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Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 06:43:29
September 26 2012 06:43 GMT
#3181
On September 26 2012 14:31 Terranasaur wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Terranasaur-1719/hero/4737523

Alright guys, I need some help gearing my barb. I just dropped 15m on this guy and I can't stay alive in act3. What did I miss?

Your survivability stats are basically a bit low. The main problems are:
  • Your heath is the primary issue. 35k is workable, but will be very uncomfortable. You will be prone to "sudden death" syndrome - where everything seems to be going ok, then you just die. You may find initiating fights uncomfortable also for the same reason. More health (~45k) will be a much more pleasant experience
  • Your healing. On paper you have 1100 LOH and no lifesteal, which is okish, but you are using slow weapons and you have virtually no %attack speed items. This means your healing income really isn't that much. Due to the upcoming changes on PTR, you're going to want to get some lifesteal stuff and boost your LOH up further, so it makes sense to do it now while stuff is still cheaper. Due to how this build works, your offhand is only used for ~10% of your overall DPS, so you can safely replace it with a really low DPS one. If you were to grab an offhand +vit dagger with 900 LOH and lifesteal (DPS irrelevant) it would help you out a lot


To show I'm putting what I preach into practice:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hairy-1750/hero/2281818

GLHF
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
Toyman69
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada100 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 06:55:47
September 26 2012 06:50 GMT
#3182
On September 26 2012 14:31 Terranasaur wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Terranasaur-1719/hero/4737523

Alright guys, I need some help gearing my barb. I just dropped 15m on this guy and I can't stay alive in act3. What did I miss?

biggest reason I found was I needed a lifesteal belt, it fixed soooo many probs i was having when i was starting my ww barb. Nab 1, and a good offhand as hairy said and u should be pretty golden.
If u can get the 1k+ loh and 5%+ lifesteal it basically becomes as long as u play well u wont die
Lee Jaedong fighting!
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
September 26 2012 07:08 GMT
#3183
On September 26 2012 14:31 Terranasaur wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Terranasaur-1719/hero/4737523

Alright guys, I need some help gearing my barb. I just dropped 15m on this guy and I can't stay alive in act3. What did I miss?

Your HP is low and you also have insufficient AR. Depending on your budget an easy piece to upgrade would be your belt. Ideally you'd want a belt with good stats and lifesteal but belts without life steal are extremely cheap. It's easy to get a 150 str, 100 vit, 70 AR belt for <1m.
vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
September 26 2012 07:28 GMT
#3184
On September 26 2012 14:31 Terranasaur wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Terranasaur-1719/hero/4737523

Alright guys, I need some help gearing my barb. I just dropped 15m on this guy and I can't stay alive in act3. What did I miss?

I feel you need more health, resist, and a faster offhand. Lifesteal for post patch would be good also.
Jaedong gives me a deep resonance.
Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
September 26 2012 07:28 GMT
#3185
On September 21 2012 21:20 Frost wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Notomi-1288/hero/22663939
Will my gear be good enough after the patch for Act 3 or should I switch to a different build?


Anyone want to help? :3
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
September 26 2012 07:34 GMT
#3186
Thanks for the tips guys. I'll make some buys and see where it gets me.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
September 26 2012 08:13 GMT
#3187
On September 26 2012 16:28 Frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 21:20 Frost wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Notomi-1288/hero/22663939
Will my gear be good enough after the patch for Act 3 or should I switch to a different build?


Anyone want to help? :3

If you can survive now with only life steal you *shouldn't* have a problem after the patch unless they decide to nerf the barb some more.
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
September 26 2012 08:33 GMT
#3188
On September 26 2012 15:50 Toyman69 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 14:31 Terranasaur wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Terranasaur-1719/hero/4737523

Alright guys, I need some help gearing my barb. I just dropped 15m on this guy and I can't stay alive in act3. What did I miss?

biggest reason I found was I needed a lifesteal belt, it fixed soooo many probs i was having when i was starting my ww barb. Nab 1, and a good offhand as hairy said and u should be pretty golden.
If u can get the 1k+ loh and 5%+ lifesteal it basically becomes as long as u play well u wont die

Well lifesteal helps, but it isn't particularly special. For me with pretty good DPS, 150 LOH is roughly equal to 1% lifesteal. Right now, a 3% lifesteal belt is about the same as me gaining 450 LOH.

Post-patch (with the coeffiecient nerf making LOH worse) it means ~375 LOH will be roughly equal to 1% lifesteal for me. This is the reason I recommend getting some lifesteal - reaching the amount of healing necessary using only LOH is going to require an awful lot of LOH (1000 LOH pre-patch equates to roughly 2500 LOH post-patch).

Attack speed also boosts your LOH income. I have an average attack speed of 2.2 unbuffed! This is 55% faster than someone using slow weapons without any attack speed gear, which means my healing from LOH is boosted by 55% too.

Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
September 26 2012 08:36 GMT
#3189
On September 26 2012 17:13 ArC_man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 16:28 Frost wrote:
On September 21 2012 21:20 Frost wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Notomi-1288/hero/22663939
Will my gear be good enough after the patch for Act 3 or should I switch to a different build?


Anyone want to help? :3

If you can survive now with only life steal you *shouldn't* have a problem after the patch unless they decide to nerf the barb some more.


Ah. thank you! I'm currently downloading the PTR to see if that will be the case. I might replace both my main hands for lifesteal variant. 12% lifesteal... drools
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
September 26 2012 08:51 GMT
#3190
On September 26 2012 16:28 Frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 21:20 Frost wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Notomi-1288/hero/22663939
Will my gear be good enough after the patch for Act 3 or should I switch to a different build?


Anyone want to help? :3

Well it appears that you're surviving only on lifesteal (3% from belt, 3% from passive). The patch will adjust the proc coefficient of sprint, which will nerf LOH... but your healing is completely independent of the proc coefficient change. You will receive exactly the same healing post-patch as you do currently. From what I've heard the sprint/ww build is still functional on PTR, so I think you should be fine.

The question for you, rather, is: is "fine" good enough? If you want to go for a high monster level, I suspect you will want to boost your defensive/healing stats somewhat....

I still haven't been able to get onto PTR to test this stuff out properly myself
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 12:12:29
September 26 2012 12:06 GMT
#3191
On September 26 2012 17:51 Hairy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 16:28 Frost wrote:
On September 21 2012 21:20 Frost wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Notomi-1288/hero/22663939
Will my gear be good enough after the patch for Act 3 or should I switch to a different build?


Anyone want to help? :3

Well it appears that you're surviving only on lifesteal (3% from belt, 3% from passive). The patch will adjust the proc coefficient of sprint, which will nerf LOH... but your healing is completely independent of the proc coefficient change. You will receive exactly the same healing post-patch as you do currently. From what I've heard the sprint/ww build is still functional on PTR, so I think you should be fine.

The question for you, rather, is: is "fine" good enough? If you want to go for a high monster level, I suspect you will want to boost your defensive/healing stats somewhat....

I still haven't been able to get onto PTR to test this stuff out properly myself

I tested several builds on PTR (excluding ww, eonugh ppl tested it).
What I expierenced is that if you rely onf %LL only most likly your build will work.
The more interesting question is at what mlvl.
MonsterLvL 0 in Act3(PTR) is easier than act3 right now.
MLvl 2-3 seems to be where act3 is now.
MLvl 1 on Act1 people felt it was harder because all mobs are level 63 (that influences dodge,armor etc...).

So if you farm Act3 with %lifeleech you should do fine on Mlvl 0-3.
I farmed with relative ease (4-8 deaths per run depending on elites) on Mlvl5. The only thing I noticed that the reward is not enough for hacking longer on elites. So I will most likly reside to Mlvl4 for farming with my current equip (~88k dps Weapon throw, ~100k HoA Smash).

For me it was easier to sustain ToC with Weapon Throw because elites last longer, so after you killed an elite and go on for some more trash mobs to sustain ToC when it evantually run out the cooldown is ready again for the next elite.
Now what I don't tested how much that fact effects WW builds. Since when only one yellow mob is left, will you generate enough fury to sustain ToC? If the answer is yes you will be more than fine on higher MLvl, you will only need to evalute efficiency of your farming.

TLDR; Farming Act3 on 1.04 with %LL? -> you will be fine on MLvl2-3 in 1.05

On September 26 2012 17:36 Frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 17:13 ArC_man wrote:
On September 26 2012 16:28 Frost wrote:
On September 21 2012 21:20 Frost wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Notomi-1288/hero/22663939
Will my gear be good enough after the patch for Act 3 or should I switch to a different build?


Anyone want to help? :3

If you can survive now with only life steal you *shouldn't* have a problem after the patch unless they decide to nerf the barb some more.


Ah. thank you! I'm currently downloading the PTR to see if that will be the case. I might replace both my main hands for lifesteal variant. 12% lifesteal... drools

12% imo is overkill. I only use 12% with 2h builds to tank laser,plague etc. Since you will be ww'ing I don't see the need to ramp it up so hard. You want rather to have more dmg since LL is highly dependent on dmg output.
But yea if you have two godly weapons with 3% it makes you a lot beafier. If you need to buy them and aren't that rich maybe focus more on dmg and have fun with 9%
edit: my 2h has 6%LL so if you have 2 weaps with 6% you could consider (like me) to replace bloodthirst with something that gains you more dmg(in my case: brawler).

edit2: 700 posts? jesus ...
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holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
September 26 2012 15:23 GMT
#3192
On September 25 2012 14:48 holy_war wrote:
First time barb player here and would like some gear advice for a post 1.04/1.05 WW barb. So far I've just quickly geared myself because I was bored. I know I still need to get more LoH/life steal but what else should I focus on? Budget around 30 mil.

Thanks

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/FliedLice-1743/hero/21679492


Would still like some advice.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 16:07:13
September 26 2012 16:06 GMT
#3193
On September 27 2012 00:23 holy_war wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 14:48 holy_war wrote:
First time barb player here and would like some gear advice for a post 1.04/1.05 WW barb. So far I've just quickly geared myself because I was bored. I know I still need to get more LoH/life steal but what else should I focus on? Budget around 30 mil.

Thanks

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/FliedLice-1743/hero/21679492


Would still like some advice.


Nothing stands out to me immediately other than your loh you mentioned and you probably should get some more life. You usually want around 40k hp min.

Personally, I would hold onto that 30m til the patch hits to make any serious upgrades. But if you need to buy some loh or vit/% life in the meantime to farm then by all means.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
September 26 2012 16:28 GMT
#3194
On September 27 2012 00:23 holy_war wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 14:48 holy_war wrote:
First time barb player here and would like some gear advice for a post 1.04/1.05 WW barb. So far I've just quickly geared myself because I was bored. I know I still need to get more LoH/life steal but what else should I focus on? Budget around 30 mil.

Thanks

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/FliedLice-1743/hero/21679492


Would still like some advice.

Well, you already pretty much hit the nail on the head yourself. Your only healing is from 4.7% lifesteal, which really isn't that much (roughly ~550 LOH I reckon, given your current DPS). You pretty much want to double that amount of healing income.

That, combined with your low health, are the primary things that you should focus on. I would consider ~40k to be "the minimum"; some people may run with less, but I just don't find it comfortable - you are prone to sudden death that will slow down your runs substantially.

Other good stuff: more +movement speed is very much recommended. Try to grab something with another 12% speed, such as Lacuini Prowlers or the Tyrael's chespiece. If you have money left over upgrade your weapons. Virtually all your damage is channelled through your mainhand weapon, so make sure it's something with chunky DPS.
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
September 26 2012 18:16 GMT
#3195
@ holy_war- you also can get some more all res on your belt and shoulders quite cheap.
Jaedong gives me a deep resonance.
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
September 27 2012 00:17 GMT
#3196
On September 27 2012 03:16 vol_ wrote:
@ holy_war- you also can get some more all res on your belt and shoulders quite cheap.


Thanks for the tip. Didn't know that shoulders were so dirt cheap.
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
September 27 2012 00:33 GMT
#3197
On September 27 2012 00:23 holy_war wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 14:48 holy_war wrote:
First time barb player here and would like some gear advice for a post 1.04/1.05 WW barb. So far I've just quickly geared myself because I was bored. I know I still need to get more LoH/life steal but what else should I focus on? Budget around 30 mil.

Thanks

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/FliedLice-1743/hero/21679492


Would still like some advice.

I'd definitely upgrade HP and mitigation, first thing I would upgrade are the shoulders probably.

I think if you can farm act 3 comfortably now I would hold off on spending too much gold until the patch hits.
LingsAreBunnies
Profile Joined September 2011
United States103 Posts
September 27 2012 23:53 GMT
#3198
how are people farming on the higher MP levels, I tried the ptr the other day, and it felt like I was getting oneshotted on MP4. Even when I use ignore pain it feels like I was dying pretty quickly. But I still see many people that farms on MP 10... what am I missing?

https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/INeedLings-1648/hero/3247163
vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
September 28 2012 02:48 GMT
#3199
I don't know how you live on current inferno..
You have crap all defense and your only healing is Bloodthirst?
Jaedong gives me a deep resonance.
vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
September 28 2012 03:26 GMT
#3200
On September 27 2012 09:17 holy_war wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 03:16 vol_ wrote:
@ holy_war- you also can get some more all res on your belt and shoulders quite cheap.


Thanks for the tip. Didn't know that shoulders were so dirt cheap.

Your barb is looking pretty beast now, I like your healthy amount of life steal, Im jelly!
Your health is still quite low but I'm not sure where you can boost it best.
I am kinda in the same position with wanting to find more vit for cheap without hurting my other stuff. My mh weapon is even rocking Vit with no strength

I'm thinking I need health on my amulet as I'm working on the IK set which will drop my health a bit. I want to be able to drop health on my MH too.
I guess I should replace the vile ward but damn they are so sexy ( Any other suggestions?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sol-6226/hero/15778362
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