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On August 21 2013 23:29 Plansix wrote:
Blizzard does need to freshen up their writing staff. We are not 14 any more and stuff that we wrote in our notebooks back then should not be the basis for dialogue. Any line would have been better, even “They can no more stop me than they can stop the sun from setting. Death comes everyone, even them.”
Even if some of us are 14 right now, they're writing is absolutely weak, but strong writing has never been the hallmark of the franchise.
What gets me is that they still have major problems with just trying to keep people interested. This is just my opinion, but their trailers didn't show anything so fantastic as to draw their hordes of suckers, i mean fans, back to play again. The only reason I even bought D3 was to see how the original story ends basically. This lost angel coming back from wherever doesn't interest me. The new character is meh. It's cool they're bringing some version of the paladin back (I assume), but I would've thought it would have been in the original. They still have major problems with the skill-rune system as noted since its inception. They say that they're going to fix the replayability, but shouldn't that have been a major focus of the initial installment. I mean a decade of history with D2 has shown that replayability and finding awesome loot is what has kept people interested. This doesn't even count the stuff they essentially balked on. Unless they release this for free, count me out.
Blizzard be fucking up in a major way lately with everything they touch.
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On August 21 2013 23:47 Plansix wrote:
You can ask for it all you want, but if Blizzard has said it was bad and they were not able to find a way to make it work. And I can blame people for asking for features that I think would suck and I think PvP in D3 would suck a LOT. PvP is D2 also kinda sucked too, so I don't see the reason for that to suddenly change.
They didn't say it was bad. They said they're still working on trying to implement it. If they can't do it, they should say so, apologize and move on.
If pvp wasn't your cup of tea, fine. However, a lot of people wanted it and still want it now. They promised it. So shouldn't they deliver? I mean their main game sucks after 10 years of "development" but at least you still have something to work with.
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There goes my hope for Hearthstone EU Beta announcement. Time to move to america.
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On August 21 2013 23:58 HaRuHi wrote:
There goes my hope for Hearthstone EU Beta announcement. Time to move to america.
Just move your IP to murica. ;-)
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On August 21 2013 23:52 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 23:47 Plansix wrote:On August 21 2013 23:42 Godwrath wrote:On August 21 2013 23:04 Plansix wrote:On August 21 2013 23:02 papaz wrote:
Honestly, even a WoW content patch contains more than this.
I'm guessing they are probably saving some of the announcements (PvP at least) for Blizzcon. What is the obsession with PvP? That was the last part of D2 that I cared about and I don’t really think D3 will have very good PvP at all, with the abilities and classes. I can see duels, which could be fun, but PvP just sounds like a lot of my monk chasing around a Demon Hunter while they kite me all day long. It was a promised feature which they delayed because they wanted to do it "right", you can't really blame people for expecting something devs promised them. You can ask for it all you want, but if Blizzard has said it was bad and they were not able to find a way to make it work. And I can blame people for asking for features that I think would suck and I think PvP in D3 would suck a LOT. PvP is D2 also kinda sucked too, so I don't see the reason for that to suddenly change. Then don't sell your product as something it is not going to be. You saw PAX videos, you saw all the promises, how it got delayed but "no worries" . Your opinion on the matter is only relevant to yourself, and ultimately if you want to mock people for believing what they were told, it is up to you, but you are not the one being reasonable there answering to snarky comments from obviously cheated consumers.
No, I think I will make any comments I want about PvP, how much I think it would have sucked and what I think of people demanding a thing just because Blizzard said they were working on it. People can feel cheated, but being cheated out of a shitty, lack luster feature isn’t really a big deal in my book. They were working on a game called Ghost too, and canceled it. There was an adventure game too, which they canceled because it was bad. This is nothing new for Blizzard. If PvP sucked and it wouldn’t have been fun, there is no reason to spend time and effort on it.
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So the announcement was : Diablo 3 exp, Paladin is back, Diablo is still not dead(Even tho I'm pretty sure I killed him in D2)... Who cares. This game still doesn't have PvP and they are not adding it with the freaking expansion. Well, go to hell Blizzard, I didn't buy D3 and I wont buy D3:Exp.
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Didn't know that people paid for Ghost. And as i said before, it is your opinion that it has to suck (totally disagree, specially a moba minigame, it's not like there are no options outside of DM or PK), but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's a feature that wasn't delivered, and yet the product was sold as it was going to have it. The big deal it is, is totally subjective. But of course, if you don't like what I like i have to call you out, right ?
On August 22 2013 00:11 Pr0wler wrote:
So the announcement was : Diablo 3 exp, Paladin is back, Diablo is still not dead(Even tho I'm pretty sure I killed him in D2)... Who cares. This game still doesn't have PvP and they are not adding it with the freaking expansion. Well, go to hell Blizzard, I didn't buy D3 and I wont buy D3:Exp.
Pretty much, but something tells me that death won't wake up diablo, but use the blackstone for whatever he feels like. I don't remember too well the lore, but wasn't there a dragon god or something like that which was attributed as death ?
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On August 22 2013 00:12 Godwrath wrote:
Didn't know that people paid for Ghost. And as i said before, it is your opinion that it has to suck (totally disagree, specially a moba minigame, it's not like there are no options outside of DM or PK), but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's a feature that wasn't delivered, and yet the product was sold as it was going to have it. The big deal it is, is totally subjective. But of course, if you don't like what I like i have to call you out, right ?
Nowhere on my game box does it say that it would feature PvP. So I guess it is proper for me to say, "didn't know that people paid for PvP".
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On August 22 2013 00:19 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 00:12 Godwrath wrote:
Didn't know that people paid for Ghost. And as i said before, it is your opinion that it has to suck (totally disagree, specially a moba minigame, it's not like there are no options outside of DM or PK), but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's a feature that wasn't delivered, and yet the product was sold as it was going to have it. The big deal it is, is totally subjective. But of course, if you don't like what I like i have to call you out, right ? Nowhere on my game box does it say that it would feature PvP. So I guess it is proper for me to say, "didn't know that people paid for PvP".
You didn't watch enough interviews then.
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I mean, if you want to say it over and over that PvP was never delivered on, I am not going to stop you. But I am going to point out that I think it would suck and it seemed like a pretty pointless feature for a game that is mostly about single player and co-op. But if you want to keep typing it and bringing it up, you are totally entitled to do so. However, you can’t expect people not to respond or disagree.
On August 22 2013 00:19 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 00:12 Godwrath wrote:
Didn't know that people paid for Ghost. And as i said before, it is your opinion that it has to suck (totally disagree, specially a moba minigame, it's not like there are no options outside of DM or PK), but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's a feature that wasn't delivered, and yet the product was sold as it was going to have it. The big deal it is, is totally subjective. But of course, if you don't like what I like i have to call you out, right ? Nowhere on my game box does it say that it would feature PvP. So I guess it is proper for me to say, "didn't know that people paid for PvP".
PvP was discussed in press releases, but removed for release. Blizzard said they would try to add it in a later patch, which implies they would add the feature. But you are correct at face value, the feature was not part of the box and was never 100% promised to be added.
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On August 22 2013 00:20 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 00:19 gedatsu wrote:On August 22 2013 00:12 Godwrath wrote:
Didn't know that people paid for Ghost. And as i said before, it is your opinion that it has to suck (totally disagree, specially a moba minigame, it's not like there are no options outside of DM or PK), but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's a feature that wasn't delivered, and yet the product was sold as it was going to have it. The big deal it is, is totally subjective. But of course, if you don't like what I like i have to call you out, right ? Nowhere on my game box does it say that it would feature PvP. So I guess it is proper for me to say, "didn't know that people paid for PvP". You didn't watch enough interviews then.
I didn't pay for interviews, I paid for the product inside the box and so did you.
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On August 22 2013 00:21 Plansix wrote:
I mean, if you want to say it over and over that PvP was never delivered on, I am not going to stop you. But I am going to point out that I think it would suck and it seemed like a pretty pointless feature for a game that is mostly about single player and co-op. But if you want to keep typing it and bringing it up, you are totally entitled to do so. However, you can’t expect people not to respond or disagree.
Neither can you to stop people being snarky about it 
Now back to check the lore of that dragon.
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On August 21 2013 23:29 Plansix wrote:
Blizzard does need to freshen up their writing staff. We are not 14 any more and stuff that we wrote in our notebooks back then should not be the basis for dialogue. Any line would have been better, even “They can no more stop me than they can stop the sun from setting. Death comes everyone, even them.”
Because you think we are "old gamers" the only one ? When we were 14 we liked diablo. Maybe the 14year old now will like the story of D3. And really... if you play hack and slash for the story... id on't even understand. It's like saying : "Quake III and Unreal tournament have weak storyline". See my point ?
Also i'm not a fan of PvP myself (especially since it was god awefull in D1 and D2) if they promised it and advertise it on the box... it should be there.
It's like you buy Starcraft and it says : "awesome multiplayer". You buy the game. No multiplayer. You yell and they say : "Yeah we couldn't balance it so we dropped it off".. "But but... i pre-order the game for it". "Oh... Our bad".
So i understand people that yell 
Edit : i see people saying it's not written on the box... hum... i should check because i was sure of it. Anyway i'm not interested in PvP. If it's not written so i agree with Plansix. If it's written as i remember. I stand by my point.
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On August 22 2013 00:23 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 00:21 Plansix wrote:
I mean, if you want to say it over and over that PvP was never delivered on, I am not going to stop you. But I am going to point out that I think it would suck and it seemed like a pretty pointless feature for a game that is mostly about single player and co-op. But if you want to keep typing it and bringing it up, you are totally entitled to do so. However, you can’t expect people not to respond or disagree. Neither can you to stop people being snarky about it Now back to check the lore of that dragon.
I going to be a little snarky about it, the feature would have sucked. PvP sucked in D1 and D2 and unless they invented a whole new game around PvP, it would suck in D3. They could create some half assed Moba style game, but at that point they might as well make something else ”Blizzard all stars”. And its not like Blizzard was completely unclear about it, they said they were removing PvP and would try to add it in during a later patch. It didn’t happen and that sucks, but its not like people did not know that the feature might never arrive.
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Hmm....Did blizzaard promise a new version of pvp or something? I clearly remember a patch few months ago which had pvp, you had to go to act 1 and ask some brawler guy and go to the arena area (old tristram) where you could fight. I do remember that WD was op, and barb was really hard to play against as a DH. I never really cared for pvp in diablo, so didnt think much of it, but it is there in the game.
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On August 22 2013 00:30 Plansix wrote:
I going to be a little snarky about it, the feature would have sucked. PvP sucked in D1 and D2 and unless they invented a whole new game around PvP, it would suck in D3. They could create some half assed Moba style game, but at that point they might as well make something else ”Blizzard all stars”. And its not like Blizzard was completely unclear about it, they said they were removing PvP and would try to add it in during a later patch. It didn’t happen and that sucks, but its not like people did not know that the feature might never arrive.
Now you're just being a tool. If they're not going to deliver on it, they should just say as much. Have you read or heard anything anywhere saying such? Otherwise, what's the point of saying that they are trying to implement it in a later patch?
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Am I nitpicking if I question why Tyreal still looks like a mortal human when he's supposed to be the new aspect of Wisdom?
Or did I misunderstand his story arc in Diablo 3?
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On August 22 2013 00:34 chaos021 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 00:30 Plansix wrote:
I going to be a little snarky about it, the feature would have sucked. PvP sucked in D1 and D2 and unless they invented a whole new game around PvP, it would suck in D3. They could create some half assed Moba style game, but at that point they might as well make something else ”Blizzard all stars”. And its not like Blizzard was completely unclear about it, they said they were removing PvP and would try to add it in during a later patch. It didn’t happen and that sucks, but its not like people did not know that the feature might never arrive. Now you're just being a tool. If they're not going to deliver on it, they should just say as much. Have you read or heard anything anywhere saying such? Otherwise, what's the point of saying that they are trying to implement it in a later patch?
They may be toying around with some sort of dueling option or something along those lines. In general, companies not really announce features they will never add into a game. Its not really productive to tell people the features you game will never have.
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On August 22 2013 00:36 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
Am I nitpicking if I question why Tyreal still looks like a mortal human when he's supposed to be the new aspect of Wisdom?
Or did I misunderstand his story arc in Diablo 3?
He became human during the D3 story line. He is just a beefy mortal, nothing more now.
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On August 22 2013 00:36 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
Am I nitpicking if I question why Tyreal still looks like a mortal human when he's supposed to be the new aspect of Wisdom?
Or did I misunderstand his story arc in Diablo 3?
The latter. He took up the mantle of Wisdom as a human. And if this is spoiled for you, too bad.
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On August 22 2013 00:37 chaos021 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 00:36 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
Am I nitpicking if I question why Tyreal still looks like a mortal human when he's supposed to be the new aspect of Wisdom?
Or did I misunderstand his story arc in Diablo 3? The latter. He took up the mantle of Wisdom as a human. And if this is spoiled for you, too bad.
So i didn't understand the end of this game....
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