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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:36 Lylat wrote: I don't understand, I still can't do act3 with my barb.. I have (when buffed) 43k hp, 19k dps, 10k armor, 650+ AR (750 arcanic & lightning), 1200 LoH. Should I keep farming act1 ? I'm so bored right now I can't find a single good item and I can't stand doing act1 over and over :/ You have equivalent stats to me on my barb (you have 4k less health and 2k less DPS, but 3.5k more armour), and 2 days ago I just rampaged through act 3 & 4 and killed diablo. I didn't skip too many packs, either. Using the 'double whirlwind' build: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4797400513 | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
I currently have 400 but I am only doing 12k dps, but weapons with LOH are very expensive. I figured I could buy a cheap blue weapon for 50k with a socket, and socket in 60 LOH. This would significantly upgrade my DPS. But not sure how it would affect survivability. Currently can do act 2, doing the standard tank build, furious charge/dreadnought, ignore pain/increased duration rune, leap/iron impact, war cry/impunity. Should I ditch the extra LOH on my weapon and go for more damage? Act 2 takes FOREVER. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Trang
Australia324 Posts
Seems like everyone is trying the double tornado build these days, so I'm finding it harder to find what people still think of tanky DPS sword and board barbs that don't rely on LoH. I haven't been reading up for the past couple weeks so I'm behind on what the prevailing wisdom is. I'm hitting the point in gear where I will probably have to start spending on big ticket items for gains significant enough to be worth spending $20M+. Can I ask for some opinions on where I should be aiming next in terms of gear/build? This is my current skill build (might be out dated because I haven't changed it since before 1.03): http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WVSikP!ZVb!accacZ These are my stats and gear: http://i.imgur.com/2MROn.jpg As you can see I'm achieving 73.5k HP, 900 All Res, 13.5k Armor, 46% block and 40k DPS, using Ruthless/Warcry/Marauder's Rage --- this is before WotB. However, I have ZERO LoH, Lifesteal or Life/sec. This is usually sufficient for farming the majority of Act 3 elites without dying, but sometimes I get in a tough spot when my Furious Charge is on cooldown, I'm getting unlucky with Revenge proc and I'm walled inside some DoT effects. I'm thinking my shoulders and shield need an upgrade first. However, if you think of % life as roughly 10 VIT in terms of EHP, anything that's going to give me a net gain of about 20-30 points in combined STR/VIT/RES is costing about $15M in the AH at a minimum. So it doesn't seem like a cost efficient slot to upgrade right now. I can find decent shields in the AH, but anything with around 27-29% block, ~70 RES and some extra STR/VIT/CRIT is going to cost me at least $50M. I've always liked being barb that is reliable tanky DPS, rather than something like a full tank or full DPS relying solely on LoH and other sustain methods. I also think this style will suit me when PvP comes out (but who knows how it will turn out, really). Bearing this in mind, which direction do you guys think I should put my efforts toward at the moment? Thanks in advance | ||
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WaZ
United States108 Posts
as far as gear goes i *think* the belt would be the cheapest to upgrade and as far as the shoulders you could get away with going for the same stats with a higher life % for not tooo much more | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Have you considered dropping some of the defensive stats on the shield in favour of getting some DPS? You can get shields with 10% crit (!), that, with your stats, would give roughly 1650 DPS (my maths was rushed, don't rely on that  . It's just looking a bit bare in terms of stats. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Despite what the two above said, I don't think you'll be finding an overall better belt for under 100mil or anytime soon at all. 477 armor and 237 str is high for a belt. | ||
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Trang
Australia324 Posts
On July 11 2012 15:15 WaZ wrote: i was using the exact same build as you and one thing i recently did was change battle rage to overpower- crushing advance and then one of my armor passives to a dps passive still lost some dps but my survivabilty went up a ton im doing a weird dual weild functional mf and lifesteal build on act2 so i know its not the same thing but may be worth a try as far as gear goes i *think* the belt would be the cheapest to upgrade and as far as the shoulders you could get away with going for the same stats with a higher life % for not tooo much more Hmm, interesting, I will give overpower a go when I get the chance and see how it goes. I'll try in place of Battlerage, and I'll also try it in place of Furious Charge and see how it goes. On July 11 2012 15:28 Hairy wrote: Crazy nice barb, GJ. Only thing I noticed is that your belt has no %life on it; I think you could upgrade there without breaking the bank (though its existing stats area already very good). Also, I'm sure each point of %life is better than 10 vitality for you, as I calculated mine to be ~13 and I have a chunk less vitality! Have you considered dropping some of the defensive stats on the shield in favour of getting some DPS? You can get shields with 10% crit (!), that, with your stats, would give roughly 1650 DPS (my maths was rushed, don't rely on that . It's just looking a bit bare in terms of stats.On July 11 2012 15:48 skyR wrote: Your gear is amazing and I think any worthwhile upgrade would be well over 100mil. The shield is by far the weakest though so work on that first definitely. Despite what the two above said, I don't think you'll be finding an overall better belt for under 100mil or anytime soon at all. 477 armor and 237 str is high for a belt. Hmm, yeah the belt was also one I thought I might be able to find an improvement on by getting some % life on it. If only the AH lets you search more than 3 preferred stats, because it takes ages to find some of this high end gear! Hairy, You're right that at the moment with my stats 1% life is about 13 vitality --- I just did the calculations, which I haven't done for a couple weeks. That makes it even harder to find a shoulder that is better enough to spend gold on unless it has % life on it too. Unforunately for me, I think AH sellers are starting to catch on that gear with VIT and % life is valuable, which probably ties in with what skyR said about the cost of upgrading my belt. I've also thought about dropping some RES on my shield for DPS. The thing I find hard to weigh up is block chance. It's the part which is hardest to quantify, and I can't find any good suggested methods of quantifying it with respect to EHP yet. I'm not sure if I should forego some block chance for extra stats (VIT/STR/CRIT). Anyone have opinions on block chance? | ||
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pedduck
Thailand468 Posts
On July 11 2012 14:52 Trang wrote: Hi TLers Seems like everyone is trying the double tornado build these days, so I'm finding it harder to find what people still think of tanky DPS sword and board barbs that don't rely on LoH. I haven't been reading up for the past couple weeks so I'm behind on what the prevailing wisdom is. I'm hitting the point in gear where I will probably have to start spending on big ticket items for gains significant enough to be worth spending $20M+. Can I ask for some opinions on where I should be aiming next in terms of gear/build? This is my current skill build (might be out dated because I haven't changed it since before 1.03): http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WVSikP!ZVb!accacZ These are my stats and gear: http://i.imgur.com/2MROn.jpg As you can see I'm achieving 73.5k HP, 900 All Res, 13.5k Armor, 46% block and 40k DPS, using Ruthless/Warcry/Marauder's Rage --- this is before WotB. However, I have ZERO LoH, Lifesteal or Life/sec. This is usually sufficient for farming the majority of Act 3 elites without dying, but sometimes I get in a tough spot when my Furious Charge is on cooldown, I'm getting unlucky with Revenge proc and I'm walled inside some DoT effects. I'm thinking my shoulders and shield need an upgrade first. However, if you think of % life as roughly 10 VIT in terms of EHP, anything that's going to give me a net gain of about 20-30 points in combined STR/VIT/RES is costing about $15M in the AH at a minimum. So it doesn't seem like a cost efficient slot to upgrade right now. I can find decent shields in the AH, but anything with around 27-29% block, ~70 RES and some extra STR/VIT/CRIT is going to cost me at least $50M. I've always liked being barb that is reliable tanky DPS, rather than something like a full tank or full DPS relying solely on LoH and other sustain methods. I also think this style will suit me when PvP comes out (but who knows how it will turn out, really). Bearing this in mind, which direction do you guys think I should put my efforts toward at the moment? Thanks in advance 1 May I ask why do u use sidearm? I use maniac (if i am not mistaken, revenge will also do more damage when frenzy?) 2 I would use Brawler instead of ruthless as I like to have a lot of mob surround me and revenge them together with those elite (it serve as a healthglobe on demand) | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
On July 11 2012 15:54 Trang wrote: Thanks for the replies. Hairy, You're right that at the moment with my stats 1% life is about 13 vitality --- I just did the calculations, which I haven't done for a couple weeks. Um, I think you did them wrong... I would say 1% life for you is worth ~17.5 vitality. It's even better than you suspected I've also thought about dropping some RES on my shield for DPS. The thing I find hard to weigh up is block chance. It's the part which is hardest to quantify, and I can't find any good suggested methods of quantifying it with respect to EHP yet. I'm not sure if I should forego some block chance for extra stats (VIT/STR/CRIT). Anyone have opinions on block chance? No idea, I'm afraid - I haven't used a shield since I was in act 1 fresh on inferno. And you have a very different playstyle/build to mine! I would suggest, though, that you could probably afford to lose a few % of block. Your block % is very high right now, so it's much more comfortable to lose 10% block if you're going from 50% --> 40% than it is going from 20% --> 10%. Gaining all those other stats may make it worth it overall | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
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nonsequitur
384 Posts
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Trang
Australia324 Posts
On July 11 2012 16:48 pedduck wrote: 1 May I ask why do u use sidearm? I use maniac (if i am not mistaken, revenge will also do more damage when frenzy?) 2 I would use Brawler instead of ruthless as I like to have a lot of mob surround me and revenge them together with those elite (it serve as a healthglobe on demand) Pedduck, the way things tend to pan out for me is that the hardest fights are those elite fights where there are few trash mobs around. When there are many trash mobs, sustain is very easy using Revenge alone --- and I have zero LoH, Life Steal and Life/sec --- and the occasional Furious Charge when you get unlucky with Revenge procs. The last sentence is only true of course if you have sufficient tankiness, otherwise you WILL need some form of LoH or something. So it's when I'm fighting the elite packs without trash mobs, or the trash mobs are already dead, that is more of a challenge. With that in mind, my answer to your two questions are: 1. I heard Side Arm does more single target DPS than Maniac. Don't quote me on this, because I'm relying off somebody else's calculations. And the extra damage to secondary targets from Side Arm is probably enough to make up for the small boost to Revenge (which doesn't proc all that much when there are no trash mobs anyway). 2. Brawler isn't as useful for me, as it only makes me stronger in the easy parts of the fight, but doesn't help me in the harder parts. But I'm always open to improvement, so if you think there are better reasons to use different abilities please do tell | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
On July 11 2012 17:37 nonsequitur wrote: Use Thrive on Chaos (+1s every 25 fury) for WotB. It's essential for the build to work as it allows you to keep sprinting/wwing when you face packs with CC affixes like Jailer/Frozen Awesome. I was leaning toward that end. Also, in the version of the build I saw, the guy ran Overwhelm, and didn't have any fury generator/basic attack set (In other words, no Frenzy)... Was this just some gimmick build that he used for that video, or can you really get away with only Warcry to give you fury? I mean, it looked like it would be amazing once you were up and running, but I'm worried about those times when there are few mobs to keep your fury up... | ||
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Trang
Australia324 Posts
On July 11 2012 20:55 Sylvr wrote: Awesome. I was leaning toward that end. Also, in the version of the build I saw, the guy ran Overwhelm, and didn't have any fury generator/basic attack set (In other words, no Frenzy)... Was this just some gimmick build that he used for that video, or can you really get away with only Warcry to give you fury? I mean, it looked like it would be amazing once you were up and running, but I'm worried about those times when there are few mobs to keep your fury up... You will need a really high crit chance in order to build up your fury up from a Warcry. The crit chance will also be vital to being able to have Overwhelm cool down quickly so that it is up permanently. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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nonsequitur
384 Posts
On July 11 2012 20:55 Sylvr wrote: Awesome. I was leaning toward that end. Also, in the version of the build I saw, the guy ran Overwhelm, and didn't have any fury generator/basic attack set (In other words, no Frenzy)... Was this just some gimmick build that he used for that video, or can you really get away with only Warcry to give you fury? I mean, it looked like it would be amazing once you were up and running, but I'm worried about those times when there are few mobs to keep your fury up... It does take a while to get used to but Overpower (with Crushing Advance) is superior to Leap once you get the hang of it. The way you get going is Warcry -> Battle Rage -> stand in range of a few mobs and pop Overpower. Then just let the mobs hit you until you gain enough fury for Sprint. If you find yourself having problems generating fury, you might want to consider using a Mighty Weapon in your main-hand for the 3 fury/hit from the Weapon Mastery passive. Alternatively, instead of using Overpower you can also try Leap (with Iron Impact). This will be easier to get enough fury to get going but you trade survivability for it. Keep in mind you'll have to land on a mob to generate fury from Leap. You really don't need a fury generator with the sprint/ww build. You'll wish you have it the first few times you mismanage your fury but once you play with Overpower/Leap for a bit you'll see its really much better. For reference, this is the build I use to farm A3. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#hQUkPi!ZYb!ZbZccY | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Taefox
1533 Posts
im currently playing barb lv55, where can i grind fast in this level range ? since blizzard nerf and fix many levelzones it took me an age now =( Thanks | ||
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