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On July 11 2012 20:55 Sylvr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 17:37 nonsequitur wrote:
Use Thrive on Chaos (+1s every 25 fury) for WotB. It's essential for the build to work as it allows you to keep sprinting/wwing when you face packs with CC affixes like Jailer/Frozen Awesome. I was leaning toward that end. Also, in the version of the build I saw, the guy ran Overwhelm, and didn't have any fury generator/basic attack set (In other words, no Frenzy)... Was this just some gimmick build that he used for that video, or can you really get away with only Warcry to give you fury? I mean, it looked like it would be amazing once you were up and running, but I'm worried about those times when there are few mobs to keep your fury up...
I run the overwhelm build. The reason it's great is:
- While overpower is active, you take 30% less damage
- While overpower is active, every time you take a hit you get benefit from your LOH
- With enough LOH, some magic like plague / molten HEAL you
- It does damage
- With enough crit, you can keep this buff up permanently
It's completely plausible to use the build with only Warcry as your fury generator. Just pop Warcry and Battle Rage, run up to the enemy and overpower. If you crit and have enough fury to sprint, excellent! If not, either stand still and take a few hits (single/few mobs), or start spamming your whirlwind attack (lots of mobs). You will keep swapping between autoattacks and a tiny moment of whirlwind, but very quickly you will get a decent whirlwind crit and have the fury to sprint - then off you zoom! :D
In reality, once you've got fury you just KEEP GOING. If you can engage the next group of mobs before you run out of fury you don't even have these issues. The side effect of this is that your farming turns into a crazy non-stop rampage, and you have incentive to constantly rush from group to group. I've kept up WOTB for minutes because I was just non-stop killing.
It takes practice, but I enjoy it a lot.
EDIT: my build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#hQUPik!ZYe!ZbZcYc
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I see...
I tried the build with Overpower (ha, my typo last night was contagious!) when I got home before you made your post, and I just kept fumbling with my abilities because I didn't understand what order you had to use them to get the ball rolling. I then tried the same build, but with Frenzy instead of Overpower, and I blew through mobs easier than ever before. Now that I've had a bit of practice keeping Battle Rage up and using Sprint + WW as soon as I get enough fury, and with your advice about how to use Overpower to get some Fury (I was uing the wrong rune), I think I might be able to pull it off.
Are Sprint tornados based on distance traveled as I suspect they are? I haven't formally tested it, but when I tried to run a different WW Rune, it seemed like I wasn't popping as many tornados simply because I wasn't moving far enough in the duration. It's a shame if I'm stuck with Hurricane, as some of the other runes would just be so nice...
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Swapping out Superstition for Unforgiving (the passive that means your fury slowly accumulates instead of degenerating) is great for fury, but I would suggest AGAINST this for build newbies because you won't learn proper fury management with it.
On July 12 2012 04:42 Sylvr wrote:
Are Sprint tornados based on distance traveled as I suspect they are? I haven't formally tested it, but when I tried to run a different WW Rune, it seemed like I wasn't popping as many tornados simply because I wasn't moving far enough in the duration. It's a shame if I'm stuck with Hurricane, as some of the other runes would just be so nice...
Yes. Tornadoes are spawned partially depending on how far you travel, but also they spawn more frequently when you travel in erratic paths (eg turning sharp angular corners while running are almost guaranteed to spawn a tornado). The Hurricane rune is best because it means you continue to spawn sprint's tornadoes at a fast rate, which are actually your primary source of damage and fury. Feel free to experiment, but I would recommend the Hurricane rune 
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Superstition reduces damage from mob affixes? (molten/arcane/plagued/etc.)
How about Threatening Shout with Intimidate rune? Does that only reduce actual enemy attack?
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Does anyone have a good! barbarian dps calculator, where I can input all my stats then see what exactly each stat does for me when improving gear, I'm shopping around for really good gear at this point and I don't really want to buy something and find out it was a mistake.. I've tried using zraves spreadsheet but it's not really exactly what I'm looking for, looking for something more detailed.
(I guess it doesn't have to be specific to barbarians, as long as it's pretty good :D)
Also, I have 10% frenzy damage and 4% elite damage, at what point are these bonuses added, should I just multiply my total dps on character sheet by 110%(frenzy does 110% dmg, and then multiply by 14% for the frenzy and elite damage?)
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On July 12 2012 09:57 trinxified wrote:
Superstition reduces damage from mob affixes? (molten/arcane/plagued/etc.)
Yes. It also gives you fury!
How about Threatening Shout with Intimidate rune? Does that only reduce actual enemy attack?
What would you swap it out for? I wouldn't consider it to be as good as Overpower, even if Threatening Shout reduces all damage. The problem is its rather small AOE and the 15 second cooldown (long). The times Threatening Shout will be most effective is where you can hit a lot of mobs with it at once; the exact situation that Overpower will be readily available (and I'd consider the Overpower buff to be stronger).
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On July 12 2012 11:25 BlueBird. wrote:
Does anyone have a good! barbarian dps calculator, where I can input all my stats then see what exactly each stat does for me when improving gear, I'm shopping around for really good gear at this point and I don't really want to buy something and find out it was a mistake.. I've tried using zraves spreadsheet but it's not really exactly what I'm looking for, looking for something more detailed.
(I guess it doesn't have to be specific to barbarians, as long as it's pretty good :D)
Also, I have 10% frenzy damage and 4% elite damage, at what point are these bonuses added, should I just multiply my total dps on character sheet by 110%(frenzy does 110% dmg, and then multiply by 14% for the frenzy and elite damage?)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai4XixeUPTKLdFczZzZGLWFrZzVYb1ZnTm1CVjYzamc#gid=0
That's one of my favorite spreadsheets at the moment - it is very useful because it has all the right comparisons (damage, EHP, and even gold spent per EHP/damage gained) and works for all classes.
It's also one of the few that is still being continuously updated - the author just added a page for Demon Hunter skills yesterday and I think he will continue to add skill pages so that you can account for abilities that use your damage differently.
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I can't really work the spreadsheet :/ I put in all my stats, but I don't really understand what I'm doing with the "Stats Info" page. Also, it doesn't seem to be counting my offhand weapon, as it's N/A on that page and it hasn't applied the 15% attack speed DW bonus!
I suppose it's giving me some reasonably useful (and sensible) numbers for the DPS benefit of various stats; one point of [STAT] provides me with:
[Strength]: 18.84
[Crit %]: 205.74
[Crit damage]: 33.13
[Attack speed %]: 162.59
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the calculator found at http://theasiangamer.com/ is really simple and surprisingly really good(for how simple it is). It saves your info when you click save at the bottom, and can reload it constantly to compare one item at a time. You can easily add or subtract stats to find out what dps equivalents of 1% crit, 1%crit damage, 1 main stat, min/max damage etc
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On July 12 2012 01:35 foxj wrote:
sorry for wrong post --"
im currently playing barb lv55, where can i grind fast in this level range ? since blizzard nerf and fix many levelzones it took me an age now =(
Thanks
For me lvs 52-56 were the hardest. Try just to play it, u will get there.
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On July 13 2012 02:06 mtn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 01:35 foxj wrote:
sorry for wrong post --"
im currently playing barb lv55, where can i grind fast in this level range ? since blizzard nerf and fix many levelzones it took me an age now =(
Thanks For me lvs 52-56 were the hardest. Try just to play it, u will get there.
The easiest way is to look for lvl60 items with "Reduce requirement level" stats, you can find some amazing gear for mid 50s (like a 500dps one hander or 800dps two hander, or relatively high str/vit/AR, which can't even be found on lower item) for dirt cheap price, make solo grind A4 hell a breeze.
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On July 12 2012 20:20 Hairy wrote:
I can't really work the spreadsheet :/ I put in all my stats, but I don't really understand what I'm doing with the "Stats Info" page. Also, it doesn't seem to be counting my offhand weapon, as it's N/A on that page and it hasn't applied the 15% attack speed DW bonus!
I suppose it's giving me some reasonably useful (and sensible) numbers for the DPS benefit of various stats; one point of [STAT] provides me with:
[Strength]: 18.84
[Crit %]: 205.74
[Crit damage]: 33.13
[Attack speed %]: 162.59
I think that's what 1 of each would add to your DPS:
1 extra STR would give you 18.84 dps
1 extra Crit% 205
etc
etc
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On July 13 2012 02:53 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:06 mtn wrote:On July 12 2012 01:35 foxj wrote:
sorry for wrong post --"
im currently playing barb lv55, where can i grind fast in this level range ? since blizzard nerf and fix many levelzones it took me an age now =(
Thanks For me lvs 52-56 were the hardest. Try just to play it, u will get there. The easiest way is to look for lvl60 items with "Reduce requirement level" stats, you can find some amazing gear for mid 50s (like a 500dps one hander or 800dps two hander, or relatively high str/vit/AR, which can't even be found on lower item) for dirt cheap price, make solo grind A4 hell a breeze.
This is exactly what happened to me. I was around the low to mid 50s, progress was really slow - so I invested in really cheapl level 60+ reduced level requirement gear. Then the game was a breeze, at least for a little while
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On July 13 2012 02:53 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:06 mtn wrote:On July 12 2012 01:35 foxj wrote:
sorry for wrong post --"
im currently playing barb lv55, where can i grind fast in this level range ? since blizzard nerf and fix many levelzones it took me an age now =(
Thanks For me lvs 52-56 were the hardest. Try just to play it, u will get there. The easiest way is to look for lvl60 items with "Reduce requirement level" stats, you can find some amazing gear for mid 50s (like a 500dps one hander or 800dps two hander, or relatively high str/vit/AR, which can't even be found on lower item) for dirt cheap price, make solo grind A4 hell a breeze.
or just search for the stuff you want and then sort by dps or only show high stat items. whats the point of a reduced level chest that only has 30 of each stat and 1 socket?
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On July 13 2012 03:15 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:53 ragz_gt wrote:On July 13 2012 02:06 mtn wrote:On July 12 2012 01:35 foxj wrote:
sorry for wrong post --"
im currently playing barb lv55, where can i grind fast in this level range ? since blizzard nerf and fix many levelzones it took me an age now =(
Thanks For me lvs 52-56 were the hardest. Try just to play it, u will get there. The easiest way is to look for lvl60 items with "Reduce requirement level" stats, you can find some amazing gear for mid 50s (like a 500dps one hander or 800dps two hander, or relatively high str/vit/AR, which can't even be found on lower item) for dirt cheap price, make solo grind A4 hell a breeze. or just search for the stuff you want and then sort by dps or only show high stat items. whats the point of a reduced level chest that only has 30 of each stat and 1 socket?
So you sit looking through hundreds of items to try and find the 5% that have the "reduced level requirement" stat, instead of just choosing it as a filter option? Sounds like a really efficient way to search!
EDIT: sorry, was being a jerk.
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I guess he means, why not just set the level requirement range to 55 or something if you're level 55, since you're using up a search slot that could be used for other attributes. I found that doing it this way didn't pull up good deals - even shitty level 60 items are a hell of a lot better than the low level 50'ish stuff (for example), and to my knowledge, the search filter doesn't properly account for level requirement reduction attribute.
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Yeah, items with reduced level requirements won't show up unless you set your search filter to show level 60s.
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I'm looking for some advice again. I've solo'd Diablo and I'm currently easily farming Act2. I've always used a tanky 1h+shield build but I just found a new weapon (in screenshot below) so I am thinking of switching it up. With this spear, I feel that a different build (maybe throwing weapon) might be more farm-efficient than trying to maximize DPS yet remain tanky.
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I don't think I spent more than a couple mil on any piece of equipment so I know they're not good. Furthermore, there's no real synergy due to the gradual switch from full-tank to DPS. I've sort of been fooling around while trying to gain more passive MF so that I'm prepared for the patch on that front.
I'm thinking switching out the boots, belt, necklace, and shield wouldn't be too hard in order to do a throwing build. The boots for movement speed, the belt for -fury, the necklace for higher crit chance and damage, and a second crit weapon. I'd follow that up by eventually getting more suitable gloves and helm: crit chance again.
In summary, I'm trying to figure out what build I should transition into and would best utilize my weapon. I don't know what is required for a ww/sprint build or overwhelm or dual-wielding in general.
P.S. I've got a decent SoE and a 300 vit, 80 str, 10% life amulet that I posted earlier in the thread. I don't mind switching around equipment and I have at least 15mil in capital that I can work with.
Edit: Tried weapon throw with ~51% crit chance and a -4 frenzy belt that I bought for 50k. Only seems to deal much more DPS if you trade off all of your survivability for strength affixes on items. Maybe I'll try dual-wielding?
Edit2: I just sold it for $250 instead. It wasn't all that much more DPS than my other weapon and I'd rather have the money than "the best" items. I can farm equally well with my current stuff whenever I want to play.
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im currently selling off all my functional mf gear and ill have ~100m to spend on a dual weild dps build (i still have 2 weapons both with crit, str and life steal, no other gear) are there any legendarys i should keep my eyes on to get i was thinking of getting a 3 socket tyraels might if i can find one reasonably priced and maaaaybe if i can find the right immortal kings belt or lamentation but otherwise hoc, soe, justice lantern, etc all seem like theyre sacrificing too much to make up for their defensive benefits? mb ouroboros?
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I was tempted to try and get Natalya's boots + ring (a demon hunter armour set), as they can be quite barbarian-ey. The 2 piece set bonus is 7% crit, which is very appealing. The rings are so stupidly expensive I don't think I'll bother, though.
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