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crisiscore
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia72 Posts
September 12 2012 16:04 GMT
#2941
oh really, well that sucks that its capped, there goes that fun idea. thanks for that, glad i didn't go wasting gold
d(O_O)b
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
September 12 2012 16:12 GMT
#2942
bah, now i need to figure out how to get 24% runspeed, it hink it's the last thing in my arsenal to get that'll make me a 'complete' ww barb. i want lacuni's but good ones are just out of my budget. I also was hoping to get some more LoH somewhere, but I don't think I can find it anywhere within my budget too. Recently dropped my 1051 dps weapon with basically only 58% crit damage as a stat (1192 lok is meh), for a 958.6 dps axe... with 293 str! and 63% crit damage. my dps jumped another 3.2k (on the dps sheet, which means it's actually more if i use the 85/15 calculations) all for the cheap cheap price of only 750k =x

but hrm... what to upgrade now. I can basically get a 5 stack and kill siegebreaker in a very short amount of time. I find this is easier for me to do than trying to just full clear act 3... anyone else doing this as well or is it universal just going through act 3 all the way to azmodan is best?
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 16:35:17
September 12 2012 16:34 GMT
#2943
On September 13 2012 01:12 Kazeyonoma wrote:
bah, now i need to figure out how to get 24% runspeed, it hink it's the last thing in my arsenal to get that'll make me a 'complete' ww barb. i want lacuni's but good ones are just out of my budget. I also was hoping to get some more LoH somewhere, but I don't think I can find it anywhere within my budget too. Recently dropped my 1051 dps weapon with basically only 58% crit damage as a stat (1192 lok is meh), for a 958.6 dps axe... with 293 str! and 63% crit damage. my dps jumped another 3.2k (on the dps sheet, which means it's actually more if i use the 85/15 calculations) all for the cheap cheap price of only 750k =x

but hrm... what to upgrade now. I can basically get a 5 stack and kill siegebreaker in a very short amount of time. I find this is easier for me to do than trying to just full clear act 3... anyone else doing this as well or is it universal just going through act 3 all the way to azmodan is best?

I got mine for 5m:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hairy-1750/hero/2281818
No resist, but good stats and +armour. I actually suspect 5m was a bargain for the stats on them.

As far as runs go, I've just been having a checkpoint at the end of A3 and teleporting around to interesting bits.
The Keep Depths 2 / 3
The Bridge of Korsikk
Arreat Craters and Tower of the Damned 1

I used to do exactly the run that the #1 Paragon barb was using, but I've recently been doing a bit more than that so I can kill more elites with the 5NV, because I want lots of items to sell, not just experience!
I would recommend teleporting + waypointing yourself around, because you avoid some of the long runs and backtracks (eg if you run yourself into a massive dead-end, just teleport out and abandon that map - it's not worth your time to run all the way back).
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
September 12 2012 16:43 GMT
#2944
Damn that is one sexy barb and our barb names are so close lol http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Charger-1101/hero/23424149

Think I may need to work in some AS after see that char
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
September 12 2012 16:59 GMT
#2945
On September 13 2012 00:01 Hairy wrote:
EU, I'm afraid. I have ~11m right now, and I need probably between 15-25m for the item I want. Thanks for the offer, though.


You trying to save up for a tyrael's chest? That's what I'm trying to do for the demon % and run speed, so I'll have 36%. I only got 17m right now and I've been trying to snipe some on bids with no buyouts, but always get out bidded. I need 20-25m to get one with more than 170s and more than 10% demon %.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
September 12 2012 17:03 GMT
#2946
my run is the following:

be on the checkpoint right before azmodan, so that you start each game at the end of the core of arreat. go through the core to the waypoint, then to the first tower level 1. do one full circle around it and go to arreat crater lvl 2. after arreat crater lvl 2, i just go down one level and check if an elite is near the wp, most of the times, it is. you should be able to keep your wotb from arreat crater level 2 up till then.

afterwards, i go to the bridge of korsik and do one circle around the fields of slaughter. then i take the wp keep depth lvl 1 and quickly check if an elite pack is nearby, often times it is. then go down to keep depths lvl 2 and clear all of it. then i take the wp to keep depths lvl 3 and clear this zone aswell. afterwards, i take the stonefort and rakkis crossing wps to quickly check for elites that are immediately at these wps.

like hairy said, i strive for a compromise between maximizing the efficiency of leveling and the efficiency of drops.

you should, however, keep in mind that the forced rares from 5 NV stacks always spawn with 4 affixes, so that they have significantly lower chances of being good. therefore, one should not exaggerate the "loss of drops" that occurs during the first 5 elite kills or overvalue the concept of "continuing with 5 stacks on".

it is also possible to add arreat crater level 1 to this route, but it often times has very nasty splits that end in veery long dead ends - therefore, i only recommend to include this zone if your gear is good enough to run with boon of bul kathos instead of nerves of steel.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
September 12 2012 17:09 GMT
#2947
On September 13 2012 01:43 Charger wrote:
Think I may need to work in some AS after see that char

To whet your appetite.... my average weapon attack speed is 2.2.
With WOTB and the frenzy shrine buff, that goes well over 3 attack speed. Yea, that's pretty juicy.
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 17:11:50
September 12 2012 17:10 GMT
#2948
On September 13 2012 01:59 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 00:01 Hairy wrote:
EU, I'm afraid. I have ~11m right now, and I need probably between 15-25m for the item I want. Thanks for the offer, though.


You trying to save up for a tyrael's chest? That's what I'm trying to do for the demon % and run speed, so I'll have 36%. I only got 17m right now and I've been trying to snipe some on bids with no buyouts, but always get out bidded. I need 20-25m to get one with more than 170s and more than 10% demon %.

THE CAP ON MOVEMENT SPEED FROM ITEMS IS 25%!

Put in big and red because I've seen someone else make the same mistake recently in this thread, and I wouldn't want anyone wasting gold on something that won't benefit them.
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
September 12 2012 17:19 GMT
#2949
On September 13 2012 02:10 Hairy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 01:59 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 13 2012 00:01 Hairy wrote:
EU, I'm afraid. I have ~11m right now, and I need probably between 15-25m for the item I want. Thanks for the offer, though.


You trying to save up for a tyrael's chest? That's what I'm trying to do for the demon % and run speed, so I'll have 36%. I only got 17m right now and I've been trying to snipe some on bids with no buyouts, but always get out bidded. I need 20-25m to get one with more than 170s and more than 10% demon %.

THE CAP ON MOVEMENT SPEED FROM ITEMS IS 25%!

Put in big and red because I've seen someone else make the same mistake recently in this thread, and I wouldn't want anyone wasting gold on something that won't benefit them.


Damn, I didn't know that. Hmmm, I think I may still buy a tyrael for the demon % and just take the run speed off my boots for higher stats elsewhere.

On September 13 2012 02:03 Black Gun wrote:


you should, however, keep in mind that the forced rares from 5 NV stacks always spawn with 4 affixes, so that they have significantly lower chances of being good. therefore, one should not exaggerate the "loss of drops" that occurs during the first 5 elite kills or overvalue the concept of "continuing with 5 stacks on".



Damn, I didn't know this either. My friend who I do runs with always said I value 5 stacks too much, but didn't give any reason other than it's just faster doing only certain areas than full bridge to azmo run for more elite kills with 5 stacks.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Warmonger
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States69 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 18:00:58
September 12 2012 18:00 GMT
#2950
On September 13 2012 02:03 Black Gun wrote:
you should, however, keep in mind that the forced rares from 5 NV stacks always spawn with 4 affixes, so that they have significantly lower chances of being good.


Do you have a source for this?
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
September 12 2012 18:22 GMT
#2951
I'll keep an eye out for one Hairy, thanks, just scared to drop crit chance, but I think at 51% buffed, I should be safe =P
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
September 12 2012 18:32 GMT
#2952
On September 13 2012 03:00 Warmonger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 02:03 Black Gun wrote:
you should, however, keep in mind that the forced rares from 5 NV stacks always spawn with 4 affixes, so that they have significantly lower chances of being good.


Do you have a source for this?

http://www.diablofans.com/topic/57939-magic-find-and-its-efficiency-a-statistical-insight/#S6-4

"However, the above computation indicates that it is very likely for the NV rare to simply have a 100% to hit on the 4-affix rare."

you can try it out yourself: the guaranteed rare that you get from 5 stack NV will always only have 4 affixes. if one elite that you killed with 5 stacks drops more than one rare, the non-forced one can ofc have more than 4 affixes.
you can also simply check this by picking up all rares that drop as the only rare from an elite that was killed with 5 stacks and putting them in a different section of your inventory. (only with these rares we know for sure that they were created through the NV-5-stack-force thingie.)

when identifying, you wont find a rare with more than 4 affixes among them. please keep in mind though that certain affixes yield more than one modifier. for example dual-stats like vit/str can come from one single affix.

"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Warmonger
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States69 Posts
September 12 2012 19:07 GMT
#2953
On September 13 2012 03:32 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 03:00 Warmonger wrote:
On September 13 2012 02:03 Black Gun wrote:
you should, however, keep in mind that the forced rares from 5 NV stacks always spawn with 4 affixes, so that they have significantly lower chances of being good.


Do you have a source for this?

http://www.diablofans.com/topic/57939-magic-find-and-its-efficiency-a-statistical-insight/#S6-4

"However, the above computation indicates that it is very likely for the NV rare to simply have a 100% to hit on the 4-affix rare."

you can try it out yourself: the guaranteed rare that you get from 5 stack NV will always only have 4 affixes. if one elite that you killed with 5 stacks drops more than one rare, the non-forced one can ofc have more than 4 affixes.
you can also simply check this by picking up all rares that drop as the only rare from an elite that was killed with 5 stacks and putting them in a different section of your inventory. (only with these rares we know for sure that they were created through the NV-5-stack-force thingie.)

when identifying, you wont find a rare with more than 4 affixes among them. please keep in mind though that certain affixes yield more than one modifier. for example dual-stats like vit/str can come from one single affix.



Yea, I figured it would be pretty easy to test, so I was suprised I hadn't read it before. Thanks for the link!
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
September 12 2012 20:21 GMT
#2954
:O That loot information is huge, I never realised that. I recently thought that I was getting plenty of rares from just massacring things quickly and using nephalem and paragon, so I haven't been bothering MF switching. No wonder I've had a drought of good items!
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 20:53:18
September 12 2012 20:52 GMT
#2955
im actually no fan of mf swapping. way too inconvenient, kills the fun - and isnt this what this game is all about?

btw getting rich is such a matter of luck its not even funny. this weekend, i found a natalyas ring with 130+ dex, 9 attack speed and 3.5 cc. sold this morning for 200M. until that find, i had made about 50-60M in total. dont even know on what to spend my new riches.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
September 12 2012 21:03 GMT
#2956
yeah basically, the keyt o making it rich, is just get lucky, and how do you improve that luck? get more shit. even getting MF and other things, while it boosts your odds, the key is going to be GET LOTS OF SHIT TO ID. while the forced nephalem drop is concerning, it doesn't mean it can't roll with halfway decent stats, it just won't be that godly 200m item. I used to do teh MF switch but it's really dangerous for me in act3, especially while running around withw hilrwind, i'd rather just kill shit fast, leave game, and go again.
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
September 12 2012 21:21 GMT
#2957
Hello. Has anyone figured out if there is a way to make a more DPS centric barbarian build that works on hell and inferno? I've had a ton of fun as barbarian up to hell, but doing it as DPS, basically with clever use of abilities and cooldowns I could manage any boss fight and most elites and champions. However it became extremely hard in hell act 1 and nearly impossible in act 2.

So, is there a way to play Barbarian with either a 2h weapon or dual wielding? Which is better for inferno and what stats, skills and talents would you be looking for if you wanted to make DW or 2h work on those difficulties?
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
blagoonga123
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2068 Posts
September 12 2012 21:42 GMT
#2958
Money made = Time spent * Luck
no way around it :/
FOOL! Pain is my friend! Now let me introduce you to it!
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 21:57:53
September 12 2012 21:52 GMT
#2959
On September 13 2012 06:42 blagoonga123 wrote:
Money made = Time spent * Luck
no way around it :/


Yup, that's Diablo.

BUT not all time spent is equal. Thus the importance of efficient farming - getting the most loot for the least amount of time/effort in an effort to increase your chances of getting lucky.

It's just like gambling really. Only instead of putting in money for the chance at winning more money you put in time/effort for the chance to get good loot worth gold/money.

Man, I love this game.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Dacendoran
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States825 Posts
September 12 2012 22:48 GMT
#2960
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Dacendoran-1735/hero/26522347

Why is my damage so PITIFUL T.T
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