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On February 18 2013 22:46 Dirkinity wrote:
I have no idea how you can farm MP7 efficient with 84k DPS?! All your IK-Items are pretty "meh". I would start crafting Gloves/Amu and Shoulders.For WW you want more IAS. I would say your Belt and Boots are kinda OK, the Rest is really "meh"
I think you know yourself waht items are good:
Mainhand you want 1100dps, and Socket(and/or CHD), Echoing ofc preferred.
A better offhand, if you wanna farm with WW. Dagger or Sword with 80+ CHD, Socket, LS and maybe Str if its affordable.
Lacunis with Crit ofc, I got mine with 56PhysicalResist and 4% CHC for ~2M.
Rings of course with most possible damage. Searching for Average Damage instead of STR should be cheaper.
So try crafting Gloves/Amu and Shoulders and look for some good Deals on Weapons/Rings.
Why do you say EF is preferred for mainhand? My understanding of how sprint-nado dmg is calculated is that the mainhand weapon damage is what is used as a base, and that rare maces have a higher dmg potential there as EF DPS is high because of the added IAS, which masks a somewhat lower base DPS. Not talking about sheet dps, actual nado dps. Case in point, an 1166 DPS / 1.43 APS EF is 549-1082 while a 1166 DPS /1.2 APS mace is 711-1232. Additionally, an EF in offhand versus mainhand has the same effect on overall APS. Interestingly, with a MH 1.2 Mace and OH 1.43 EF I get 2.10 APS, and with 1.43 EF MH and 1.5 Dagger OH I get 2.10 APS. Seems clear to me from that that a rare mace will give bigger tornado ticks at the same APS, not to mention fear will proc less.
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Of course a Dagger with 1.50 attackspeed is better as Offhand. I have 2.0APS Mainhand and 2.4xAPS in my Offhand. But I see you're one of these Min-Max Nerds who calcuate everything...
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On February 19 2013 07:03 Eschaton wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 22:46 Dirkinity wrote:
I have no idea how you can farm MP7 efficient with 84k DPS?! All your IK-Items are pretty "meh". I would start crafting Gloves/Amu and Shoulders.For WW you want more IAS. I would say your Belt and Boots are kinda OK, the Rest is really "meh"
I think you know yourself waht items are good:
Mainhand you want 1100dps, and Socket(and/or CHD), Echoing ofc preferred.
A better offhand, if you wanna farm with WW. Dagger or Sword with 80+ CHD, Socket, LS and maybe Str if its affordable.
Lacunis with Crit ofc, I got mine with 56PhysicalResist and 4% CHC for ~2M.
Rings of course with most possible damage. Searching for Average Damage instead of STR should be cheaper.
So try crafting Gloves/Amu and Shoulders and look for some good Deals on Weapons/Rings. Why do you say EF is preferred for mainhand? My understanding of how sprint-nado dmg is calculated is that the mainhand weapon damage is what is used as a base, and that rare maces have a higher dmg potential there as EF DPS is high because of the added IAS, which masks a somewhat lower base DPS. Not talking about sheet dps, actual nado dps. Case in point, an 1166 DPS / 1.43 APS EF is 549-1082 while a 1166 DPS /1.2 APS mace is 711-1232. Additionally, an EF in offhand versus mainhand has the same effect on overall APS. Interestingly, with a MH 1.2 Mace and OH 1.43 EF I get 2.10 APS, and with 1.43 EF MH and 1.5 Dagger OH I get 2.10 APS. Seems clear to me from that that a rare mace will give bigger tornado ticks at the same APS, not to mention fear will proc less.
From what I understand, people like EF mainhand because it is good damage and it boosts your offhand attack speed too. So people sacrifice some MH damage to let them get those offhand ticks. You could offhand an EF for the same bonus, but an EF with str/CHD/socket is extremely expensive, even for a low dps version.
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On February 19 2013 07:07 Dirkinity wrote:
Of course a Dagger with 1.50 attackspeed is better as Offhand. I have 2.0APS Mainhand and 2.4xAPS in my Offhand. But I see you're one of these Min-Max Nerds who calcuate everything...
I can tell you are interested in a real discussion of this by the detailed arguments you are putting forth. Better because of what? Attack speed? We hit the same breakpoints w/ WotB (2.22, 2.5) but a rare mace MH and EF OH will in general have higher raw weap dmg, therefore each tick of sprintnado/WW counts for more. Seriously, I'd love to know where by your logic this is untrue.
I buy RabidDeer's argument about EF OH price somewhat, but the same holds true for an EF mainhand. EFs are just expensive.
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On February 19 2013 08:44 Eschaton wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 07:07 Dirkinity wrote:
Of course a Dagger with 1.50 attackspeed is better as Offhand. I have 2.0APS Mainhand and 2.4xAPS in my Offhand. But I see you're one of these Min-Max Nerds who calcuate everything... I can tell you are interested in a real discussion of this by the detailed arguments you are putting forth. Better because of what? Attack speed? We hit the same breakpoints w/ WotB (2.22, 2.5) but a rare mace MH and EF OH will in general have higher raw weap dmg, therefore each tick of sprintnado/WW counts for more. Seriously, I'd love to know where by your logic this is untrue. I buy RabidDeer's argument about EF OH price somewhat, but the same holds true for an EF mainhand. EFs are just expensive.
You can get away without core stats and just go for high damage on the MH though. Yea, having those core stats would be nice... but they are more optional when compared to the offhand.
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On February 19 2013 07:07 Dirkinity wrote:
Of course a Dagger with 1.50 attackspeed is better as Offhand. I have 2.0APS Mainhand and 2.4xAPS in my Offhand. But I see you're one of these Min-Max Nerds who calcuate everything...
Bringing out the ad hominem, guess you should call this one a day.
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On February 18 2013 22:46 Dirkinity wrote:
I have no idea how you can farm MP7 efficient with 84k DPS?! All your IK-Items are pretty "meh". I would start crafting Gloves/Amu and Shoulders.For WW you want more IAS. I would say your Belt and Boots are kinda OK, the Rest is really "meh"
I think you know yourself waht items are good:
Mainhand you want 1100dps, and Socket(and/or CHD), Echoing ofc preferred.
A better offhand, if you wanna farm with WW. Dagger or Sword with 80+ CHD, Socket, LS and maybe Str if its affordable.
Lacunis with Crit ofc, I got mine with 56PhysicalResist and 4% CHC for ~2M.
Rings of course with most possible damage. Searching for Average Damage instead of STR should be cheaper.
So try crafting Gloves/Amu and Shoulders and look for some good Deals on Weapons/Rings.
Gotta ask again. It's easy to find rings that give me around 5 k to 10 k more dps. The problem is, that I would have to drop very much EHP (Around 40k being at 487k unbuffed atm). So would you just drop EHP for more DPS? And if yes, how much? Because it's impossible to find high dps rings with allres/vit in addition for under 100 million or smth ^^
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I would say Rings/Amu are offensive Items. Little bit of Defense is nice, but you have to look at your budget. And with low MPs still are being the most efficient I don't see a reason in going for alot of defensive stats. I have like 6200Armor, ~620AR and 40k HP, 5.x% LS and thinks thats more than ok.
You always can keep some more Defensive Items if you wanna do really high MPs.
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Nicely done Big G! 
Nice writeup on your journey to 100 as well.
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- never dropped legendaries: Mempo (!!!), IK helm, Blackthorne's boots, Ouroboros, Zunimassa's Pox, Fist of Azturrasq, Maximus, IK weapon.
Getting to 100 Paragon and not seeing Mempo once is kinda sucky. How many Andariels do you recall?
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Thanks brutemax
On February 19 2013 21:50 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +- never dropped legendaries: Mempo (!!!), IK helm, Blackthorne's boots, Ouroboros, Zunimassa's Pox, Fist of Azturrasq, Maximus, IK weapon. Getting to 100 Paragon and not seeing Mempo once is kinda sucky. How many Andariels do you recall?
9 Andariels.
It sucks but I don't think that getting a couple Mempos with int and a crappy random roll, which is very likely, would be any better. 
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On February 19 2013 08:44 Eschaton wrote:Better because of what? Attack speed? We hit the same breakpoints w/ WotB (2.22, 2.5) but a rare mace MH and EF OH will in general have higher raw weap dmg, therefore each tick of sprintnado/WW counts for more. Seriously, I'd love to know where by your logic this is untrue.
Lower tick damage means more ticks to kill a monster, meaning more fury generation. Then again, less tick damage -> less total damage of a tornado -> a higher chance some monsters get out of the fight almost dead instead of dead - but that depends entirely of the rest of your equipment.
Also, given the fact that daggers can still roll extra attack speed over the base 1.50, using it in offhand can get you an extra breakpoint, meaning even more damage and fury generation.
There are situations where EF in mainhand might be a better option, but its again a matter of the rest of the equipment, the playstyle, skill choice, MP you play on etc ..
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As a Barb you want SICK stats on OH and you can't get LS, CHD and Socket on a EF. With a Dagger you could get 200+STR, CHD, LS and a Socket. If you want all these Stats on your mainhand which has to have 1100+ DPS ...forget it. 
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I have switched to a barb from monk and I play with a barb that gets 555k dps buffed. I have used his strat.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#ahUPQR!ZdY!YZZcbY
When used right Overpower can be much better than Warcry.
With a 5 piece ik set for under 15-20 mil I run through mp 6 and can stay alive in mp 10.
With massive LS and whirlwind anyone can spin there way to victory.
I love this build and started over from a paragon 77 monk to a paragon 6 barb.
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That is a pretty standard build. People only really use warcry if they are cutting corners on survivability. You probably dont even need massive LS with 555k dps to do well on mp6. I survive mp5 pretty easily with 2.8% LS, 32k hp and 452 all res buffed with warcry (233k buffed dps). Though right now I am doing raohan runs on mp1...
I run with this:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#ahURkQ!dZY!YZZYcZ
Wrath doesnt have reasonable uptime for me because stuff dies too fast... even with 70% crit rate my fury generation isnt too high. So I use warcry for a fury buff to keep sprint up mostly.
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On February 19 2013 21:50 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +- never dropped legendaries: Mempo (!!!), IK helm, Blackthorne's boots, Ouroboros, Zunimassa's Pox, Fist of Azturrasq, Maximus, IK weapon. Getting to 100 Paragon and not seeing Mempo once is kinda sucky. How many Andariels do you recall?
I got to level 80 on my alternate character (after hitting 100 on my barb) before I found my first (and only) mempo..
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Going back into the game tonight after not playing for a loooong time (stopped after the patch that made Inferno easier, forgot what version number that was). Haven't followed at all what happened to D3 since then, hope I'm still going to understand what's going on and not get blown up too hard with my shitty tank barb with 9k dps... just saw a screenshot in this thread of a guy with 370k holy shit. Probably gonna end up having to read all the patch notes since release. :[
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On February 23 2013 15:56 Matoo- wrote:Going back into the game tonight after not playing for a loooong time (stopped after the patch that made Inferno easier, forgot what version number that was). Haven't followed at all what happened to D3 since then, hope I'm still going to understand what's going on and not get blown up too hard with my shitty tank barb with 9k dps... just saw a screenshot in this thread of a guy with 370k holy shit. Probably gonna end up having to read all the patch notes since release. :[
well you dont need to go tank anymore. and 370k is alot, you can easily do mp7 with 100k unbuffed
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On February 23 2013 16:11 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 15:56 Matoo- wrote:Going back into the game tonight after not playing for a loooong time (stopped after the patch that made Inferno easier, forgot what version number that was). Haven't followed at all what happened to D3 since then, hope I'm still going to understand what's going on and not get blown up too hard with my shitty tank barb with 9k dps... just saw a screenshot in this thread of a guy with 370k holy shit. Probably gonna end up having to read all the patch notes since release. :[ well you dont need to go tank anymore. and 370k is alot, you can easily do mp7 with 100k unbuffed
A lot of the DPS you see in barb profiles is from buffs - my base is far less than 200k and can buff over 300k when using frenzy.
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On February 23 2013 16:11 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 15:56 Matoo- wrote:Going back into the game tonight after not playing for a loooong time (stopped after the patch that made Inferno easier, forgot what version number that was). Haven't followed at all what happened to D3 since then, hope I'm still going to understand what's going on and not get blown up too hard with my shitty tank barb with 9k dps... just saw a screenshot in this thread of a guy with 370k holy shit. Probably gonna end up having to read all the patch notes since release. :[ well you dont need to go tank anymore. and 370k is alot, you can easily do mp7 with 100k unbuffed
I will never understand why somebody would torture themselves with higher MP's. I am at 215k unbuffed but dont dare go over mp5 because of how much longer things take to kill.
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