On August 22 2013 00:52 RaspberrySC2 wrote: I'm also not buying this "teenager" argument when it comes to story.
I suppose 17-18 still counts as "teenager", but if ActiBlizzard is making mature rated games targeting a younger audience... isn't there some ethical problem here?
Reminds me of the Joe Camel mascot for camel cigarettes.
Are you a unicorn ? Because NOONE under 18 plays GTA...
I'm not saying that children don't play games that have a "mature" rating. That's like saying kids don't watch "R" rated movies.
I'm not an idiot.
All I'm doing is bringing attention to the problem of creating "mature" or "R" rated content that is targeted to an audience that society has put measures in place to restrict their access to.
On August 22 2013 00:52 RaspberrySC2 wrote: I'm also not buying this "teenager" argument when it comes to story.
I suppose 17-18 still counts as "teenager", but if ActiBlizzard is making mature rated games targeting a younger audience... isn't there some ethical problem here?
Reminds me of the Joe Camel mascot for camel cigarettes.
It's not an ethical problem. It's more of a problem of the target audience one chooses.
It's indirectly implied in that insult that by making games for "kids", the games will inevitably be less intelligent as well. That's why it's derogatory.
PvP needs to be there because 1000 hours of grinding gear is not worth 40-60 dollars. With no depth, it will be a graveyard online in 2 months, just like D3.
Fact is - what people expect out of games and what people play these days have changed. Blizzard is still stuck in the past, and a good example is them getting completely blindsided by LOL/DOTA.
On August 22 2013 00:59 architecture wrote: PvP needs to be there because 1000 hours of grinding gear is not worth 40-60 dollars. With no depth, it will be a graveyard online in 2 months, just like D3.
Fact is - what people expect out of games and what people play these days have changed. Blizzard is still stuck in the past, and a good example is them getting completely blindsided by LOL/DOTA.
I am fairly certain PvP in D2 was hugely niche. This is not a PvP game. In fact, is there any PvP aRPG game that is even balanced?
On August 22 2013 00:36 RaspberrySC2 wrote: Am I nitpicking if I question why Tyreal still looks like a mortal human when he's supposed to be the new aspect of Wisdom?
Or did I misunderstand his story arc in Diablo 3?
The latter. He took up the mantle of Wisdom as a human. And if this is spoiled for you, too bad.
So i didn't understand the end of this game....
Apparently, I didn't either. Because the end cinematic looked to me like he was ascending to reclaim his status as an angel with the invisble glowy sparkle steps and the monologue and all that.
Even in act 1, the crazy healing preacher guy says something about how "justice must die for wisdom to be born" or something.
Maybe he is only a bad ass angel in Heaven? I remember there was some lore that bared them from comming down to earth to kick ass and take names.
...except for the whole coming down and destroying the worldstone at the end of LoD thing....
...yeah >_>
There are alway exceptions to dumb rules about Angels not being able to be awesome. They could be under the Gandalf rule: You can't do anything awesome unless someone else does something equally awesome.
That actually makes no sense.
I can accept some shitty writing or lack of foresight, but there comes a point where the laws of a created universe become casually broken and you're left realizing that anything can happen because "the reason" and any expectation of suspension of disbelief is fallacious as the very foundations of the universe that was initially created crumble into nothingness.
Did you read anything I wrote? Why are you comparing the game to a benchmark that was made 15 years ago?
The point is that Blizzard can do more than that, because games that are doing the best today are doing different things.
Besides, WoW is basically everything (grinding, grouping, PvP). D3 could easily be everything as well, especially if you are dumping 100M in development costs each time.
Great cinematic, too bad they can't be trusted to deliver anymore, not when it comes to Diablo3 anyway. :/ Most of the features they claimed with Diablo3 vanilla multiplay wasn't even implemented.
On August 22 2013 00:36 RaspberrySC2 wrote: Am I nitpicking if I question why Tyreal still looks like a mortal human when he's supposed to be the new aspect of Wisdom?
Or did I misunderstand his story arc in Diablo 3?
The latter. He took up the mantle of Wisdom as a human. And if this is spoiled for you, too bad.
So i didn't understand the end of this game....
Apparently, I didn't either. Because the end cinematic looked to me like he was ascending to reclaim his status as an angel with the invisble glowy sparkle steps and the monologue and all that.
Even in act 1, the crazy healing preacher guy says something about how "justice must die for wisdom to be born" or something.
Maybe he is only a bad ass angel in Heaven? I remember there was some lore that bared them from comming down to earth to kick ass and take names.
...except for the whole coming down and destroying the worldstone at the end of LoD thing....
...yeah >_>
There are alway exceptions to dumb rules about Angels not being able to be awesome. They could be under the Gandalf rule: You can't do anything awesome unless someone else does something equally awesome.
That actually makes no sense.
I can accept some shitty writing or lack of foresight, but there comes a point where the laws of a created universe become casually broken and you're left realizing that anything can happen because "the reason" and any expectation of suspension of disbelief is fallacious as the very foundations of the universe that was initially created crumble into nothingness.
That is the unwritten rule that Gandalf was governed by though, that he could only attempt to influcence and only directly step in when faced with things of amazing power that was equal to him and from the "old world". That is why he only broke it out against the Balrog and WitchKing. Note: Gandalf was also a sort of "angel" in middle earth terms.
Blizzard has never fleshed it out, but the fact that the angels are not able to just come down to earth and fight leads me to beleive that they are limited in what they can do. Or maybe Tyreal left his "wisdom" mantel behind because he feared the black soul stone's influcence. There are a number of "good" reasons he wouldn't be rocking his new duds.
On August 22 2013 00:52 RaspberrySC2 wrote: I'm also not buying this "teenager" argument when it comes to story.
I suppose 17-18 still counts as "teenager", but if ActiBlizzard is making mature rated games targeting a younger audience... isn't there some ethical problem here?
Reminds me of the Joe Camel mascot for camel cigarettes.
It's not an ethical problem. It's more of a problem of the target audience one chooses.
It's indirectly implied in that insult that by making games for "kids", the games will inevitably be less intelligent as well. That's why it's derogatory.
Personally, I don't care if a game is "intelligent". I don't need that for a good experience. As an example, I would point to the Super Nintendo RPGs. Games like Chrono Trigger and FF6 are just fine for kids and their stories aren't overly complex, but are engaging as characters are developed and the way they interact with each other and they world that they exist in actually are consistent.
On August 22 2013 00:36 RaspberrySC2 wrote: Am I nitpicking if I question why Tyreal still looks like a mortal human when he's supposed to be the new aspect of Wisdom?
Or did I misunderstand his story arc in Diablo 3?
The latter. He took up the mantle of Wisdom as a human. And if this is spoiled for you, too bad.
So i didn't understand the end of this game....
Apparently, I didn't either. Because the end cinematic looked to me like he was ascending to reclaim his status as an angel with the invisble glowy sparkle steps and the monologue and all that.
Even in act 1, the crazy healing preacher guy says something about how "justice must die for wisdom to be born" or something.
Maybe he is only a bad ass angel in Heaven? I remember there was some lore that bared them from comming down to earth to kick ass and take names.
...except for the whole coming down and destroying the worldstone at the end of LoD thing....
...yeah >_>
There are alway exceptions to dumb rules about Angels not being able to be awesome. They could be under the Gandalf rule: You can't do anything awesome unless someone else does something equally awesome.
That actually makes no sense.
I can accept some shitty writing or lack of foresight, but there comes a point where the laws of a created universe become casually broken and you're left realizing that anything can happen because "the reason" and any expectation of suspension of disbelief is fallacious as the very foundations of the universe that was initially created crumble into nothingness.
That is the unwritten rule that Gandalf was governed by though, that he could only attempt to influcence and only directly step in when faced with things of amazing power that was equal to him and from the "old world". That is why he only broke it out against the Balrog and WitchKing. Note: Gandalf was also a sort of "angel" in middle earth terms.
Blizzard has never fleshed it out, but the fact that the angels are not able to just come down to earth and fight leads me to beleive that they are limited in what they can do. Or maybe Tyreal left his "wisdom" mantel behind because he feared the black soul stone's influcence. There are a number of "good" reasons he wouldn't be rocking his new duds.
By that reasoning, the hero you control (the nephalem or whatever) can no longer participate as they have proven themselves to be mightier than the greatest demons of hell as well as those of heaven (arguably) and thus the game implodes upon itself.
On August 22 2013 00:52 RaspberrySC2 wrote: I'm also not buying this "teenager" argument when it comes to story.
I suppose 17-18 still counts as "teenager", but if ActiBlizzard is making mature rated games targeting a younger audience... isn't there some ethical problem here?
Reminds me of the Joe Camel mascot for camel cigarettes.
It's not an ethical problem. It's more of a problem of the target audience one chooses.
It's indirectly implied in that insult that by making games for "kids", the games will inevitably be less intelligent as well. That's why it's derogatory.
Personally, I don't care if a game is "intelligent". I don't need that for a good experience. As an example, I would point to the Super Nintendo RPGs. Games like Chrono Trigger and FF6 are just fine for kids and their stories aren't overly complex, but are engaging as characters are developed and the way they interact with each other and they world that they exist in actually are consistent.
On August 22 2013 00:36 RaspberrySC2 wrote: Am I nitpicking if I question why Tyreal still looks like a mortal human when he's supposed to be the new aspect of Wisdom?
Or did I misunderstand his story arc in Diablo 3?
The latter. He took up the mantle of Wisdom as a human. And if this is spoiled for you, too bad.
So i didn't understand the end of this game....
What the crap? In the final cinematic, he says he'll take his place again amongst them but this time as a mortal. Yada, yada, yada justice being met, I'll be Wisdom this time. You guys made me think I was thinking of the wrong game.
On August 22 2013 00:36 RaspberrySC2 wrote: Am I nitpicking if I question why Tyreal still looks like a mortal human when he's supposed to be the new aspect of Wisdom?
Or did I misunderstand his story arc in Diablo 3?
The latter. He took up the mantle of Wisdom as a human. And if this is spoiled for you, too bad.
So i didn't understand the end of this game....
Apparently, I didn't either. Because the end cinematic looked to me like he was ascending to reclaim his status as an angel with the invisble glowy sparkle steps and the monologue and all that.
Even in act 1, the crazy healing preacher guy says something about how "justice must die for wisdom to be born" or something.
Maybe he is only a bad ass angel in Heaven? I remember there was some lore that bared them from comming down to earth to kick ass and take names.
...except for the whole coming down and destroying the worldstone at the end of LoD thing....
...yeah >_>
There are alway exceptions to dumb rules about Angels not being able to be awesome. They could be under the Gandalf rule: You can't do anything awesome unless someone else does something equally awesome.
That actually makes no sense.
I can accept some shitty writing or lack of foresight, but there comes a point where the laws of a created universe become casually broken and you're left realizing that anything can happen because "the reason" and any expectation of suspension of disbelief is fallacious as the very foundations of the universe that was initially created crumble into nothingness.
That is the unwritten rule that Gandalf was governed by though, that he could only attempt to influcence and only directly step in when faced with things of amazing power that was equal to him and from the "old world". That is why he only broke it out against the Balrog and WitchKing. Note: Gandalf was also a sort of "angel" in middle earth terms.
Blizzard has never fleshed it out, but the fact that the angels are not able to just come down to earth and fight leads me to beleive that they are limited in what they can do. Or maybe Tyreal left his "wisdom" mantel behind because he feared the black soul stone's influcence. There are a number of "good" reasons he wouldn't be rocking his new duds.
By that reasoning, the hero you control (the nephalem or whatever) can no longer participate as they have proven themselves to be mightier than the greatest demons of hell as well as those of heaven (arguably) and thus the game implodes upon itself.
You are not an angel. You are some "half angel main character so rules of the universe don't apply to me" thing. It's still video games. Undead dogs still carry gold.
On August 22 2013 00:36 RaspberrySC2 wrote: Am I nitpicking if I question why Tyreal still looks like a mortal human when he's supposed to be the new aspect of Wisdom?
Or did I misunderstand his story arc in Diablo 3?
The latter. He took up the mantle of Wisdom as a human. And if this is spoiled for you, too bad.
So i didn't understand the end of this game....
Apparently, I didn't either. Because the end cinematic looked to me like he was ascending to reclaim his status as an angel with the invisble glowy sparkle steps and the monologue and all that.
Even in act 1, the crazy healing preacher guy says something about how "justice must die for wisdom to be born" or something.
Maybe he is only a bad ass angel in Heaven? I remember there was some lore that bared them from comming down to earth to kick ass and take names.
...except for the whole coming down and destroying the worldstone at the end of LoD thing....
...yeah >_>
There are alway exceptions to dumb rules about Angels not being able to be awesome. They could be under the Gandalf rule: You can't do anything awesome unless someone else does something equally awesome.
That actually makes no sense.
I can accept some shitty writing or lack of foresight, but there comes a point where the laws of a created universe become casually broken and you're left realizing that anything can happen because "the reason" and any expectation of suspension of disbelief is fallacious as the very foundations of the universe that was initially created crumble into nothingness.
That is the unwritten rule that Gandalf was governed by though, that he could only attempt to influcence and only directly step in when faced with things of amazing power that was equal to him and from the "old world". That is why he only broke it out against the Balrog and WitchKing. Note: Gandalf was also a sort of "angel" in middle earth terms.
Blizzard has never fleshed it out, but the fact that the angels are not able to just come down to earth and fight leads me to beleive that they are limited in what they can do. Or maybe Tyreal left his "wisdom" mantel behind because he feared the black soul stone's influcence. There are a number of "good" reasons he wouldn't be rocking his new duds.
By that reasoning, the hero you control (the nephalem or whatever) can no longer participate as they have proven themselves to be mightier than the greatest demons of hell as well as those of heaven (arguably) and thus the game implodes upon itself.
Please, stop. Enough with the crazy theories. The first guy to answer was correct.
"The latter. He took up the mantle of Wisdom as a human."
Look up the last D3 cinematic on youtube. He literally says it.
And apparently the angels do have some stupid law that forbids them from interfering with the mortal world, and Tyreal was going to be punished for doing so, but he chose to become human instead of abide by that rule. Again, It's one of the cinematics.
The latter. He took up the mantle of Wisdom as a human. And if this is spoiled for you, too bad.
So i didn't understand the end of this game....
Apparently, I didn't either. Because the end cinematic looked to me like he was ascending to reclaim his status as an angel with the invisble glowy sparkle steps and the monologue and all that.
Even in act 1, the crazy healing preacher guy says something about how "justice must die for wisdom to be born" or something.
Maybe he is only a bad ass angel in Heaven? I remember there was some lore that bared them from comming down to earth to kick ass and take names.
...except for the whole coming down and destroying the worldstone at the end of LoD thing....
...yeah >_>
There are alway exceptions to dumb rules about Angels not being able to be awesome. They could be under the Gandalf rule: You can't do anything awesome unless someone else does something equally awesome.
That actually makes no sense.
I can accept some shitty writing or lack of foresight, but there comes a point where the laws of a created universe become casually broken and you're left realizing that anything can happen because "the reason" and any expectation of suspension of disbelief is fallacious as the very foundations of the universe that was initially created crumble into nothingness.
That is the unwritten rule that Gandalf was governed by though, that he could only attempt to influcence and only directly step in when faced with things of amazing power that was equal to him and from the "old world". That is why he only broke it out against the Balrog and WitchKing. Note: Gandalf was also a sort of "angel" in middle earth terms.
Blizzard has never fleshed it out, but the fact that the angels are not able to just come down to earth and fight leads me to beleive that they are limited in what they can do. Or maybe Tyreal left his "wisdom" mantel behind because he feared the black soul stone's influcence. There are a number of "good" reasons he wouldn't be rocking his new duds.
By that reasoning, the hero you control (the nephalem or whatever) can no longer participate as they have proven themselves to be mightier than the greatest demons of hell as well as those of heaven (arguably) and thus the game implodes upon itself.
You are not an angel. You are some "half angel main character so rules of the universe don't apply to me" thing. It's still video games. Undead dogs still carry gold.
The latter. He took up the mantle of Wisdom as a human. And if this is spoiled for you, too bad.
So i didn't understand the end of this game....
Apparently, I didn't either. Because the end cinematic looked to me like he was ascending to reclaim his status as an angel with the invisble glowy sparkle steps and the monologue and all that.
Even in act 1, the crazy healing preacher guy says something about how "justice must die for wisdom to be born" or something.
Maybe he is only a bad ass angel in Heaven? I remember there was some lore that bared them from comming down to earth to kick ass and take names.
...except for the whole coming down and destroying the worldstone at the end of LoD thing....
...yeah >_>
There are alway exceptions to dumb rules about Angels not being able to be awesome. They could be under the Gandalf rule: You can't do anything awesome unless someone else does something equally awesome.
That actually makes no sense.
I can accept some shitty writing or lack of foresight, but there comes a point where the laws of a created universe become casually broken and you're left realizing that anything can happen because "the reason" and any expectation of suspension of disbelief is fallacious as the very foundations of the universe that was initially created crumble into nothingness.
That is the unwritten rule that Gandalf was governed by though, that he could only attempt to influcence and only directly step in when faced with things of amazing power that was equal to him and from the "old world". That is why he only broke it out against the Balrog and WitchKing. Note: Gandalf was also a sort of "angel" in middle earth terms.
Blizzard has never fleshed it out, but the fact that the angels are not able to just come down to earth and fight leads me to beleive that they are limited in what they can do. Or maybe Tyreal left his "wisdom" mantel behind because he feared the black soul stone's influcence. There are a number of "good" reasons he wouldn't be rocking his new duds.
By that reasoning, the hero you control (the nephalem or whatever) can no longer participate as they have proven themselves to be mightier than the greatest demons of hell as well as those of heaven (arguably) and thus the game implodes upon itself.
Please, stop. Enough with the crazy theories. The first guy to answer was correct.
"The latter. He took up the mantle of Wisdom as a human."
Look up the last D3 cinematic on youtube. He literally says it.
And apparently the angels do have some stupid law that forbids them from interfering with the mortal world, and Tyreal was going to be punished for doing so, but he chose to become human instead of abide by that rule. Again, It's one of the cinematics.
edit: grammar
So what... is "The Mantle of Wisdom" an orange drop?
i wish there would be ladder again, and after every season(4-6 months) every char gets wiped or same as d2 goes to NL, would keep me motivated to start all over again + add pvp ,would be sick
Not surprised that the main villain seems to be Malthael. His name was mentioned a lot when you reached Act 4. I was assuming that the first expansion would deal with Adria, but they're probably saving that for the second expansion. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the bosses will be Imperious since he was never on good terms with Tyrael and the humans.
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