended series (not BO7, but BO9), or maybe the MLG format (which I dislike TBH, but examples like this tend to show the need of sth like it) in which the loser has to win 2 series (in this case BO5) to win the whole thing and the winner has to win a single series (of BO5) Thinking of which - tend to think that the extended BO9 is/was the best call IMO | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On November 11 2013 21:18 VArsovskiSC wrote: I think I read somewhere that Na'Vi lost the winner's finals to see how [A] plays, and then prepare for them in the grand finals a week later.. I really wish people would stop making stupid excuses for why a team lost or won. Na'vi lost one series during the play-offs, Alliance lost one series during the play-offs. Na'vi had to play one more series than alliance and thus already had a tougher road to the finals than alliance did. We do NOT need extended series and BO7/9 sounds absolutely idiotic in a game where the average match takes around 35-40 minutes not even accounting for drafting and hosting the game. | ||
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NapkinBox
United States314 Posts
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BillGates
471 Posts
On November 11 2013 17:47 WillyWanker wrote: Or forget about the double elimination format... There's already the group stage as a 'first chance'... We wouldn't lose in quality as teams would be aware that they are one game (or one bo3) away from elimination and would give everything. Teams like Na'Vi would maybe start playing seriously and we wouldn't have stupid WB Finals. Making the games BO3 from the first elimination round would make it fairer as it wouldn't be too random and teams would actually have 2 chances (they would need to drop 2 games to be out). Guys its more games, its more awesomeness, it gives the organizers and advertisers more exposure. If it were only winner bracket the tournament runs shorter. I wouldn't say this is the best, but its how it is and it isn't necessarily bad or unfair. | ||
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yeeshdontjudgeme
146 Posts
If the tournament was played normally, there would've been a second series or Alliance would have at least had a 1-0 advantage leading into the Bo5. | ||
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