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DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
September 12 2012 22:51 GMT
#2961
On September 13 2012 07:48 Dacendoran wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Dacendoran-1735/hero/26522347

Why is my damage so PITIFUL T.T

to low crit chance and crit damage. more of that will make your dps go up alot
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 23:07:25
September 12 2012 22:54 GMT
#2962
I want to get Lacuni's but it looks like I'm gonna sacrifice a lot from my current bracers... Tyrael's Might was another option, but the same problem, as my chest is going to be tough to replace too.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/trinxified-1614/hero/2139049

I'm thinking of ditching the weapons now too. Though I got very high vitality and armor for a WW/sprint Barb, my resists are only decent at 840 after warcry. Losing those weapons will bring me down to around 750.. And probably lose crit damage, LoH, and vitality in the process.
Bairemuth
Profile Joined June 2010
United States404 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 00:03:59
September 13 2012 00:01 GMT
#2963
On September 13 2012 07:54 trinxified wrote:
I want to get Lacuni's but it looks like I'm gonna sacrifice a lot from my current bracers... Tyrael's Might was another option, but the same problem, as my chest is going to be tough to replace too.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/trinxified-1614/hero/2139049

I'm thinking of ditching the weapons now too. Though I got very high vitality and armor for a WW/sprint Barb, my resists are only decent at 840 after warcry. Losing those weapons will bring me down to around 750.. And probably lose crit damage, LoH, and vitality in the process.


Well, I'd say replacing your chest with Tyrael's would make your runs quite a bit more efficient. First of all, you definitely don't need vitality at 63k hp so I wouldn't even worry about that. Second, if you search for a 175+ str Tyrael's you'd only end up losing about 125 str. So all you will be doing is: exchanging 125 str for 12% movement speed and 10+% demon damage plus some elite damage, you will also gain about 10 resist and 50 armor. To me, this seems like a no brainer, and a must have upgrade! Your killing efficiency is going to sky rocket and you won't lose any survivability really.

Also, at 10k base armor, I think having 750 AR will be MORE than fine.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 00:58:39
September 13 2012 00:57 GMT
#2964
On September 13 2012 09:01 Bairemuth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:54 trinxified wrote:
I want to get Lacuni's but it looks like I'm gonna sacrifice a lot from my current bracers... Tyrael's Might was another option, but the same problem, as my chest is going to be tough to replace too.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/trinxified-1614/hero/2139049

I'm thinking of ditching the weapons now too. Though I got very high vitality and armor for a WW/sprint Barb, my resists are only decent at 840 after warcry. Losing those weapons will bring me down to around 750.. And probably lose crit damage, LoH, and vitality in the process.


Well, I'd say replacing your chest with Tyrael's would make your runs quite a bit more efficient. First of all, you definitely don't need vitality at 63k hp so I wouldn't even worry about that. Second, if you search for a 175+ str Tyrael's you'd only end up losing about 125 str. So all you will be doing is: exchanging 125 str for 12% movement speed and 10+% demon damage plus some elite damage, you will also gain about 10 resist and 50 armor. To me, this seems like a no brainer, and a must have upgrade! Your killing efficiency is going to sky rocket and you won't lose any survivability really.

Also, at 10k base armor, I think having 750 AR will be MORE than fine.

vouch. your gear is so great that 24% movement speed is basically the only missing thing.
i mean seriously.... 63k hp, 116k dps and 10k armor? poor poor monsters.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Dacendoran
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States825 Posts
September 13 2012 01:30 GMT
#2965
On September 13 2012 07:51 DODswe4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:48 Dacendoran wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Dacendoran-1735/hero/26522347

Why is my damage so PITIFUL T.T

to low crit chance and crit damage. more of that will make your dps go up alot

Just crit damage and chance pretty much?
Bleh that's going to be so costly T.T
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
September 13 2012 02:11 GMT
#2966
On September 13 2012 10:30 Dacendoran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:51 DODswe4 wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:48 Dacendoran wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Dacendoran-1735/hero/26522347

Why is my damage so PITIFUL T.T

to low crit chance and crit damage. more of that will make your dps go up alot

Just crit damage and chance pretty much?
Bleh that's going to be so costly T.T


Well you have more str then me (by around 100) but much lower crit chance (I have 9% more) and I have 72k dps. And yes crit prefixes are expensive. very expensive
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
September 13 2012 02:43 GMT
#2967
On September 13 2012 09:01 Bairemuth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:54 trinxified wrote:
I want to get Lacuni's but it looks like I'm gonna sacrifice a lot from my current bracers... Tyrael's Might was another option, but the same problem, as my chest is going to be tough to replace too.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/trinxified-1614/hero/2139049

I'm thinking of ditching the weapons now too. Though I got very high vitality and armor for a WW/sprint Barb, my resists are only decent at 840 after warcry. Losing those weapons will bring me down to around 750.. And probably lose crit damage, LoH, and vitality in the process.


Well, I'd say replacing your chest with Tyrael's would make your runs quite a bit more efficient. First of all, you definitely don't need vitality at 63k hp so I wouldn't even worry about that. Second, if you search for a 175+ str Tyrael's you'd only end up losing about 125 str. So all you will be doing is: exchanging 125 str for 12% movement speed and 10+% demon damage plus some elite damage, you will also gain about 10 resist and 50 armor. To me, this seems like a no brainer, and a must have upgrade! Your killing efficiency is going to sky rocket and you won't lose any survivability really.

Also, at 10k base armor, I think having 750 AR will be MORE than fine.


So you think Tyrael's would be a better choice than Lacuni's? Thanks for the input, I'm definitely going to consider doing it now.

And yeah, I was trying to aim for 10:1 armor to resists ratio, but it looks like it went overboard since of my high vitality, since I use Nerves of Steel passive. I guess I can even drop that too and switch to something else? Any suggestions which passive to use instead?
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 02:46:05
September 13 2012 02:44 GMT
#2968
On September 13 2012 09:57 Black Gun wrote:
vouch. your gear is so great that 24% movement speed is basically the only missing thing.
i mean seriously.... 63k hp, 116k dps and 10k armor? poor poor monsters.


Yeh lol.. I am built like a tank.. quite excessive I know. :p

The good news is, that if WW/sprint gets nerfed for some reason, I don't really have to make much changes, other than weapons.
crisiscore
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia72 Posts
September 13 2012 03:13 GMT
#2969
@ trinx,i love your work on the D3 forums spoke to you a few times recently there on the rate barb thread.
With regards to which passive to use:
I had an issue when i had switched to lacuni and witching hour where i lost heaps of vitality and all resists, so to make up for this i used superstition which made thing easier and even generates me fury.

If I had a super really good defensive barb which had no problems surviving i'd choose a passive which helped me to kill / clear content faster ... so brawler is a good example i would use as an alternative passive to the typical armour passive which you probably dont need with your defence.

d(O_O)b
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
September 13 2012 04:13 GMT
#2970
On September 13 2012 07:48 Dacendoran wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Dacendoran-1735/hero/26522347

Why is my damage so PITIFUL T.T

Your helm, amulet and ring are rubbish. Go get ones with high crit, attack speed and strength etc - this will go a long way to help increase your damage.

However, it's not DPS I would be worried about; your health is crazy low. Surely you must have problems with dying with only 28k health? When building people's ww/sprint barbs I recommend an absolute minimum of ~40k health, because with less than that I found sudden death was hard to avoid.
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 04:50:52
September 13 2012 04:45 GMT
#2971
On September 13 2012 11:43 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 09:01 Bairemuth wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:54 trinxified wrote:
I want to get Lacuni's but it looks like I'm gonna sacrifice a lot from my current bracers... Tyrael's Might was another option, but the same problem, as my chest is going to be tough to replace too.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/trinxified-1614/hero/2139049

I'm thinking of ditching the weapons now too. Though I got very high vitality and armor for a WW/sprint Barb, my resists are only decent at 840 after warcry. Losing those weapons will bring me down to around 750.. And probably lose crit damage, LoH, and vitality in the process.


Well, I'd say replacing your chest with Tyrael's would make your runs quite a bit more efficient. First of all, you definitely don't need vitality at 63k hp so I wouldn't even worry about that. Second, if you search for a 175+ str Tyrael's you'd only end up losing about 125 str. So all you will be doing is: exchanging 125 str for 12% movement speed and 10+% demon damage plus some elite damage, you will also gain about 10 resist and 50 armor. To me, this seems like a no brainer, and a must have upgrade! Your killing efficiency is going to sky rocket and you won't lose any survivability really.

Also, at 10k base armor, I think having 750 AR will be MORE than fine.


So you think Tyrael's would be a better choice than Lacuni's? Thanks for the input, I'm definitely going to consider doing it now.

And yeah, I was trying to aim for 10:1 armor to resists ratio, but it looks like it went overboard since of my high vitality, since I use Nerves of Steel passive. I guess I can even drop that too and switch to something else? Any suggestions which passive to use instead?

I agree with others; basically your barb absolutely need 24% to be "complete". There's no two ways about it - it's simply too good not to have. This means either you get Tyrael's, or you get Lacuni's. Get whichever one you feel is going to be better for your char overall. I also think a 'Stone of Jordan' would be great for you, to replace one of your rings. You are in the envious position that you have more than enough health, resistances and armour to comfortably make the switch - AND be able to change your defensive passive for an offensive one. I'd go try out Animosity, Brawler, Unforgiving or 'Boon of Bul-Kathos'.

I'm sure I've said it before, but I'll say it again; I also think your weapons are just not very good at all. All your character's raw power is being channelled through that 871 DPS mainhand. You can afford to lose the set bonuses! In fact, just having a dagger offhand instead of an axe would give you a bigger damage increase than the 5% attack speed is giving you, AND you could go get one with a non-crappy amount of LOH. If you were to replace the mainhand weapon with a 1250+ DPS one....
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
September 13 2012 05:11 GMT
#2972
On September 13 2012 13:45 Hairy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 11:43 trinxified wrote:
On September 13 2012 09:01 Bairemuth wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:54 trinxified wrote:
I want to get Lacuni's but it looks like I'm gonna sacrifice a lot from my current bracers... Tyrael's Might was another option, but the same problem, as my chest is going to be tough to replace too.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/trinxified-1614/hero/2139049

I'm thinking of ditching the weapons now too. Though I got very high vitality and armor for a WW/sprint Barb, my resists are only decent at 840 after warcry. Losing those weapons will bring me down to around 750.. And probably lose crit damage, LoH, and vitality in the process.


Well, I'd say replacing your chest with Tyrael's would make your runs quite a bit more efficient. First of all, you definitely don't need vitality at 63k hp so I wouldn't even worry about that. Second, if you search for a 175+ str Tyrael's you'd only end up losing about 125 str. So all you will be doing is: exchanging 125 str for 12% movement speed and 10+% demon damage plus some elite damage, you will also gain about 10 resist and 50 armor. To me, this seems like a no brainer, and a must have upgrade! Your killing efficiency is going to sky rocket and you won't lose any survivability really.

Also, at 10k base armor, I think having 750 AR will be MORE than fine.


So you think Tyrael's would be a better choice than Lacuni's? Thanks for the input, I'm definitely going to consider doing it now.

And yeah, I was trying to aim for 10:1 armor to resists ratio, but it looks like it went overboard since of my high vitality, since I use Nerves of Steel passive. I guess I can even drop that too and switch to something else? Any suggestions which passive to use instead?

I agree with others; basically your barb absolutely need 24% to be "complete". There's no two ways about it - it's simply too good not to have. This means either you get Tyrael's, or you get Lacuni's. Get whichever one you feel is going to be better for your char overall. I also think a 'Stone of Jordan' would be great for you, to replace one of your rings. You are in the envious position that you have more than enough health, resistances and armour to comfortably make the switch - AND be able to change your defensive passive for an offensive one. I'd go try out Animosity, Brawler, Unforgiving or 'Boon of Bul-Kathos'.

I'm sure I've said it before, but I'll say it again; I also think your weapons are just not very good at all. All your character's raw power is being channelled through that 871 DPS mainhand. You can afford to lose the set bonuses! In fact, just having a dagger offhand instead of an axe would give you a bigger damage increase than the 5% attack speed is giving you, AND you could go get one with a non-crappy amount of LOH. If you were to replace the mainhand weapon with a 1250+ DPS one....


Thanks for the feedback. I definitely need these!

I'm already looking for new weapons, as that's definitely my weakest links at the moment. I'm holding onto the weapons since I'm taking my time to find the right new ones for me.

I've decided to go and hunt for a godly Tyrael's instead, since I think I'll be sacrificing less stuff compared to the bracers. Lacuni's with AR and CC are just way too expensive. The rings/amulet will stay for now until I find a offhand that will compensate the LoH I need. Skull Grasp is the pre 1.04 one, so it's worth a lot, since it has the rare CC/CD combination on it.
intHoLda
Profile Joined June 2010
Switzerland36 Posts
September 13 2012 07:12 GMT
#2973
hey guys. i upgraded some of my items. i really dont die anymore in act3, but my killspeed is kinda low.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/bqm-2587/hero/14294452

what do you think? what should i upgrade next/weakest link in my gear?
Capt. Jack Aubrey, «To wives and sweethearts. May they never meet.»
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
September 13 2012 07:35 GMT
#2974
@Trinxified, why not put the biggest ruby in the helm? 2% extra xp is better than 4 more strength no?
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
September 13 2012 10:17 GMT
#2975
Alright, so I got tired of my demon hunter and leveled a barb in a couple days to play with my friends without dying every other pull, and one friend who doesnt play anymore is letting me use his gear (with the stipulation that I give it back if/when he starts to play again) - I'm starting to get some money and was wondering what exactly I should be focusing on for upgrades since obviously I would use anything thats better than his gear in the event that he takes his stuff back. I really don't know that much about barbs since I only started playing one about a week ago, what would be the best stuff to start working on right now - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mierin-1506/hero/26463479
Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling. IGN: Mierin
Erodion
Profile Joined September 2012
Spain1 Post
September 13 2012 11:24 GMT
#2976
Hi guys, long time lurker, finally decided to register to see if someone can give me some help with my barb.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Erodion-2344/hero/17121155
I can clear act 3 easily but a bit slowly, with some deads on ranged elites. I know i lack movement speed and AR, but i dont know what to upgrade, because a single piece of gear costs several millions, and only have 55M. Im thinking to buy 2-3 cheap IK pieces ( gloves, belt and/or helm), but im not sure. Thanks in advance.
Nallen
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom134 Posts
September 13 2012 13:00 GMT
#2977
I'm making the absolutely ubiqutous "how can I improve my barb' post. I think I've hit the right numbers in terms of survivabilty (roughly 550+ AR, 40k HP, 1150 LoH, +37% CC. 5k armor is a bit low) but my damage is non-existant. I think I need more crit damage but I don't really see where I can get it affordably. I have just a couple of million.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
September 13 2012 13:34 GMT
#2978
On September 13 2012 22:00 Nallen wrote:
I'm making the absolutely ubiqutous "how can I improve my barb' post. I think I've hit the right numbers in terms of survivabilty (roughly 550+ AR, 40k HP, 1150 LoH, +37% CC. 5k armor is a bit low) but my damage is non-existant. I think I need more crit damage but I don't really see where I can get it affordably. I have just a couple of million.


Link to your profile would help but in general most of your crit dam is going to come from your weapon slots.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Nudelfisk
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden104 Posts
September 13 2012 13:55 GMT
#2979
On September 13 2012 22:34 Charger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 22:00 Nallen wrote:
I'm making the absolutely ubiqutous "how can I improve my barb' post. I think I've hit the right numbers in terms of survivabilty (roughly 550+ AR, 40k HP, 1150 LoH, +37% CC. 5k armor is a bit low) but my damage is non-existant. I think I need more crit damage but I don't really see where I can get it affordably. I have just a couple of million.


Link to your profile would help but in general most of your crit dam is going to come from your weapon slots.


Agreed! Most crit dmg should come from weapons, any other crit damage is mostly a bonus. Would need your profile to check, but my guess would be (b/c of your low armor) that your strength could use some improvement. I have around 2k and my dps is okay-ish despite a pretty bad MH. You could also use a DPS calculator and let it calculate what stat would mean the most improvement for its cost.
Nallen
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom134 Posts
September 13 2012 15:49 GMT
#2980
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