It seems Blitz's Korea adventure is not yet over, and he has formed a new team along with friends new and old (actually I think they're all old but the phrasing is much more grand this way).
We decided to move to Korea to form a new team with Blitz, and play in the Korean Dota 2 scene. We play the qualifiers for NSL Season 3 tomorrow. We'll be in Korea for a few months, so be sure to tune in to our adventure with us.
If I was on that "outer edge" of semi-pro players like Eosin and Bamboe, this is a no brainer.. Korea is going to explode with dota soon, and honestly the competition is a tier below so these guys have a very good chance at placing high in tournaments.. Solid idea, hope it works for them.
somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
In a way I agree with you; its kinda like SC2 Koreans coming to WCS Europe and WCS America, making foreigners unable to compete.. but at the same time, in Dota, I think the koreans need this extra motivation to get them improving faster. Right now, theres not really much competition at all in Korea, as seen by DeMoN just wrecking teams by himself. Teams will have to step it up now if they want to beat Blitz and co.
Good luck guys, and it is indeed a bit weird that they let foreign amateur teams in their league that was meant to promote Korean DotA or something.
However having people like Demon and Purge there does bring in a lot more foreign attention and makes the league far more interesting for just about everyone.
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
Koreans do it to americans in SC2, so its ok if Americans do it to koreans in dota 2
Good luck guys, and I'll be glad to help out in translating whenever you'd like to communicate with the Korean fans. I myself am an avid fan of the Dota Scene as well as Purge/Blitz streaming, and would love to spread the good news with the Korean Dota 2 community
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
Koreans do it to americans in SC2, so its ok if Americans do it to koreans in dota 2
but american tournaments don't award sponsorships, just prize money. that's a small, but important difference.
On January 03 2014 17:21 dfs wrote: The best Korean player, Demon, got this anyway.
Demon isn't staying though is he?
Anyway. Although I found this news incredibly surprising, I don't really have anything against it. This is an amateur team (as in the only one with significant experience on pro teams is Bamboe), I think they will still have problems against some Korean teams. And that will help improve the Korean teams as well.
I think if it was an established western team it would feel a bit like them taking advantage of the situation. But this situation is quite different, Blitz was going there as a Korean to play full-time and got a bit screwed by the team he ended up in, and then the others joined. And I suppose the argument could always be made that this happens the other way around with Koreans all the time.
I'm disappointed the team isn't called Purgegamers though.
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
Koreans do it to americans in SC2, so its ok if Americans do it to koreans in dota 2
but american tournaments don't award sponsorships, just prize money. that's a small, but important difference.
It's the same thing as achievements can lead to better marketable players and thus higher potential for interested companies - thus sponsorships.
On January 03 2014 17:21 dfs wrote: The best Korean player, Demon, got this anyway.
Demon isn't staying though is he?
I think following twitter DeMoN is back in the U.S But he wouldn't be able to compete anyway this Season.
Well everyone is always talking about NSL. But don't forget what Nexon has promised are tournaments above NSL. The NSL is just there to get some teams before the real tournaments.
I wish Blitz and co good luck, while I am not a huge fan of NSL allowing this to happen(as it should be for local teams) I still hope Blitz will win it all.
love these videos. it's really a shame what happened to fOu after febby left, and what happened to blitz. but this truly demonstrates the passion and bonds players have/created over a video game; a passion! :D good luck to team zypher and hopefully they get picked up by kespa or ief team to bloom the korean dota2 scene!
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
Koreans do it to americans in SC2, so its ok if Americans do it to koreans in dota 2
but american tournaments don't award sponsorships, just prize money. that's a small, but important difference.
It's the same thing as achievements can lead to better marketable players and thus higher potential for interested companies - thus sponsorships.
We plan on staying for a while actually. most people think were int it just to win NSL and jet, but we think itll be fun. when the idea was presented, we honestly looked at it as friends coming to play / hang out. we spend msot of our time playing dota, why not do it together. most of the korean teams ive talked to are happy to have us i think due to the influx of interest itll bring.
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
but honestly I really hope they don't participate in Nexon Starleague*.
Edit: Sponsorship league, in other Korean tournaments I'd be really keen to watch though. Just it seems that the Sponsorship league should be funding Korean teams.
Why does the Koreans even let this team play in their tournament? This is just downright insulting.
At least with Blitz's first korean team, you could make the case for him wanting to try his hand at going pro in a budding scene. This team on the other hand is nothing more than a pub stack money grab.
If this team loses, then they will disband and show to the world that they can't even compete with the Koreans. If they win, they wouldn't stay at the top of the scene for long, given the quality of the players on the team, and this is considering the Korean scene in isolation.
On January 03 2014 19:26 cecek wrote: That's so cool. :D Is this the first time a caster transitioned into a pro player? I haven't seen it happen, yet.
Are you talking about Purge or Blitz? They both qualify, Blitz did a ton of casting with Madmortigan back in the good old days. Man that guy was crazy. Miss his casts. Don't miss wrestling with bullshit like WAAAAGHTV though.
On January 03 2014 20:12 Vadrigar wrote: Good luck, guys! Don't worry about the results and they'll surely come. Team friendship fightiiiiing! :D
edit: holy shit, the house is huge! 5 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms in Seoul?! What's Blitz's mom doing for a living?
I don't think the apartment is in Seoul. Probably like an hour (via metro) from downtown Seoul. It's still a damn nice pad though! Well, minus the not-so-private privacy doors lol.
I believe there is about 3 pure korean teams that is already better then this bunch, I fail to see any amount of cash being won by team Zephy. Id love to be proven wrong, just dont see it.
On January 03 2014 17:15 Vaelone wrote: Good luck guys, and it is indeed a bit weird that they let foreign amateur teams in their league that was meant to promote Korean DotA or something.
However having people like Demon and Purge there does bring in a lot more foreign attention and makes the league far more interesting for just about everyone.
Is this Corey guy any good, total unknown to me?
corey was carry for stayfree in the MLG qualifiers
On January 04 2014 00:06 bokchoi wrote: holy shit how are you guys affording this place. if its actually in seoul that place has to cost a fortune O_O. is it the old fxo/fou house?
They're renting it from Blitz's relatives, I doubt they're paying a regular price.
On January 03 2014 19:31 jimmydu444 wrote: Why does the Koreans even let this team play in their tournament? This is just downright insulting.
At least with Blitz's first korean team, you could make the case for him wanting to try his hand at going pro in a budding scene. This team on the other hand is nothing more than a pub stack money grab.
If this team loses, then they will disband and show to the world that they can't even compete with the Koreans. If they win, they wouldn't stay at the top of the scene for long, given the quality of the players on the team, and this is considering the Korean scene in isolation.
Because people like Blitz and SexyBamboe are popular and bring in viewers ?
Well at least this team is not that stacked. Only bamboe has real competitive experience (and he is bad), so they are somewhat amateurish still. It brings something fresh to the Korean scene, and I hope the Koreans benefit from it.
If Pajkatt and Misery were to make a team to go to Korea, or if Black brings his own stack there, then I think it's very insulting. Still, I question the decisions of foreigners going to Korea. It feels as though they just want short term success, and be the big fish in a pond. I think that attitude is disgusting for a professional.
On January 04 2014 00:52 DucK- wrote: Well at least this team is not that stacked. Only bamboe has real competitive experience (and he is bad), so they are somewhat amateurish still. It brings something fresh to the Korean scene, and I hope the Koreans benefit from it.
If Pajkatt and Misery were to make a team to go to Korea, or if Black brings his own stack there, then I think it's very insulting. Still, I question the decisions of foreigners going to Korea. It feels as though they just want short term success, and be the big fish in a pond. I think that attitude is disgusting for a professional.
Personally, I don't think this team will do well.
As much as I became a fanboy of this team over the past few hours, it's hard to disagree that they might perform way below expectations (which are artificially heightened already). There will be a shitload of haters around after their first slips, no doubt about that. What I am hoping for though is that they will stick around for a long time as together I find them potent to solid improvement.
I think this is the best decision these guys could make. Not just the easy money but the people who win korean tournaments are being invited to the big tourneys as well. Sure, they'll get rofl stomped by any other pro team, but they still get to attend. But if Korea is taking Dota seriously I don't see the free money lasting for too long.
On January 04 2014 00:09 hmsrenown wrote: What happens to black? I mean there is a prime opportunity to have him headline another team with the apparent demise of LGD.int.
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
I could also say that because purge, blitz and bamboo etc are in the nsl they will sell alot more as a league, therefore boosting prizemoney and attention to create a good scene there.
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
I could also say that because purge, blitz and bamboo etc are in the nsl they will sell alot more as a league, therefore boosting prizemoney and attention to create a good scene there.
The NSL only exists to promote Dota in Korea. I don't know how much Koreans care about seeing Purge play.
I'm not saying I have a problem with them playing the tournament, but I think this line of thinking is sort of pointless to justify it. Ultimately the tournament is open to anyone, you have to live in Korea to play in all the matches, that's the restriction.
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
That's exactly how I see it. Really disappointed in this team. But I guess since you aren't good enough for the other scenes, it makes sense.
I think it might be interesting for an esports fan that a caster/youtuber is coming to Korea to play competitively. It would be mildly interesting to me if a LoL caster did it. If I somehow found out about it...
I also hope Purge will maybe blog about their progress. I don't follow his channel, but I'd watch that.
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
You mean like the way Koreans merc the starcraft 2 scene? Fly in, raid prize money and leave. Turnabout is fair play.
Somewhat worried that this is going to blow up into a hate-fest if they under perform, but i'm happy for the boys. Go out and compete wherever you can, dont blame them for capitalizing on an opportunity. I would do the same in a friggin heartbeat.
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
You mean like the way Koreans merc the starcraft 2 scene? Fly in, raid prize money and leave. Turnabout is fair play.
This isn't anything of the sort anyway. This is pretty much an amateur team flying in to compete without being an overwhelming favorite to win the whole thing.
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
You mean like the way Koreans merc the starcraft 2 scene? Fly in, raid prize money and leave. Turnabout is fair play.
This isn't anything of the sort anyway. This is pretty much an amateur team flying in to compete without being an overwhelming favorite to win the whole thing.
how is this isnt the same...dont b team koreans play in WCS na/eu cuz they know they cant make it to finals in KR...
given that any random 5 top players from europe or china should be able to beat most koreans teams at this moment I think they could have a chance. depends on the rate of improvement koreans will show though but seriously korean dota is so sad currently
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
You mean like the way Koreans merc the starcraft 2 scene? Fly in, raid prize money and leave. Turnabout is fair play.
This isn't anything of the sort anyway. This is pretty much an amateur team flying in to compete without being an overwhelming favorite to win the whole thing.
how is this isnt the same...dont b team koreans play in WCS na/eu cuz they know they cant make it to finals in KR...
Most of the Koreans competing in WCS NA/EU are not B teamers at all. They are top tier players that have proven many times that they could compete with the WCS Korea crowd, but don't because it's easier to take money in the west so why bother.
Meanwhile, Zephyr is made out of amateur players, isn't likely at all to be dominant in Korea, and they aren't certain to earn a lot of prize money either (depending on how it's distributed I guess). They could conceivably be competitive enough to give the Korean teams a run for their money and play the "gatekeeper" role of sorts for the lesser teams.
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
Koreans do it to americans in SC2, so its ok if Americans do it to koreans in dota 2
but american tournaments don't award sponsorships, just prize money. that's a small, but important difference.
i think thats also an important difference in them staying in korea if they do win....ie korean sponsors will require you to be in korea, or that seems like a safe assumption
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
You mean like the way Koreans merc the starcraft 2 scene? Fly in, raid prize money and leave. Turnabout is fair play.
Haha u dont know koreans. Koreans only admire skill nothing else. A few foreigners during the early years of BW turned pro in korea for many years. iirc one of them even won the osl and made it to finals a few times. If ur good enough, ur more than welcome in korea.
Would love for this team to do well and last long. Nexon pledge 1.7m USD annually for prize money. After the 3 NSL theres easily more than 1million left still over the course of half year. More than sufficient tournaments to keep this team going even if they dont win the next NSL.
New blood is always good. And if you think this is bad for the korean scene you are wrong, playing a western team will give them knowledge and experience against creative strategies. Also it'll motivate them to beat the foreigners. Hope they do well.
Congrats blitz on qualifying... I myself am a korean american trying my hand at pro doto... the only difference between me and you is that I have been here for 3 years+ working hard at it. I do however look forward to playing against your team during nsl3 as I do enjoy a challenge
I do firmly believe however that the most rewarding part of a journey is not the destination but the road taken there. Gl hf.
On January 05 2014 01:37 ReM1kZ wrote: Congrats blitz on qualifying... I myself am a korean american trying my hand at pro doto... the only difference between me and you is that I have been here for 3 years+ working hard at it. I do however look forward to playing against your team during nsl3 as I do enjoy a challenge
I do firmly believe however that the most rewarding part of a journey is not the destination but the road taken there. Gl hf.
On January 05 2014 01:37 ReM1kZ wrote: Congrats blitz on qualifying... I myself am a korean american trying my hand at pro doto... the only difference between me and you is that I have been here for 3 years+ working hard at it. I do however look forward to playing against your team during nsl3 as I do enjoy a challenge
I do firmly believe however that the most rewarding part of a journey is not the destination but the road taken there. Gl hf.
What team are you on?
Team name as of now is : Dont Die ReM1kZ.... sort of an inside joke. we also went 3-1 today and qualified for the round of 8. Zephyrs first match was against my team and we qualified through the losers bracket. 9 teams total. 5 teams qualified...
I apologize... it is my first time posting on tl and I accidently pressed the post button with the enter key. I was also trying to just address some of the unanswered questions asked from previous posts as the korean scene is somewhat isolated. My fat thumbs and this smartphone are not a good combo I will keep in mind that I may edit my posts. In korea our forums and what not are closed off to foreigners as u need to register with a resident id number.... the equivalent of a ss number back stateside.
There's like no updates on any Korean websites about the qualifiers it seems even still, neither is the NSL website getting updated as fast as I would like to, so updates are really nice! Thanks rem1kz.
We did scrim against zephyr when they arrived and i pubstomped a bit with bamboe. I will see what I can do about getting a replay up. Its 420am here so when I wake up and go to the internet cafe tomorrow I will try to make that happen. Also I believe ixdl / kel has been set up and will start or has already started some inhouses. Blitz also plays in that as I saw him logged in on the ixdl client
When does the next NSL season start anyway? I tried to check the official site but it's one of those lovely Korean sites where all the text is in images.
On January 05 2014 05:00 teapoted wrote: When does the next NSL season start anyway? I tried to check the official site but it's one of those lovely Korean sites where all the text is in images.
Technically already started with the qualifiers but
On January 05 2014 01:47 ReM1kZ wrote: Brackets will be announced on monday and I will try to keep you guys up to date from my smartphone
Cool. Now I have a DoTA team to watch :D Really appreciated Purge's videos as a newb and the whole story of 5 western friends kinda having a go appeals to my SC heart.
On January 03 2014 16:59 SnowfaLL wrote: If I was on that "outer edge" of semi-pro players like Eosin and Bamboe, this is a no brainer.. Korea is going to explode with dota soon, and honestly the competition is a tier below so these guys have a very good chance at placing high in tournaments.. Solid idea, hope it works for them.
people keep saying this, but i have yet to see much in the way stats about 'korean scene exploding' anyone have anything to back these claims?
On January 03 2014 16:59 SnowfaLL wrote: If I was on that "outer edge" of semi-pro players like Eosin and Bamboe, this is a no brainer.. Korea is going to explode with dota soon, and honestly the competition is a tier below so these guys have a very good chance at placing high in tournaments.. Solid idea, hope it works for them.
people keep saying this, but i have yet to see much in the way stats about 'korean scene exploding' anyone have anything to back these claims that i keep hearing up?
Well as we've seen in this thread, many NA/Europe players are jumping at a chance to play in Korea, even joining korean teams (cArn, DeMoN, Blitz, Purge, Eosin, etc) and if you follow the SC2 scene at all, some of the big korean casters are making the transition to dota casting (Whiplash) and even Tasteless is learning Dota this week.. Makes you wonder why he'd take the time to learn Dota... Maybe a job??
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
You mean like the way Koreans merc the starcraft 2 scene? Fly in, raid prize money and leave. Turnabout is fair play.
they aren't playing for prize money, they are playing for a sponsorship. that's incredibly different.
furthermore, the point of NSL specifically is to develop korean dota, and zephyr isn't exactly korean dota. they are staying for some months after, but it's not quite the same.
On January 03 2014 16:59 SnowfaLL wrote: If I was on that "outer edge" of semi-pro players like Eosin and Bamboe, this is a no brainer.. Korea is going to explode with dota soon, and honestly the competition is a tier below so these guys have a very good chance at placing high in tournaments.. Solid idea, hope it works for them.
people keep saying this, but i have yet to see much in the way stats about 'korean scene exploding' anyone have anything to back these claims that i keep hearing up?
Well as we've seen in this thread, many NA/Europe players are jumping at a chance to play in Korea, even joining korean teams (cArn, DeMoN, Blitz, Purge, Eosin, etc) and if you follow the SC2 scene at all, some of the big korean casters are making the transition to dota casting (Whiplash) and even Tasteless is learning Dota this week.. Makes you wonder why he'd take the time to learn Dota... Maybe a job??
That is not stats however and a lot of that can be attributed to Sc2 issues rather than dota 'exploding' its more the secondary choice for people who want to keep the same line of work.
On January 03 2014 16:59 SnowfaLL wrote: If I was on that "outer edge" of semi-pro players like Eosin and Bamboe, this is a no brainer.. Korea is going to explode with dota soon, and honestly the competition is a tier below so these guys have a very good chance at placing high in tournaments.. Solid idea, hope it works for them.
people keep saying this, but i have yet to see much in the way stats about 'korean scene exploding' anyone have anything to back these claims that i keep hearing up?
Well as we've seen in this thread, many NA/Europe players are jumping at a chance to play in Korea, even joining korean teams (cArn, DeMoN, Blitz, Purge, Eosin, etc) and if you follow the SC2 scene at all, some of the big korean casters are making the transition to dota casting (Whiplash) and even Tasteless is learning Dota this week.. Makes you wonder why he'd take the time to learn Dota... Maybe a job??
whiplash didn't manage to get a sc2 casting gig, and tasteless has never been big on streaming/playing sc2. he's been playing other random games too, doesn't mean he'll be casting. i wouldn't look into this at all really.
On January 05 2014 04:08 Verror wrote: Was interesting to read, but google translate is really bad with that interview.
Q. According to existing experience do you have to breathe?
lolololol yeah cause the word breath could be used as meaning to coordinate (match each other's breath). Basically asking if they have experience playing together as a team.
On January 03 2014 17:06 opterown wrote: somehow i feel this is a bit against the spirit of the NSL - to provide korean teams with sponsorships if/when they win to establish a healthy dota scene. i wonder if blitz and co intend to stay in korea to make use of it after, or if they'll jet home with extra cash that a korean team could otherwise use?
You mean like the way Koreans merc the starcraft 2 scene? Fly in, raid prize money and leave. Turnabout is fair play.
The point is that alot of non koreans payed for the prizepool in the gsl back then and maybe still, because they wanted to see naniwa, idra and stephano play. Thats were it started. To me it seems logical the organisation behind nsl will have a similar approach, because in there and most viewers eyes, the higher the prizepool, the bigger the tournament, the more subscribers and sponsors, more money for everybody. If the nsl cant match the prizepools (donkeys sold) of starladder and mlg, it will be hard to build there dotabrand. Next to the fact the have crosscoputition of lol and other games. Money attracks the best of the best, we all know that and we all want to see them play.
On January 03 2014 16:59 SnowfaLL wrote: If I was on that "outer edge" of semi-pro players like Eosin and Bamboe, this is a no brainer.. Korea is going to explode with dota soon, and honestly the competition is a tier below so these guys have a very good chance at placing high in tournaments.. Solid idea, hope it works for them.
people keep saying this, but i have yet to see much in the way stats about 'korean scene exploding' anyone have anything to back these claims that i keep hearing up?
Well as we've seen in this thread, many NA/Europe players are jumping at a chance to play in Korea, even joining korean teams (cArn, DeMoN, Blitz, Purge, Eosin, etc) and if you follow the SC2 scene at all, some of the big korean casters are making the transition to dota casting (Whiplash) and even Tasteless is learning Dota this week.. Makes you wonder why he'd take the time to learn Dota... Maybe a job??
That is not stats however and a lot of that can be attributed to Sc2 issues rather than dota 'exploding' its more the secondary choice for people who want to keep the same line of work.
Is there stats to prove that europe dota is doing good?? How about american dota?
Ok, you've convinced me. Korean dota is pointless, mise well tell Blitz and his boys to pack his bags and come home, because korean dota is a waste of time (despite all that money/sponserships on the line with sub-par teams).
On January 03 2014 16:59 SnowfaLL wrote: If I was on that "outer edge" of semi-pro players like Eosin and Bamboe, this is a no brainer.. Korea is going to explode with dota soon, and honestly the competition is a tier below so these guys have a very good chance at placing high in tournaments.. Solid idea, hope it works for them.
people keep saying this, but i have yet to see much in the way stats about 'korean scene exploding' anyone have anything to back these claims that i keep hearing up?
Well as we've seen in this thread, many NA/Europe players are jumping at a chance to play in Korea, even joining korean teams (cArn, DeMoN, Blitz, Purge, Eosin, etc) and if you follow the SC2 scene at all, some of the big korean casters are making the transition to dota casting (Whiplash) and even Tasteless is learning Dota this week.. Makes you wonder why he'd take the time to learn Dota... Maybe a job??
That is not stats however and a lot of that can be attributed to Sc2 issues rather than dota 'exploding' its more the secondary choice for people who want to keep the same line of work.
Is there stats to prove that europe dota is doing good?? How about american dota?
Ok, you've convinced me. Korean dota is pointless, mise well tell Blitz and his boys to pack his bags and come home, because korean dota is a waste of time (despite all that money/sponserships on the line with sub-par teams).
JEEZ.. LOL you realize i just was asking for the stats, no need for you to go off on me, i never even implied that korean dota was pointless.. i support korean dota (through buying their in game tickets) just like i do all the other scenes and enjoy it. relax. I wasn't trying to say it isnt growing, or anything elsewise.. i just prefer to see stats rather than a bunch of hear say.. but damn i guess i'm the bad guy?
edit: also american dota is pointless, theres literally one team i even care about (TL, which is multi-national anyways)
On January 03 2014 16:59 SnowfaLL wrote: If I was on that "outer edge" of semi-pro players like Eosin and Bamboe, this is a no brainer.. Korea is going to explode with dota soon, and honestly the competition is a tier below so these guys have a very good chance at placing high in tournaments.. Solid idea, hope it works for them.
people keep saying this, but i have yet to see much in the way stats about 'korean scene exploding' anyone have anything to back these claims that i keep hearing up?
Well as we've seen in this thread, many NA/Europe players are jumping at a chance to play in Korea, even joining korean teams (cArn, DeMoN, Blitz, Purge, Eosin, etc) and if you follow the SC2 scene at all, some of the big korean casters are making the transition to dota casting (Whiplash) and even Tasteless is learning Dota this week.. Makes you wonder why he'd take the time to learn Dota... Maybe a job??
That is not stats however and a lot of that can be attributed to Sc2 issues rather than dota 'exploding' its more the secondary choice for people who want to keep the same line of work.
Is there stats to prove that europe dota is doing good?? How about american dota?
Ok, you've convinced me. Korean dota is pointless, mise well tell Blitz and his boys to pack his bags and come home, because korean dota is a waste of time (despite all that money/sponserships on the line with sub-par teams).
The problem with korean dota is the skill level of the players.. there are many casual and first time aos players. Steam is not mainstream here and nexon has their own standalone client. Most of the good players are stacked onto the few sponsored teams here so it is hard to even gather a formidable team that can be competitive. There are many unknown and underground players who are good but they dont compete. The nsl is the first real tournament here. The qualifiers were cake... 9 teams and 5 qualified. I believe with the format as long as u didnt go 0-2 in the round robin u qualified.
Hey ReM1kZ I was curious if you know when the brackets for this season will go live on the NSL website? I know where to find them but clicking the link just gives me a pop-up stating they'll be up at a later date.
Or alternatively do you know the 8 teams who will be competing this season?
I understand its Team Zephyr, DDR, Team Angry Bird, All.In.Uz but not sure of the other 4 teams.
the brackets will be announced tomorrow, as soon as i recieve the email from GomTV and Nexon i will make a post here.
From what i know... i believe the 8 teams will be the 3 runner ups from Season 2 + the 5 out of 9 teams that qualified yesterday, which should be 5inQ, MVP Hot6, and EoT Hammer.
The 5 teams that qualified are : zephyr(Group A 2-0), All.in.uz(Group B 2-0), Angry Bird(Group C 2-0), Dont Die ReM1kZ(Losers Bracket 2-0), and EoT drill.
Also, the rumor mill in korea has been saying that MVP Hot6 will be using Black^ as their ringer for this season to help them win. Not 100% confirmed but that is just what is going around.
yeah mouz.black is apparently playing for hot6. solara is already in the team too. strong favourites to win especially since 5inq lost 2 of their players.
On January 05 2014 23:37 evilfatsh1t wrote: yeah mouz.black is apparently playing for hot6. solara is already in the team too. strong favourites to win especially since 5inq lost 2 of their players.
ex-lgd.int black^ , he hasn't been apart of mouz for months. But yeah I think when he mentioned he was planning on heading to KR this was expected.
On January 06 2014 00:46 ReM1kZ wrote: zzz any pros out there want to carry my team to nsl3 victory? i cant win on my own merits so i need to call in some hired guns
On January 05 2014 23:37 evilfatsh1t wrote: yeah mouz.black is apparently playing for hot6. solara is already in the team too. strong favourites to win especially since 5inq lost 2 of their players.
On January 05 2014 23:37 evilfatsh1t wrote: yeah mouz.black is apparently playing for hot6. solara is already in the team too. strong favourites to win especially since 5inq lost 2 of their players.
Oh they lost 2 players? Do you know who/why?
plzdunkillme was originally going to quit after nsl1 but qo convinced him to stay 1 more season. couldnt convince his parents to let him play. sleepy is going back to australia during nsl3 and is not sure of whether he will stay in the korean scene.
On January 06 2014 00:46 ReM1kZ wrote: zzz any pros out there want to carry my team to nsl3 victory? i cant win on my own merits so i need to call in some hired guns
On January 06 2014 00:46 ReM1kZ wrote: zzz any pros out there want to carry my team to nsl3 victory? i cant win on my own merits so i need to call in some hired guns
On January 06 2014 05:28 BadAim wrote: I'm a really big fan of Purge and Blitz as dota2 personalities, but the only good caliber player this team has is Bamboe.
Well in defense... blitz and purge and the other zephyr guys arent bad... it just seems with bamboes experience he just stands out the most and makes key plays at key times in games. A lot of people(myself included) can learn from his play and im actually glad he is in korea even though he is one of my opponents in this nsl. Motivates me that much more to improve and grow as a player
On January 06 2014 00:46 ReM1kZ wrote: zzz any pros out there want to carry my team to nsl3 victory? i cant win on my own merits so i need to call in some hired guns
So people can quote etc, and this is a bit off topic, but for those that are offended we came to take money or some shit, yes we partially came to win money. At least for me my main motivation is to win money. I figure I'd be transparent as possible. My entire season 3 earnings will go to paying Purge back, helping my girlfriend with some debt, and the rest is to pay for a vacation for my mother / helping her quality of life. I also happen to love DotA, and find this to be a fun way of making money while doing something I love. The motivation for the others has to be similar, to make at least some money, so we could continue to self sponsor ourselves and play in tournaments. We couldn't find many sponsors etc that would help fund us in NA, and expecting Purge to pay entirely out of pocket is a bit insane. We found a team house in Korea that was relatively cheap, a scene that is still growing, and a tournament scene that has enough money to at least pay for basic things. What people don't understand is were making very little off of this, as the PC's, rent, housing costs, food, etc are well over 10k. Add in 4 round trip flights, and all the other things we needed to pay for the place, and after taxes, were barely breaking even. The 5 players on this team were not offered positions on other teams, and jumped at the chance for this. Wouldn't you? We thought it'd be fun to play in tournaments that are more our speed in terms of individual skill, (on a side note weird thing half people calling us awful, half people saying were too good for Korea) and theres no way we'd win enough tournaments in NA/EU to fund what were doing now. As is, there is no guarantee we win anything at all, and I hope people stop flaming us every chance they get over stupid shit. The Koreans here are great understanding people who recognize that us coming is beneficial, none of the one's I've talked to have had any issue with what were doing. This includes March, Tenbird, and the guys I stayed with at VTG. Thanks for reading the rant.
here are the brackets for the round of 8 announced just NOW!
just kind of disappointed how they did the seeds.... other teams get a freeroll for the round of 8 ... nice, now we actually have to practice, we werent even last place at the qualifiers but we play the 1st seed team excited~!
By the way, feel free to repost this in the tournament section as i am a new member to TLnet and cannot create new threads for a period of 3 days~
Hey man , you dont need to justify anything and people trolling at every opportunity should be expected , that comes with the "public figure" thingy. Just don't mind them and keep practicing :D. And make money more of a motivational thing rather than a goal, wining and having fun should be the goal :D.
gogo blitz + team.
*thanks ReM1kZ for the brackets, i hope the games will be streamed :D i really want to see the team in action :D
On January 06 2014 00:46 ReM1kZ wrote: zzz any pros out there want to carry my team to nsl3 victory? i cant win on my own merits so i need to call in some hired guns
welp, I'm not hyped the korean skill level is too low, and I can hardly keep up with the western scene but gl anyways, I'm sure it'll be like taking candy from little children
Just reading a handful of comments makes me proud of TL. People bitch when SC2 Koreans come to other regions and crush everyone, and then when "foreigners" come to Korea to beat up on people in Dota, they also bitch. I'm being serious when I say the lack of hypocrisy is nice.
Just on a side note... for all of those that say koreas skill lvl is too low without even knowing a single thing about the scene.. hopefully this season of nsl will change your mind. And looking at zephyrs bracket they should breeze through to the round of 4 where double elim starts and any team can take first
On January 07 2014 19:47 ReM1kZ wrote: Just on a side note... for all of those that say koreas skill lvl is too low without even knowing a single thing about the scene.. hopefully this season of nsl will change your mind. And looking at zephyrs bracket they should breeze through to the round of 4 where double elim starts and any team can take first
I don't have an issue with Korea's individual play but everything else. From drafts, skill builds, item choices and how the Korean scene places values on certain heroes seem so far below the level we're used to see from every other region.
obviously its going to be worse than every other scene. korean dota isnt even a year old, but more than half the people who pay attention to korean dota make the assumption that any experienced western player can go to korea and rip shit up easily. that is definitely not the case, as shown last season. tbh pheonix should have lost the series by game 4 if qo didnt throw the 2nd game.
Qo/Cynical are basically "western" players in the sense that they came from the Australian scene, not "home grown" Korean talent in the traditional sense.
Does that make me "western" as well? I am an american but I have been in korea for a few years and have been playing in the scene. So based on the assumptions of certain people that korean dota is not on par with other scenes I guess im automatically better than korean talent. I just feel that these assumptions are unfair and baseless, but with more exposure to the scene im sure that some peoples opinions are bound to change. I mean come on... its still a developing scene and there is a lot of potential given the amount of time koreans will dedicate to practice and improving. To give you some insight into the scene in my opinion it seems a game of popularity and trash talk more than a game of skill sometimes. If there is a player who is better than you instead of trying to improve your game the korean approach would be to trashtalk them to as many people as you can in the scene and give them a bad reputation as the community is quite small and most of the players know eachother.
On January 07 2014 21:07 GoDz wrote: Qo/Cynical are basically "western" players in the sense that they came from the Australian scene, not "home grown" Korean talent in the traditional sense.
what difference does it make. theyre active in korea
On January 06 2014 08:46 resunn wrote: Hey Rem1kz, you know what happen to s4l from underrateds? i really like watching him play on nsl1 =/
ah btw, gl on nsl3
I believe s4l is still lurking around the dota scene. I did see him play a few games for ixdl kel but thats about it. I think that your best bet would be to buy a ticket for the korean elite league. We were thinking about forming an nsl season 2 team but we missed the signup deadline... also s4l had mentioned he was going to serve his military duty. He is not really that friendly towards me I guess he doesnt like me...
On January 08 2014 04:28 ReM1kZ wrote:To give you some insight into the scene in my opinion it seems a game of popularity and trash talk more than a game of skill sometimes. If there is a player who is better than you instead of trying to improve your game the korean approach would be to trashtalk them to as many people as you can in the scene and give them a bad reputation as the community is quite small and most of the players know eachother.
That is a very very damning assessment of korean scene currently. Considering its so new, how could bad blood build up so quickly -_-.
Any news on wats coming after NSL3? Many teams would benefit from more playing time in regular tournaments other than NSL. Exposure is currently too little for teams in korea with just NSL.
Anyway, wish both ur team and zephyr success in ur next match.
On January 08 2014 04:28 ReM1kZ wrote:To give you some insight into the scene in my opinion it seems a game of popularity and trash talk more than a game of skill sometimes. If there is a player who is better than you instead of trying to improve your game the korean approach would be to trashtalk them to as many people as you can in the scene and give them a bad reputation as the community is quite small and most of the players know eachother.
That is a very very damning assessment of korean scene currently. Considering its so new, how could bad blood build up so quickly -_-.
Any news on wats coming after NSL3? Many teams would benefit from more playing time in regular tournaments other than NSL. Exposure is currently too little for teams in korea with just NSL.
Anyway, wish both ur team and zephyr success in ur next match.
Isn't that how every "new" scene forms up anyway? Pretty sure trash talk forms the base of any competitive scene.
Well also... the super competitive nature of korean culture in general attributes to this as well... korean culture values excellence.. being #1 means everything and being #2 means you have failed. I currently teach english here in korea to support my dota addiction and even as kids it seems they already understand that being #1 means everything. And then kids will start bullying anyone who is doing better than them academically because that person is making them look bad.
you cant live in korea without thick skin, but the korean culture has proved itself repeatedly that it works. but yeah, the korean community at least prior to pro dota was just older (age is a huge factor) and more experienced players getting their dicks sucked by younger players. regardless of whether the younger players are better or not, the old players would be the ones who decide everything such as who gets to play in scrims, who captains etc.
you cant live in korea without thick skin, but the korean culture has proved itself repeatedly that it works.
Well you could say the Swedish culture has proved itself repeatedly that it works and yet we're lazy as shit.
well im not trying to say all the other countries are failures or something. just saying korea has built a reputation for itself as hard workers and stuff. korea's economic growth didnt come out of nowhere in the last 50 years. getting off topic though
you cant live in korea without thick skin, but the korean culture has proved itself repeatedly that it works.
Well you could say the Swedish culture has proved itself repeatedly that it works and yet we're lazy as shit.
well im not trying to say all the other countries are failures or something. just saying korea has built a reputation for itself as hard workers and stuff. korea's economic growth didnt come out of nowhere in the last 50 years. getting off topic though
They build this reputation in there own country, all countries do this
what's with all the defensiveness... that guy said we say the korean dota level is still shit because we don't know anything about it is crazy
I still remember the first pro korean game I watched one of the kids rushed sheepstick on NP or something, a lot of crazy ass builds and bad decisions on team fights overall
I'm not a hater, but in my experience, koreans have excelled in single player games that reward grinding (repetition-wise) for perfection and microing (high as hell apm). I don't know about LoL tho, I'm yet to see how they fare in a game as elusive as dota. But I doubt they'll make it big.
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