EPTAfaik high MF only influences the amount of rares, not their quality. Quality is alot higher on average in Act 3. A few days after the patch with hardly any MF gear on I almost always got 3 rares from elites with only the NV. That did go down for some reason now though, even though my MF is higher.
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disco
Netherlands1667 Posts
Afaik high MF only influences the amount of rares, not their quality. Quality is alot higher on average in Act 3. A few days after the patch with hardly any MF gear on I almost always got 3 rares from elites with only the NV. That did go down for some reason now though, even though my MF is higher. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On August 29 2012 17:35 disco wrote: ^ What he said. Afaik high MF only influences the amount of rares, not their quality. Quality is alot higher on average in Act 3. A few days after the patch with hardly any MF gear on I almost always got 3 rares from elites with only the NV. That did go down for some reason now though, even though my MF is higher. MF influences the number of stats per item, higher then MF higher the chance of getting 6 prop etc... bliz confirmed this unless they have changed it. | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
Not true. Act2 VOTA runs are pretty worth the effort n time. I would like to say that having MF gear to swap on killing goblins is very worth it. I've gotten 3legendary from killing goblins in act3 already. | ||
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disco
Netherlands1667 Posts
On August 29 2012 17:48 Doraemon wrote: MF influences the number of stats per item, higher then MF higher the chance of getting 6 prop etc... bliz confirmed this unless they have changed it. Are you sure? I remember reading them saying its only about a higher chance of a magic / rare drop, not quality. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
On August 29 2012 18:15 Mithhaike wrote: Not true. Act2 VOTA runs are pretty worth the effort n time. I would like to say that having MF gear to swap on killing goblins is very worth it. I've gotten 3legendary from killing goblins in act3 already. I also agree - VOTA is pretty worthwhile in terms of farming. After that, you can go to Black Canyon Mines and you'll possibly find elites near the waypoint. Also, Act2 is easier than Act3. That being said, you should be looking to move into Act3 eventually since it's more lucrative. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On August 29 2012 18:21 disco wrote: Are you sure? I remember reading them saying its only about a higher chance of a magic / rare drop, not quality. pretty sure! there was a blue post somewhere that outlined this. something along the lines of: they first randomnise the type of item eg. 0.1% legendary -> 1% lvl63 -> 4% lvl62 etc... then it defaults on 4 prop then your MF brings that chance higher to be a 5 prop or 6 prop. that's basically same as "more rares" as whites and blues are limited in the number of properties, so your high MF leads to more props --> leads to more rares as such again, might have changed, i haven't played for a month.... edit: i think we're talking about the same thing. lol. depends if you think more props = better quality or more props = more rares. | ||
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Gamera
Poland16 Posts
I can farm quite okayish ACT3, elite/yelllow mobs aren't problem for me and rest as well, but it takes some time to fulfil whole backpack with yellows and I kill everything on my runs. I got kinda bored with ACT3 already since there aren't many caves and everything is so wide open. Finding elites/yellows takes _some_ time. Now in ACT2 I can run pass everything leaving everything on the map, and focus only on elite mobs/yellows and don't touch white mobs almost at all. Killing elites/yellows takes me 2/3 less time than in ACT3. Yesterday I got whole backpack of yellows in about ~30 min run. So which is better? I know that ACT2 gives worse items in general, but I still got bunch of i61-63. Now the question is: do these items (ilvl 61-63) roll overall with worse stats than in ACT3 or is it exactly the same? I find ACT2 so much more interesting (more caves/more elite packs/more places to farm) and it takes me no time to get 30 yellows, while in ACT3 I'm not that fast. So what's better? I don't have MF gear at all. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
On August 29 2012 18:45 Gamera wrote: Ok guys here is the thing and a question: I can farm quite okayish ACT3, elite/yelllow mobs aren't problem for me and rest as well, but it takes some time to fulfil whole backpack with yellows and I kill everything on my runs. I got kinda bored with ACT3 already since there aren't many caves and everything is so wide open. Finding elites/yellows takes _some_ time. Now in ACT2 I can run pass everything leaving everything on the map, and focus only on elite mobs/yellows and don't touch white mobs almost at all. Killing elites/yellows takes me 2/3 less time than in ACT3. Yesterday I got whole backpack of yellows in about ~30 min run. So which is better? I know that ACT2 gives worse items in general, but I still got bunch of i61-63. Now the question is: do these items (ilvl 61-63) roll overall with worse stats than in ACT3 or is it exactly the same? I find ACT2 so much more interesting (more caves/more elite packs/more places to farm) and it takes me no time to get 30 yellows, while in ACT3 I'm not that fast. So what's better? I don't have MF gear at all. From my own personal experience, there is a "tipping-point" in your gear where Act3 becomes better than Act2 in terms of productivity. Until then, Act2 is better. It won't be possible for an outsider to determine your tipping point, it comes from your own individual experience. You can't compare yellow items in terms of run productivity because Act2 and Act3 has an equal chance of producing rares - and since Act2 is easier, you're definitely going to find more rares in Act2. What you should think about is the ilevel of the rares. If you're on the edge of the tipping point, it's probably better to do both acts since it gives variety. Another point to consider, in Act3, the arreat levels is very good in terms of farming for paragon xp because the area has alot of squishy densely packed white mobs (scorpions). | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
For me, Act3 is the way to go since I find more lvl63 weapons then I even find lvl62 weapons it seems. Act2 is alot faster, but theres so much junk, its not worth it for me imo. | ||
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ximae
181 Posts
Thing is what ive found is that in act 2 you can get very good pieces of armour as they are more roll based than ilevel based, if ur lucky om the rolls a i61 can be much better than a i63, the weapons are def better in act3. and also the ah is flooded with high dps weapons now which has lowered their prices a ton, not so much with the good armour pieces. | ||
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Evilmystic
Russian Federation266 Posts
Legendary > 6 affix rare > 5 affix rare > 4 affix rare > 3 affix magic > 2 affix magic > 1 affix magic > white > grey First RNG roll determines the slot and item level. It's only affected by the level of difficulty and act. Then the second roll determines the tier of the item, higher MF increases the chance of getting an item from the higher tier. If there is no legendary for this item level and slot pair then the highest tier is most likely 6 affix rare. How does MF affect the rare drop guaranteed by 5 NV stacks isn't exactly known as of yet I think. It's important to note that the item's quality isn't linearly determined by the amount of affixes, you can get 6 bad affixes or 3 good ones and the MF has no effect on this. Items with more good affixes tend to be better overall though. | ||
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ximae
181 Posts
On August 29 2012 19:44 Evilmystic wrote: It's important to note that the item's quality isn't linearly determined by the amount of affixes, you can get 6 bad affixes or 3 good ones and the MF has no effect on this. Items with more good affixes tend to be better overall though. +1 on that, sort of what i just said. the exception is the weapons though, their dps seems to be more based on the ilevel. Even post patch where i61 and i62 can roll good damage i yet have to see one that catches up to the i63 ones. | ||
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Evilmystic
Russian Federation266 Posts
On August 29 2012 19:50 ximae wrote: +1 on that, sort of what i just said. the exception is the weapons though, their dps seems to be more based on the ilevel. Even post patch where i61 and i62 can roll good damage i yet have to see one that catches up to the i63 ones. Weapons aren't really an exception from what I've said. Item level directly affects the maximum amount of stats each affix can roll. Weapon DPS comes from it's base damage spread, elemental damage affix (or +min/+max damage one) and +%damage affix, they all tend to be higher on ilevel 63 items. But you still can get a magic weapon with very high DPS that will be of much higher quality than a 6 affix rare with no damage increasing affixes. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 29 2012 19:50 ximae wrote: +1 on that, sort of what i just said. the exception is the weapons though, their dps seems to be more based on the ilevel. Even post patch where i61 and i62 can roll good damage i yet have to see one that catches up to the i63 ones. Very well rolled 62's and near perfect 61's can still command 7 and 8 digit prices, deservedly so, but definitely it's a lot more rare to see that because 62's have ~30-40 less base dps, and 61's ~70-80. It comes down much more to the affix's you roll. Also, didn't 1.04 make it so that 61-63 all can roll the same base damage modifiers(eg bonus cold/fire/holy etc) | ||
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ximae
181 Posts
On August 29 2012 20:05 Evilmystic wrote: Weapons aren't really an exception from what I've said. Item level directly affects the maximum amount of stats each affix can roll. Weapon DPS comes from it's base damage spread, elemental damage affix (or +min/+max damage one) and +%damage affix, they all tend to be higher on ilevel 63 items. But you still can get a magic weapon with very high DPS that will be of much higher quality than a 6 affix rare with no damage increasing affixes. yeah this is true but, remember before last patch the big difference there was from an i62 to an i63? there were very good rolls on 62s and they wrere very far behind from just good i63s. so there is or was some other factor limiting the lower level weapons. To my thinking its the ranges in the rolls are bigger in i63s + that obviously i63s have bigger base dps just because their level, just like armour pieces do in the armour rating, but that seems less important. thing is post patch it is supposedly evened out, but i havent seen any 1000 dps i62 one handers. | ||
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Evilmystic
Russian Federation266 Posts
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
On August 29 2012 21:24 ximae wrote: yeah this is true but, remember before last patch the big difference there was from an i62 to an i63? there were very good rolls on 62s and they wrere very far behind from just good i63s. so there is or was some other factor limiting the lower level weapons. To my thinking its the ranges in the rolls are bigger in i63s + that obviously i63s have bigger base dps just because their level, just like armour pieces do in the armour rating, but that seems less important. thing is post patch it is supposedly evened out, but i havent seen any 1000 dps i62 one handers. I have a 1158 DPS i62 one hander  | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On August 29 2012 18:29 Azzur wrote: I also agree - VOTA is pretty worthwhile in terms of farming. After that, you can go to Black Canyon Mines and you'll possibly find elites near the waypoint. Also, Act2 is easier than Act3. That being said, you should be looking to move into Act3 eventually since it's more lucrative. Honestly, if you can survive VOTA, you should be able to survive Act3. It might be a little slower, but the loot is better, the levels are more consistent, and you can stay in the game longer (which means you'll have more 5-Stack uptime). In my opinion there just isn't a good reason to farm VotA. | ||
Burrfoot
United States1176 Posts
"Legendary Sets: All item level 61 set pieces have been increased to item level 63 (excluding rings and amulets), and had their base item changed from late hell/early inferno to late inferno." To mean that all legendaries 63 can only drop in Act3/4 or just the base item being Archon. I haven't gotten a single 63 to drop in any act, so I wouldn't know. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On August 30 2012 00:23 Burrfoot wrote: The real question is how to interpret the patch note: "Legendary Sets: All item level 61 set pieces have been increased to item level 63 (excluding rings and amulets), and had their base item changed from late hell/early inferno to late inferno." To mean that all legendaries 63 can only drop in Act3/4 or just the base item being Archon. I haven't gotten a single 63 to drop in any act, so I wouldn't know. Ya. That sounds to me like that's what it means. I've only found two 63's and they were both in Act 3. But I've also only done one butcher run post patch. | ||
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