Barbarian - Builds/Discussion - Page 134

On August 28 2012 16:24 Stratos.FEAR wrote:


wow... i need to get that shit lol fury generation was a big problem for me with ranged barb

saw a similar 0 cd zombie dog + explosion WD build it was sick

On August 28 2012 14:18 WaZ wrote:
so i was considering doing a pure range build and was just thinking about some things mb you guys have answers to

with skull grasp stone of jordan and maras kaleidascope all being good items and being able to roll -weapon throw fury along with belts its quite possible to go to 0 fury required does blizzard have a cap or anything to prevent this?

also if you can get to 0 youre going to be using no escape anyway for the bonus damage so would beserker fury work for extra weapon throw damage?

On August 28 2012 16:34 Mithhaike wrote:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Haike-1482/hero/105268

Help for me please , i've upgraded my gear pretty significantly from before. Any tips on how to further improve my damage from the guys here? I'm thinking to grab a Tyreal's Might for the increase movement speed...maybe andariel for the poison nova.

Decisions decisions...i have 30m to spend. What do you guys think i should do?

On August 28 2012 17:18 Hairy wrote:

Looking pretty good. I would recommend:

• Definitely replace your mainhand weapon as a first priority. A 1100 DPS blue weapon, with absolutely no stats, is going to give you 25%(!) more damage overall. The only issue is your LOH would be uncomfortably low without it... I would look to regain some in other item slots.
  
• Andariel's Visage is lovely. I can only recommend this. Make sure to get one with a high proc chance.
  
• Your bracers suck. Should be easy to replace with better ones.

I'd sooner replace a bunch of other items than get Tyrael's Might; your chestpiece is already very nice, and other items will give you a much more substantial boost.

On August 28 2012 17:02 trinxified wrote:
Hey guys, I just recently re-geared. I feel like this will be my last hurrah, lol

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/trinxified-1614/hero/2139049

Check me out. WW/Sprinter here, buffed with Warcry, Battle Rage, Enchantress, Level 6 Paragon. Note my higher than usual INT to make up for some AR. Currently at 800+ AR after buffs, even if it doesn't look like it.

A few things I noticed since new patch:

1. Whirlwind seems to be generating more Fury than before. That means I find using it more often and most of my damage dealt is from WW. Since it got a buff in damage as well, it definitely makes a difference now.

2. The DPS of both my main-hand and off-hand are decent, so WW is more effective. Granted that they are not top-notch in DPS, they are still good.

3. I'm able to spam Sprint and Whirlwind together almost everytime against only 3 or less Elites. Were the proc coefficients buffed?! Although, sometimes I also run out of Fury at odd times... I guess crazy RNG?

Whirlwind = 145% weapon dmg (alternating between MH & OH)
1x Tornado = 60% weapon dmg
2x Tornado = 120%
3x Tornado = 180%
4x Tornado = 240%
Total max damage potential = 385%

This means that:
If 3 tornadoes, whirlwind is 45% of your damage output. Your offhand is 22% of your overall DPS
If 4 tornadoes, whirlwind is 38% of your damage output. Your offhand is 19% of your overall DPS

On August 28 2012 16:59 Hairy wrote:

Really? With into the fray, the ranged passive, and 41% crit, I was easily able to maintain fury when trying out a ranged build. What rune on weapon throw were you using? I was using the one that just increased the base damage a little bit.

On August 28 2012 18:20 Stratos.FEAR wrote:



hm well it was pre 1.0.4 and i dont think my crit was as good back then

On August 28 2012 18:20 Hairy wrote:

Looking very nice overall. Very nice.


I don't believe the proc coefficients of whirlwind have changed (at least, I haven't heard any noises in that area). Those weapons are obviously new - were you using slower weapons before? Perhaps this is the reason for having more fury. Faster attack speed = more crits = more fury. With higher attack speed Whirlwind devours fury more quickly, though; this explains why you are suddenly running out of fury sometimes - you were whirlwinding with bad tornado connections, and so your fury got eaten up very quickly.

In terms of damage... it's just not possible that most of your damage is from WW. It will give you the biggest numbers on the screen, yes, but it isn't your primary source of DPS. You require 3-4 tornadoes to be connecting with enemies otherwise you will run out of fury.

Whirlwind = 145% weapon dmg (alternating between MH & OH)
1x Tornado = 60% weapon dmg
2x Tornado = 120%
3x Tornado = 180%
4x Tornado = 240%
Total max damage potential = 385%

This means that:
If 3 tornadoes, whirlwind is 45% of your damage output. Your offhand is 22% of your overall DPS
If 4 tornadoes, whirlwind is 38% of your damage output. Your offhand is 19% of your overall DPS

For these reasons (and I'm sure you're not going to like this), I think your weapons could be improved. ~80% of your power being channelled through an 871 DPS weapon just isn't very spectacular.

On August 28 2012 18:24 Stratos.FEAR wrote:


would getting really high crit dmg on the main hand help offset the damage loss? i mean even if your main dps is from the weak main hand if you can crit for 3-4 times your damage for over 50% of the time it should be just as good right?

On August 28 2012 23:21 Razith wrote:
Okay so I've tried on my own for a while but I've never played ARPG's before, or any Diablo's, so maybe I just don't get how to gear properly in these games.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mercury-1389/hero/3272982

Trying for a WW build; if I can get things up and running I can do okay, but I still die a hell of a lot and getting the WW going is really difficult.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. No budget (< 1 million); been farming for days and haven't found anything worth selling.

On August 28 2012 23:21 Razith wrote:
Okay so I've tried on my own for a while but I've never played ARPG's before, or any Diablo's, so maybe I just don't get how to gear properly in these games.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mercury-1389/hero/3272982

Trying for a WW build; if I can get things up and running I can do okay, but I still die a hell of a lot and getting the WW going is really difficult.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. No budget (< 1 million); been farming for days and haven't found anything worth selling.

On August 28 2012 23:47 Hairy wrote:

Your crit chance is really low... ~35%? It's hard to tell from these bnet profiles. You need more crit; it will make everything a lot easier. You have no crit on your helm, bracers, or rings. As a quick fix, as you're on a budget, I'd recommend just getting a blue necklace with big stamina and ~8% crit. These should be fairly cheap. It's also completely viable to do the build using a shield! Shields can have huge crit% on them (up to 10%), and they also provide a large amount of mitigation, so you'll be a lot more robust. If you grabbed an ~8% crit shield, and an ~8% crit amulet, that would bring you up to a very comfortable 50% crit, which I'm confident you'll find much better.

I note that you've also got crit damage on your rings. I think this is a mistake, for your current level of gear. Crit damage is for when you are "fully functional", and just want to increase your damage (it does nothing else for you). I'd recommend avoiding crit damage for the time being, and getting crit% or attack speed instead.

You may also want to try out Leap + Iron Impact, instead of overpower. The most risky part of most battles is the start, before you have tornadoes giving you massive healing. Leap makes this easy, as you just leap straight into the middle of enemies and are invincible for 4 seconds. It also generates you fury, which makes initiating easier from the fury POV too. Once you have better gear, and more experience, you may wish to revisit Overpower.

With a few small changes you should be able to do just fine

On August 28 2012 23:59 Razith wrote:


Thank you so much! Will definitely give these changes a try. I actually think I have a shield with crit on it sitting around somewhere so I'll throw that on and grab the neck as you suggested. Will my LoH suffer too much though? or will the increase in crit be a lot more comfortable? Sometimes I run out of fury when the mob numbers get low, so tornado #'s severely drop off.

On August 28 2012 15:35 Hairy wrote:

You should focus towards using your enchantress and giving her some gear!
She gives you 15% armour bonus and 3% attack speed due to her abilities, and if you equip her with MF stuff you get 20% of it yourself.

Apart from that, you've got yourself some pretty spectacular gear. My main concern is your health; 37.8k health looks low to me. With a bit more health everything is going to be a lot more comfortable. As far as slots to improve....

Your necklace. The same neck, but with str and vit, would be much better.
I'm not at all convinced by the shoulders; I've seen much better rare ones (more strength/vitality AND 10% life).
Your gloves have superb 'special' stats, but lack as much str / vitality as would be preferred for a truly top tier item.
Your helm is great, but I absolutely adore the proc on mine (Andariel's Visage). Worth a try, if you have spare cash.
Not much to suggest, really. If you want to splash out, an offhand with higher DPS will help. Bear in mind that it's only going to contribute ~10-20% of your overall damage when considering upgrades.

With all that out of the way.... how is the barb to play? You having fun with him?

On August 29 2012 00:55 NTTemplar wrote:
I "sorta" downgraded my neck, my new one lack crit dmg, and got less crit chance, but a little more attack speed and 600 life on hit along with 120 or so vit. (putting me at 42k hp)

My neck was my wiz old one, given it back to her for now :p

I wanted LoH to free up the LoH on my rings, I should now have 1400 or so LoH after I remove rings LoH. Wondering if you think it is a decent choice or if I should stick to the old neck.

I am also looking for new gloves as they as well were my wiz old ones. Wondering which stats you would tune down/up, I suppose up on str, vit, but no clue about down on.

Will definetly look for upgrades for my shoulder then, I suppose 200+ str, 100+ vit and 10% life along with same AR?

Also having great great fun playing him ! way more so than I ever did with my wiz :p

edit: also wondering what stats I should aim for on rings, as I bought the neck to make getting a good couple of rings more doable :p