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On February 22 2013 01:23 HolydaKing wrote:Okay, i want to give Tempest Rush a try but before i can do that i most definitely need a Skorn (as i hear that's basically the one and only weapon) and perhaps a SoJ. I read guides saying you can buy both of those for about 5m each in a low budget build. I guess for a SoJ with rather bad spirit regen and some Tempest Rush Crit or Sweeping Wind damage that might work after some checking, but Skorn seems just so expensive. I don't think getting one without Lifeleech makes sense. I could spend 10-15m too, but then i'm basically out of gold and i don't know how good it will work anyway (but i'll probably have about 90-100k dps unbuffed with one so it SHOULD fine on MP0 at least) so i'm somewhat against spending that much. ^^ Either way, i'm correct about assuming LL is a must have right? I don't think a LoH Skorn or LaK Skorn will help much vs reflect damage, which basically every elite has ... So i probably will have to get an Int Skorn with about 1250-1300 DPS, as that's probably better than one with only around 1100-1150 DPS and Dex (assuming similar CHD)...? ^^ God i hate buying things on the AH, specially weapons. 
Going without LL is doable, but only playable if you spec into Serenity (taking up a "fun slot"). You'll eventually run into the nasty pack with plague, RD, shielding, fast, horde, et al and die to them even on MP0 without Serenity. With LL on a Skorn you don't need the serenity and can just pick a fun skill to making farming xp less boring - Cyclone Strike, Dash, EP, etc.
I run TR+Bell DWing so I use Blind, but it requires spirit regen in most slots.
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I´m doing just fine without either LL or Serenity with my setup, only the occasional baneling bomb kills me during my run.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Samba-1157/hero/50295
I got about 350 allres with this and reflect doesn´t hurt me too bad on MP1. But my 800 regen might help with that too. Just don´t throw a bell at them when their shield is on and keep TR them. ^^
On February 22 2013 06:48 HolydaKing wrote:
So are you advising me to buy one without LL? I got pretty decent bonus health per globe (18k), but it sounds like it could be pretty rough at times.
In theory i got about 20 mil to spend, so i COULD buy one with LL per bid maybe for 12-15mil (though that's hard) with about 1250-1300 dps and dex. without LL i'd get about 1450-1500+ dps skorns with dex for the same price... hmmm ^^
I only paid 500k on my Skorn btw.
Just add me in-game if i can help you with something.
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On February 28 2013 13:50 Samba wrote:
I´m doing just fine without either LL or Serenity with my setup, only the occasional baneling bomb kills me.
I got about 350 allres with this and reflect doesn´t hurt me too bad on MP1. But my 800 regen might help with that too. Just don´t throw a bell at them when their shield is on and keep TR them. ^^
That is the point - avoiding the "occasional" death and just spamming bells thru RD and living. If LL Skorn is too pricey, just do what I'm doing - slow high avg hit main hand with a low dps stat stick offhand with LL and crit damage. (For ref my mace cost 500k, my offhand cost 100k + Show Spoiler + similar should be on AH for lower bid by now). Wave of Light always uses mainhand to calculate damage so if you can spam enough bells your burst will be high and the crappy offhand reducing your fot/sw damage won't be as noticible. I'd say on a typical VOTA run, 90% of my damage on elites are from WoL + ~75% of white mob damage is from WoL. (One shot large groups, fot small packs). Great place to essence farm on any MP.
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On March 01 2013 02:37 Burrfoot wrote:That is the point - avoiding the "occasional" death and just spamming bells thru RD and living. If LL Skorn is too pricey, just do what I'm doing - slow high avg hit main hand with a low dps stat stick offhand with LL and crit damage. (For ref my mace cost 500k, my offhand cost 100k + Show Spoiler + similar should be on AH for lower bid by now). Wave of Light always uses mainhand to calculate damage so if you can spam enough bells your burst will be high and the crappy offhand reducing your fot/sw damage won't be as noticible. I'd say on a typical VOTA run, 90% of my damage on elites are from WoL + ~75% of white mob damage is from WoL. (One shot large groups, fot small packs). Great place to essence farm on any MP.
I think you're might not be fully aware of what the tempest rushing build is, since you'd have too high spirit drain with dual wield tempest rushing. And belling most of the white trash is kinda slow.
This is how to properly tempest rush:
http://www.twitch.tv/bondator/b/369721195
I run with life after kill Skorn, which I've found out to work extremely well. I'd say 99% my deaths are from dropping bells to RD packs, so life steal would definitely help there. They are still completely avoidable if only I paid some god damn attention.
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On March 01 2013 08:43 Bondator wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 02:37 Burrfoot wrote:That is the point - avoiding the "occasional" death and just spamming bells thru RD and living. If LL Skorn is too pricey, just do what I'm doing - slow high avg hit main hand with a low dps stat stick offhand with LL and crit damage. (For ref my mace cost 500k, my offhand cost 100k + Show Spoiler + similar should be on AH for lower bid by now). Wave of Light always uses mainhand to calculate damage so if you can spam enough bells your burst will be high and the crappy offhand reducing your fot/sw damage won't be as noticible. I'd say on a typical VOTA run, 90% of my damage on elites are from WoL + ~75% of white mob damage is from WoL. (One shot large groups, fot small packs). Great place to essence farm on any MP. I think you're might not be fully aware of what the tempest rushing build is, since you'd have too high spirit drain with dual wield tempest rushing. And belling most of the white trash is kinda slow. This is how to properly tempest rush: http://www.google.comI run with life after kill Skorn, which I've found out to work extremely well. I'd say 99% my deaths are from dropping bells to RD packs, so life steal would definitely help there. They are still completely avoidable if only I paid some god damn attention.
You're aware there are more than one TR builds, and most of us non-streams with mediocre gear mostly use TR to move between packs and not actually use it to kill mobs - especially after the SW snapshot nerf. Bell damage was buffed so much and distance between packs in places like VOTA is so small that the short burst of TR between packs leaves plenty of spirit for bell dropping.
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Personally, I'm inclined to go with LTK + Dashing Strike (will have to try this sometime actually).
Much easier on the spirit drain and the smaller attack radius means there are things left over to target with DS.
Plus LTK is already coming close to one-shotting stuff with 60-ish dps.
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On March 01 2013 08:52 Burrfoot wrote:
You're aware there are more than one TR builds, and most of us non-streams with mediocre gear mostly use TR to move between packs and not actually use it to kill mobs - especially after the SW snapshot nerf. Bell damage was buffed so much and distance between packs in places like VOTA is so small that the short burst of TR between packs leaves plenty of spirit for bell dropping.
Sure, but that is a question of semantics. Just like many of us refer to the CM-wizard, when nearly 100% of the wizards use CM regardless of the build. I did interpret that the discussion was about gearing for the build. And it isn't actually that expensive to get it going. My gear is good, but the difference to cheap but adequate isn't a big one.
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On March 01 2013 09:04 Wuster wrote:
Personally, I'm inclined to go with LTK + Dashing Strike (will have to try this sometime actually).
Much easier on the spirit drain and the smaller attack radius means there are things left over to target with DS.
Plus LTK is already coming close to one-shotting stuff with 60-ish dps.
Yep, at least we have more viable builds now even though they didn't bother to balance spirit generators. LTK build is pretty fun - especially Y'tar, but without any ltk-gear, I just found bells more effective with the larger foot print, even if it looks half as cool. (looking cool matters!).
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On March 01 2013 02:37 Burrfoot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 13:50 Samba wrote:
I´m doing just fine without either LL or Serenity with my setup, only the occasional baneling bomb kills me.
I got about 350 allres with this and reflect doesn´t hurt me too bad on MP1. But my 800 regen might help with that too. Just don´t throw a bell at them when their shield is on and keep TR them. ^^
That is the point - avoiding the "occasional" death and just spamming bells thru RD and living. If LL Skorn is too pricey, just do what I'm doing - slow high avg hit main hand with a low dps stat stick offhand with LL and crit damage. (For ref my mace cost 500k, my offhand cost 100k + Show Spoiler + similar should be on AH for lower bid by now). Wave of Light always uses mainhand to calculate damage so if you can spam enough bells your burst will be high and the crappy offhand reducing your fot/sw damage won't be as noticible. I'd say on a typical VOTA run, 90% of my damage on elites are from WoL + ~75% of white mob damage is from WoL. (One shot large groups, fot small packs). Great place to essence farm on any MP.
I doubt LL would help in my case all that much because these banelings in keeps lvl2 just oneshot me if they explode right besides me with only 350 allres and 35k life.
I really rarely die to RD though, as long as their shield is on i just circle-TR them and if they didn´t die one bell does the rest.
But when i fail and bell them with active shield i oneshot myself ofc, so not that LL would be useless. I´m just too cheap to buy a good one. 
And with my cheap non LL Skorn i kill white mobs with one pass of TR, so no need to spam bells.
But i imagine Life a. kill as being pretty useful, but not really necessary.
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Reading this is really interesting, because when I played a Monk in May, you pretty much had to play Sweeping Wind, FoT and 4 Defensive Skills as well as 3 defensive passives. How expensive would it be to equip a monk for players 4/5 key-runs?
I really feel an itch to level my new monkstress to 60 tonight...
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On March 05 2013 02:46 kafkaesque wrote:
Reading this is really interesting, because when I played a Monk in May, you pretty much had to play Sweeping Wind, FoT and 4 Defensive Skills as well as 3 defensive passives. How expensive would it be to equip a monk for players 4/5 key-runs?
I really feel an itch to level my new monkstress to 60 tonight...
The Inferno nerf and buff to spirit spenders opened doors to new ways to play. I am only in MP 3 and have spent 20 million or so. I am using a bit diffrent idea with no life steal and no life per hit. Mostly life per spirit spent and bell spam. So I would think 40 to 50 million would set you up nicely.
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On March 05 2013 11:08 jere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 02:46 kafkaesque wrote:
Reading this is really interesting, because when I played a Monk in May, you pretty much had to play Sweeping Wind, FoT and 4 Defensive Skills as well as 3 defensive passives. How expensive would it be to equip a monk for players 4/5 key-runs?
I really feel an itch to level my new monkstress to 60 tonight... The Inferno nerf and buff to spirit spenders opened doors to new ways to play. I am only in MP 3 and have spent 20 million or so. I am using a bit diffrent idea with no life steal and no life per hit. Mostly life per spirit spent and bell spam. So I would think 40 to 50 million would set you up nicely.
I think it´s not even that expensive to get to MP5, with the new crafting items and going only 1 type of resistance and OWE you probably only need like 10-20ish mil. Not 100% sure though.
Edit: But you would be back to the cookie cutter build then mostly.
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guys i have a monk lvl 46 . can some1 help me make a good leveling build ?i have pretty decent iteams . thanks .
edit : 48 now
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Looks like you have around 600 total resistance ya? Assuming that's true, you really should be able to breeze through MP5 now as that's about what I had when I started doing MP 5 runs.
But if you want some advice on upping your dps: you're really held back by the shenlong fists. That's 4 possible affixes you can get for bonus crit-chance and sockets and you're only getting one (I use Shenlong's too so I feel the same pain).
You also have really low crit chance for having 2-piece nats; it looks like you're focusing too much on attack speed.
I haven't played much since patch but here's my profile - it's very similar to yours, but I have 11k more dps and was doing MP 5-7* without dying (I wouldn't call it farming since it was sometimes slow). Ignore the Mystic Ally; I was just experimenting if that was better after the Blinding Flash nerf (also I wanted to see how good the new LtK is - pretty good actually), normally I ran one of two builds:
Fot + DR combo strike build
FoT + WoL nuke build (with exalted soul and breath of heaven - infused with light)
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/wuster-1912/hero/2477315
* the wide MP range is because different Acts are not that well balanced IMO - ie get crushed by Act 2 snakes on MP6; but nothing in Act 1 threatens me on MP7 except nasty elites.
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Been away for more then half a year, what is the current top dps class order? I played a monk but also a DH, so I'm wondering in what class to invest gold into getting end game gear. Also whats the current best build for monks, still thunderclap / cyclone?
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for high MP, the baseline skills are still thunderclap/cyclone and mantra of conviction, yes.
with the buff of exploding palm, it has also become baseline, so people usually put it instead of breath of heavens/blinding flash, from there you have a few choices
boh/bf + another spirit generator (usually WOTHF with blazing fists) + combination strike as passive
standard cookie cutter with serenity + boh/bf
i've also tried FOT/quickening + wave of light + exploding palm + WOTHF/blazing fists + mantra and found it has pretty insane DPS, but i'm not completely comfortable doing mp10 with it, need to get about 100-150 more AR.
there is also the TR build which is probably the best way to farm MP0/MP1 for experience and/or VOA for demonic essences.
and other variations for coop play, primarily cyclone strike if you have a CM mage friend, he will marry you :D
monk is in a pretty good state atm.
afaik, DH is pretty bad, they have it tough on higher MP, most of them are whining a lot. I can't completely confirm it since I only play a monk.
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What do you guys think of Wave of Light vs Blindling Light? I use the cookie cutter monk build, and currently I use Wave of Light with the reduced cost rune to clear mobs faster. I was just wondering which skill and rune is better?
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On March 31 2013 23:23 leser wrote:
for high MP, the baseline skills are still thunderclap/cyclone and mantra of conviction, yes.
with the buff of exploding palm, it has also become baseline, so people usually put it instead of breath of heavens/blinding flash, from there you have a few choices
boh/bf + another spirit generator (usually WOTHF with blazing fists) + combination strike as passive
standard cookie cutter with serenity + boh/bf
i've also tried FOT/quickening + wave of light + exploding palm + WOTHF/blazing fists + mantra and found it has pretty insane DPS, but i'm not completely comfortable doing mp10 with it, need to get about 100-150 more AR.
there is also the TR build which is probably the best way to farm MP0/MP1 for experience and/or VOA for demonic essences.
and other variations for coop play, primarily cyclone strike if you have a CM mage friend, he will marry you :D
monk is in a pretty good state atm.
afaik, DH is pretty bad, they have it tough on higher MP, most of them are whining a lot. I can't completely confirm it since I only play a monk.
Hey man, you still playing? I'm amazed.
I can't seem to get in the groove of using exploding palm, just not used to using anything other then aura + left mouse...
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On April 01 2013 02:05 matiK23 wrote:
What do you guys think of Wave of Light vs Blindling Light? I use the cookie cutter monk build, and currently I use Wave of Light with the reduced cost rune to clear mobs faster. I was just wondering which skill and rune is better?
Explosive Light is pretty fun to use, but EW is probably the best for spamming obviously.
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