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CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 00:46:04
January 07 2014 00:45 GMT
#221
this looks like a fun season.
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
ReM1kZ
Profile Joined January 2014
United States43 Posts
January 07 2014 10:47 GMT
#222
Just on a side note... for all of those that say koreas skill lvl is too low without even knowing a single thing about the scene.. hopefully this season of nsl will change your mind. And looking at zephyrs bracket they should breeze through to the round of 4 where double elim starts and any team can take first
life is but a dream... // twitch.tv/ReM1kZ
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
January 07 2014 10:54 GMT
#223
On January 07 2014 19:47 ReM1kZ wrote:
Just on a side note... for all of those that say koreas skill lvl is too low without even knowing a single thing about the scene.. hopefully this season of nsl will change your mind. And looking at zephyrs bracket they should breeze through to the round of 4 where double elim starts and any team can take first

I don't have an issue with Korea's individual play but everything else. From drafts, skill builds, item choices and how the Korean scene places values on certain heroes seem so far below the level we're used to see from every other region.

Hopefully Season 3 will be a step up.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
January 07 2014 11:04 GMT
#224
obviously its going to be worse than every other scene. korean dota isnt even a year old, but more than half the people who pay attention to korean dota make the assumption that any experienced western player can go to korea and rip shit up easily. that is definitely not the case, as shown last season. tbh pheonix should have lost the series by game 4 if qo didnt throw the 2nd game.
GoDz
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia364 Posts
January 07 2014 12:07 GMT
#225
Qo/Cynical are basically "western" players in the sense that they came from the Australian scene, not "home grown" Korean talent in the traditional sense.
To die will be an extraordinary adventure
ReM1kZ
Profile Joined January 2014
United States43 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 20:14:43
January 07 2014 19:28 GMT
#226
Does that make me "western" as well? I am an american but I have been in korea for a few years and have been playing in the scene. So based on the assumptions of certain people that korean dota is not on par with other scenes I guess im automatically better than korean talent. I just feel that these assumptions are unfair and baseless, but with more exposure to the scene im sure that some peoples opinions are bound to change. I mean come on... its still a developing scene and there is a lot of potential given the amount of time koreans will dedicate to practice and improving. To give you some insight into the scene in my opinion it seems a game of popularity and trash talk more than a game of skill sometimes. If there is a player who is better than you instead of trying to improve your game the korean approach would be to trashtalk them to as many people as you can in the scene and give them a bad reputation as the community is quite small and most of the players know eachother.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
January 07 2014 19:47 GMT
#227
On January 07 2014 21:07 GoDz wrote:
Qo/Cynical are basically "western" players in the sense that they came from the Australian scene, not "home grown" Korean talent in the traditional sense.

what difference does it make. theyre active in korea
ReM1kZ
Profile Joined January 2014
United States43 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 20:08:17
January 07 2014 20:06 GMT
#228
On January 06 2014 08:46 resunn wrote:
Hey Rem1kz, you know what happen to s4l from underrateds? i really like watching him play on nsl1 =/

ah btw, gl on nsl3


I believe s4l is still lurking around the dota scene. I did see him play a few games for ixdl kel but thats about it. I think that your best bet would be to buy a ticket for the korean elite league. We were thinking about forming an nsl season 2 team but we missed the signup deadline... also s4l had mentioned he was going to serve his military duty. He is not really that friendly towards me I guess he doesnt like me...
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Kheve
Profile Joined May 2013
323 Posts
January 08 2014 04:18 GMT
#229
On January 08 2014 04:28 ReM1kZ wrote:To give you some insight into the scene in my opinion it seems a game of popularity and trash talk more than a game of skill sometimes. If there is a player who is better than you instead of trying to improve your game the korean approach would be to trashtalk them to as many people as you can in the scene and give them a bad reputation as the community is quite small and most of the players know eachother.


That is a very very damning assessment of korean scene currently. Considering its so new, how could bad blood build up so quickly -_-.

Any news on wats coming after NSL3? Many teams would benefit from more playing time in regular tournaments other than NSL. Exposure is currently too little for teams in korea with just NSL.

Anyway, wish both ur team and zephyr success in ur next match.
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
January 08 2014 04:25 GMT
#230
On January 08 2014 13:18 Kheve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 04:28 ReM1kZ wrote:To give you some insight into the scene in my opinion it seems a game of popularity and trash talk more than a game of skill sometimes. If there is a player who is better than you instead of trying to improve your game the korean approach would be to trashtalk them to as many people as you can in the scene and give them a bad reputation as the community is quite small and most of the players know eachother.


That is a very very damning assessment of korean scene currently. Considering its so new, how could bad blood build up so quickly -_-.

Any news on wats coming after NSL3? Many teams would benefit from more playing time in regular tournaments other than NSL. Exposure is currently too little for teams in korea with just NSL.

Anyway, wish both ur team and zephyr success in ur next match.


Isn't that how every "new" scene forms up anyway? Pretty sure trash talk forms the base of any competitive scene.
ReM1kZ
Profile Joined January 2014
United States43 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 07:02:30
January 08 2014 07:01 GMT
#231
Well also... the super competitive nature of korean culture in general attributes to this as well... korean culture values excellence.. being #1 means everything and being #2 means you have failed. I currently teach english here in korea to support my dota addiction and even as kids it seems they already understand that being #1 means everything. And then kids will start bullying anyone who is doing better than them academically because that person is making them look bad.
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
January 08 2014 07:33 GMT
#232
Kind of a hazardous culture don't you think?
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
January 08 2014 08:44 GMT
#233
you cant live in korea without thick skin, but the korean culture has proved itself repeatedly that it works.
but yeah, the korean community at least prior to pro dota was just older (age is a huge factor) and more experienced players getting their dicks sucked by younger players. regardless of whether the younger players are better or not, the old players would be the ones who decide everything such as who gets to play in scrims, who captains etc.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
January 08 2014 10:47 GMT
#234
you cant live in korea without thick skin, but the korean culture has proved itself repeatedly that it works.
Well you could say the Swedish culture has proved itself repeatedly that it works and yet we're lazy as shit.
Once you Goblak...
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
January 08 2014 13:00 GMT
#235
On January 08 2014 19:47 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
you cant live in korea without thick skin, but the korean culture has proved itself repeatedly that it works.
Well you could say the Swedish culture has proved itself repeatedly that it works and yet we're lazy as shit.

well im not trying to say all the other countries are failures or something. just saying korea has built a reputation for itself as hard workers and stuff. korea's economic growth didnt come out of nowhere in the last 50 years. getting off topic though
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
January 08 2014 13:29 GMT
#236
On January 08 2014 22:00 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 19:47 teapoted wrote:
you cant live in korea without thick skin, but the korean culture has proved itself repeatedly that it works.
Well you could say the Swedish culture has proved itself repeatedly that it works and yet we're lazy as shit.

well im not trying to say all the other countries are failures or something. just saying korea has built a reputation for itself as hard workers and stuff. korea's economic growth didnt come out of nowhere in the last 50 years. getting off topic though


They build this reputation in there own country, all countries do this
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JP Dayne
Profile Joined June 2013
538 Posts
January 08 2014 15:43 GMT
#237
what's with all the defensiveness... that guy said we say the korean dota level is still shit because we don't know anything about it is crazy

I still remember the first pro korean game I watched
one of the kids rushed sheepstick on NP or something, a lot of crazy ass builds and bad decisions on team fights overall

I'm not a hater, but in my experience, koreans have excelled in single player games that reward grinding (repetition-wise) for perfection and microing (high as hell apm). I don't know about LoL tho, I'm yet to see how they fare in a game as elusive as dota. But I doubt they'll make it big.
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