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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 14:40:00
May 29 2012 14:37 GMT
#761
yea that's a really low hit for seismic
u'd expect like 25k on average minimum
edit: 25k with the 15 fury rune, much higher with the crack rune
coopes
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States144 Posts
May 29 2012 14:38 GMT
#762
Dam crafted a 4 prop shield recipe I found last night in hopes of getting a shield that would hold me over until Stormshield since its so damn pricy, first one:

19% block
84 str+
32 dex+
82 vit+
7% reduce dmg from elites
32 resist all

Think i got really lucky on that one lol

Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
May 29 2012 14:56 GMT
#763
On May 29 2012 23:18 Dead9 wrote:
i wonder if lifesteal% has different ratios for different skills

No, it's flat 80% reduction on anything in Inferno.

Yeah, I guess if you go more aggressively for strenght and damage lifesteal is better, what other skills would you use in such a build?
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
May 29 2012 15:22 GMT
#764
something like this for some kind of hybrid
or something like this for pure range
Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
May 29 2012 15:28 GMT
#765
On May 29 2012 20:22 OoFuzer wrote:


900+ resists. Look how he farm Inferno.


Act 1 is pretty easy. I have got slightly better defensive stats than him (he has more dps and gold) and get my face smashed in during act III.

SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
May 29 2012 16:12 GMT
#766
On May 29 2012 22:59 TheYango wrote:
Interesting that Ground Stomp procs Life on Hit even though it doesn't do any damage.

The bottom end ratios are worse than I expected. This more-or-less confirms that lifesteal is the way to go with Seismic Slam-based builds because the life on hit modifier is so low.


What was your veredict about life on hit btw? I have similar stats overall and I'm starting to try Act II, was it worth it to spend the money in a socketed weapon and does it make a big diference compared to a Ruby in the socket?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 16:23:38
May 29 2012 16:21 GMT
#767
On May 30 2012 01:12 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2012 22:59 TheYango wrote:
Interesting that Ground Stomp procs Life on Hit even though it doesn't do any damage.

The bottom end ratios are worse than I expected. This more-or-less confirms that lifesteal is the way to go with Seismic Slam-based builds because the life on hit modifier is so low.


What was your veredict about life on hit btw? I have similar stats overall and I'm starting to try Act II, was it worth it to spend the money in a socketed weapon and does it make a big diference compared to a Ruby in the socket?

I'd say it was worth it. The effect wasn't as big as I anticipated (most of the stuff I have trouble with in A2 Inferno is stuff that I can't stand and left-click against), but I feel it was worthwhile.

I would definitely use an Amethyst in a weapon socket instead of a Ruby. Maybe not if you're using lower-level rubies, but the amount of +damage from rubies scales linearly, while each iteration of Amethyst multiplies on the previous one's life on hit values by 1.5x to 2x. If you're working with Perfect Square, Radiant Square, or Star gems, I have a hard time thinking that, say, +24 damage is going to outweigh 190 life on hit.
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Coolness53
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 16:50:26
May 29 2012 16:27 GMT
#768
On May 30 2012 01:21 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 01:12 SKC wrote:
On May 29 2012 22:59 TheYango wrote:
Interesting that Ground Stomp procs Life on Hit even though it doesn't do any damage.

The bottom end ratios are worse than I expected. This more-or-less confirms that lifesteal is the way to go with Seismic Slam-based builds because the life on hit modifier is so low.


What was your veredict about life on hit btw? I have similar stats overall and I'm starting to try Act II, was it worth it to spend the money in a socketed weapon and does it make a big diference compared to a Ruby in the socket?

I'd say it was worth it. The effect wasn't as big as I anticipated (most of the stuff I have trouble with in A2 Inferno is stuff that I can't stand and left-click against), but I feel it was worthwhile.

I would definitely use an Amethyst in a weapon socket instead of a Ruby. Maybe not if you're using lower-level rubies, but the amount of +damage from rubies scales linearly, while each iteration of Amethyst multiplies on the previous one's life on hit values by 1.5x to 2x. If you're working with Perfect Square, Radiant Square, or Star gems, I have a hard time thinking that, say, +24 damage is going to outweigh 190 life on hit.


Life on Hit is going to be very helpful for progression through inferno. With Revenge it makes it amazing.

My question though is...Is Justice Lantern worth the slot or would a All Resist, Vit, Str ring be better. I am at 800 fully buffed All Resist, 23-25% Melee Reduction, around 25% block rate, and 40k life.

What kind of build are you using for Act II inferno? If your at Act II or higher is it working?
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 17:07:16
May 29 2012 17:03 GMT
#769
On May 30 2012 01:27 Coolness53 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 01:21 TheYango wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:12 SKC wrote:
On May 29 2012 22:59 TheYango wrote:
Interesting that Ground Stomp procs Life on Hit even though it doesn't do any damage.

The bottom end ratios are worse than I expected. This more-or-less confirms that lifesteal is the way to go with Seismic Slam-based builds because the life on hit modifier is so low.


What was your veredict about life on hit btw? I have similar stats overall and I'm starting to try Act II, was it worth it to spend the money in a socketed weapon and does it make a big diference compared to a Ruby in the socket?

I'd say it was worth it. The effect wasn't as big as I anticipated (most of the stuff I have trouble with in A2 Inferno is stuff that I can't stand and left-click against), but I feel it was worthwhile.

I would definitely use an Amethyst in a weapon socket instead of a Ruby. Maybe not if you're using lower-level rubies, but the amount of +damage from rubies scales linearly, while each iteration of Amethyst multiplies on the previous one's life on hit values by 1.5x to 2x. If you're working with Perfect Square, Radiant Square, or Star gems, I have a hard time thinking that, say, +24 damage is going to outweigh 190 life on hit.


Life on Hit is going to be very helpful for progression through inferno. With Revenge it makes it amazing.

My question though is...Is Justice Lantern worth the slot or would a All Resist, Vit, Str ring be better. I am at 800 fully buffed All Resist, 23-25% Melee Reduction, around 25% block rate, and 40k life.

What kind of build are you using for Act II inferno? If your at Act II or higher is it working?



I'm not sure about Justice Lanter, I've been eyeing them as well but too lazy to math out the block vs straight mitigation (like resistance). However, if your stats are true you can sleepwalk through ACT2. I know I do with similar stats.

This is the build I use.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WTVXPk!bVZ!cccaZc

I skip superstition because elites dont live long enough to hurt me and I can use the DPS bump. I think I run with about 14k dps before frenzy maniac kicks in.

I use a similar build for ACT4 boss farming but even more dps oriented. I go back to nearly full tank (both armor passives+superstition) when I do act3 though.
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Coolness53
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
May 29 2012 17:08 GMT
#770
On May 30 2012 02:03 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 01:27 Coolness53 wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:21 TheYango wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:12 SKC wrote:
On May 29 2012 22:59 TheYango wrote:
Interesting that Ground Stomp procs Life on Hit even though it doesn't do any damage.

The bottom end ratios are worse than I expected. This more-or-less confirms that lifesteal is the way to go with Seismic Slam-based builds because the life on hit modifier is so low.


What was your veredict about life on hit btw? I have similar stats overall and I'm starting to try Act II, was it worth it to spend the money in a socketed weapon and does it make a big diference compared to a Ruby in the socket?

I'd say it was worth it. The effect wasn't as big as I anticipated (most of the stuff I have trouble with in A2 Inferno is stuff that I can't stand and left-click against), but I feel it was worthwhile.

I would definitely use an Amethyst in a weapon socket instead of a Ruby. Maybe not if you're using lower-level rubies, but the amount of +damage from rubies scales linearly, while each iteration of Amethyst multiplies on the previous one's life on hit values by 1.5x to 2x. If you're working with Perfect Square, Radiant Square, or Star gems, I have a hard time thinking that, say, +24 damage is going to outweigh 190 life on hit.


Life on Hit is going to be very helpful for progression through inferno. With Revenge it makes it amazing.

My question though is...Is Justice Lantern worth the slot or would a All Resist, Vit, Str ring be better. I am at 800 fully buffed All Resist, 23-25% Melee Reduction, around 25% block rate, and 40k life.

What kind of build are you using for Act II inferno? If your at Act II or higher is it working?

With those stats assuming you have a weapon that gives you any sort of meaningful dps (9-16k) you can sleep through ACT2.

I'm not sure about Justice Lanter, I've been eyeing them as well but too lazy to math out the block vs straight mitigation (like resistance). However, if your stats are true you can sleepwalk through ACT2. I know I do with similar stats.


Ya Act II is getting a lot easier just trying to figure out ways to get better. So that I can finish up inferno .
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 29 2012 17:11 GMT
#771
My build is basically the same as crms'. I haven't tried ditching Superstition, but I also don't have the DPS to kill Elites that quickly. My gear is significantly worse than his, but that's to be expected seeing as he was farming Skeleton King before I even finished Nightmare.

I'm progressing through Inferno, but I've stopped after Maghda so that I can slow down and get a better feel for my performance vs. various champion types and try new builds. I also need to farm more gold to keep up my gear progression and A1 is easier to farm than A2 right now.
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Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
May 29 2012 17:12 GMT
#772
I found + 100 all resists plenty for act I, but around +300 needed for the beginning of Act II, with maybe 400 by the end. However, Act III made me get a little more, plus begin using War Cry and dropping Wrath of the Berserker. I recommend 700 all resists for Act III and a little more than I got by with for Act II, say at least 600. I now have Stomp Vortex, Revenge, Leap (Iron), War Cry, Frenzy (Smite), and Ignore Pain (many versions are nice, I went from Ignorance is Bliss to the longer lasting one for Act II).

I have only 1100 ish STR, down from 1600, 8.5k armor with War Cry, ~750 all resists, 49k HP, 9.5k damage (down from 14.5k when farming act I, QQ). I don't know what block is, probably 20% for 3k damage. This is after getting a couple lucky upgrades clearing Act III with a wizard and DH friend up through Siegebreaker Assault Beast last night. I began that act with more like 600-650 on resists, 42k hp, 8.4k armor. I got this ridiculous weapon with around 115 STR and 268 VIT. I remember that Vitality and almost the same dps as my old weapon but a huge life upgrade. The 3rd stat was roughly the same +100 dex or Int. Sadly, no lifesteal, but survivability is high enough that Revenge and CDs get it done for now.

Lastly, I have a feeling that the tower towards Heart of Sin will be more difficult as it was in NM and Hell, and I'll be wanting a little more + resists soon, if not for Act IV.
LancerJ
Profile Joined June 2010
United States160 Posts
May 29 2012 17:56 GMT
#773
Just finished solo clearing Act II yesterday. Posting some screen shots here for comparison. All stats are buffed (War Cry, Battle Rage) and Act II stats have Enchantress +15% armor.

Act I farming stats: (old screen shot, lower resists but 25k dps)
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[image loading]


Act II trash/elite clearing stats: ("progression" build, full tank)
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[image loading]


Act II Belial solo stats: (hybrid, needed extra dps + Pound of Flesh for phase 3)
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Act II farming stats: (work in progress, no extra dps so pretty slow farming)
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


The last screen shot has a +3% melee damage reduction Kymbo in it but I'm still building up life on hit (weapon gem is only +190 with no base life on hit on weapon). Soloing Zoltun Kulle required a kiting build using Weapon Throw + rage/life regen. The blue quality gear I'm using in the final screen shot have 70-75 all resist on them each. Skill build isn't anything special and is usually some variant on this.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 29 2012 18:24 GMT
#774
Is String of Ears worth it if my current belt is 180 str, 73 vit, 6% life, and 31 all resist? =\ I'm hesitant on spending a million on a belt that will make me lose a lot of life and DPS.

The only other pieces I have left to update are shoulders, bracers, rings, and weapon. Unfortunately I'm no where close to affording rings or weapons since they cost upwards of 10 million.
Coolness53
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 18:39:43
May 29 2012 18:27 GMT
#775
On May 30 2012 03:24 skyR wrote:
Is String of Ears worth it if my current belt is 180 str, 73 vit, 6% life, and 31 all resist? =\ I'm hesitant on spending a million on a belt that will make me lose a lot of life and DPS.

The only other pieces I have left to update are shoulders, bracers, rings, and weapon. Unfortunately I'm no where close to affording rings or weapons since they cost upwards of 10 million.


I feel like String of Ears is required for a good one. I would try to get 17% or higher melee reduction on the String of Ears. If you can find one with other stats that are good then I would get it. I got one with 19% with +80 Life on Hit. I bought it for like 750k that was 5 days ago.

Now I am thinking some Elite Reduction will help also so I can tank the elite mobs easier .
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 29 2012 18:31 GMT
#776
I hate searching for Legendaries since you can't use filters. By the time I see something amazing, it's already sold out. There was a very good one for 750k the other day, probably the one you bought lol.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 29 2012 18:33 GMT
#777
I have a pretty trashy String atm. On the market for a better one, but I figured that I'll just re-sell this one at similar price to what I got it for, and only lose out on the 15% transaction fee.
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Coolness53
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 18:38:53
May 29 2012 18:38 GMT
#778
On May 30 2012 03:31 skyR wrote:
I hate searching for Legendaries since you can't use filters. By the time I see something amazing, it's already sold out. There was a very good one for 750k the other day, probably the one you bought lol.


Maybe...
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 29 2012 18:48 GMT
#779
Just found Promise of Glory that ID'ed into int )=
Coolness53
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
May 29 2012 18:52 GMT
#780
On May 30 2012 03:48 skyR wrote:
Just found Promise of Glory that ID'ed into int )=


Sorry man .
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