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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
July 03 2012 16:16 GMT
#2221
if they nerf anything for barbs, the class will be unplayable because it will be too boring.
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Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 16:30:11
July 03 2012 16:29 GMT
#2222
On July 04 2012 01:08 matiK23 wrote:
Is there a source where blizzard said they would nerf how sprint/ww works? People keep predicting it and it's annoying. Finally barbs can branch out to dps and these mad demon hunters are crying nerf. It's not like it's a herp derp hold left click mouse button build, and there is a chance for you to fuck up and not generate fury. I thought diablo was all about finding builds that synergies well.

I've been nervously reading around, and haven't seen anything official on the subject. The build requires care to use, it's very different from how many other builds play, and you also have to change keybinds around for it to be possible in the first place. I've read lots of posts from people who have tried and failed (or are doing badly with far better gear than me) so I do believe it requires a moderate amount of skill to pull off. I think it'd be a real shame if it were nerfed, but we'll see what happens. My concern is that they do some heavy-handed change and make it totally useless, but I'd be ok with a change that prevented barbs from taking down massive swarms of enemies (eg 3+ champion packs + whites simultaneously).
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WaZ
Profile Joined December 2010
United States108 Posts
July 03 2012 22:53 GMT
#2223
now that i recently beat diablo solo with a standard tank build ive been thinking about a few different builds to possibly change to to keep the game fun is it possible to do a crit/range type of build except using seismic slam instead of weapon throw or does the 15 fury after the reduction rune just cost too much?
Coolness53
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
July 04 2012 00:41 GMT
#2224
On July 04 2012 01:09 skyR wrote:
If they nerf anything for barbs, it's going to be Frenzy lol.


I hope they don't nerf Frenzy .
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Resolve
Profile Joined August 2010
Singapore679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 10:29:06
July 04 2012 10:15 GMT
#2225
I need help with my barbarian to kill inferno diablo solo. I just created this character for achievements and levelled to 60 using overpowered gear (reduced lvl req). I kind of skipped Inferno (only did last quests of each act) so, I have absolutely no idea how this class is supposed to work. I tried reading through the thread a bit but most of the recent talk is about the ww/sprint barbarian which requires crit gear and I don't have any. Apparently diablo is supposed to be a faceroll (?) but somehow I get killed by my clone in phase 2 (lol). I am hesitant to spend gold on this guy on upgrades because I don't think I'll play much on this character later. Most of my equipment are self found or some cheap thing from the AH so they might be bad, but I figured they should be enough for this fight. Here are my stats and equipment (unbuffed):
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Summary: I need a nice working build and maybe some tips on solo inferno diablo or criticism on my gear. Sorry for being bad :p
zylog
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada943 Posts
July 04 2012 10:59 GMT
#2226
On July 04 2012 19:15 Resolve wrote:
I need help with my barbarian to kill inferno diablo solo. I just created this character for achievements and levelled to 60 using overpowered gear (reduced lvl req). I kind of skipped Inferno (only did last quests of each act) so, I have absolutely no idea how this class is supposed to work. I tried reading through the thread a bit but most of the recent talk is about the ww/sprint barbarian which requires crit gear and I don't have any. Apparently diablo is supposed to be a faceroll (?) but somehow I get killed by my clone in phase 2 (lol). I am hesitant to spend gold on this guy on upgrades because I don't think I'll play much on this character later. Most of my equipment are self found or some cheap thing from the AH so they might be bad, but I figured they should be enough for this fight. Here are my stats and equipment (unbuffed):
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Summary: I need a nice working build and maybe some tips on solo inferno diablo or criticism on my gear. Sorry for being bad :p


If you only need to kill diablo without worrying about getting 5 stacks, you can totally put together a build for that purpose. Something like this should work:
Frenzy Sidearm - basic attack
Sprint Marathon - so you can run around whenever the clone is around and also to avoid the bone traps
War Cry Impunity - extra armour and resists
Leap Iron Impact - short term armour buff and you can use it to jump over diablo when she commits to slow attack so you can get some hits from behind
WotB Insanity - for a huge short term buff to damage

The final active skill can be either battle rage or ignore pain depending if you want more dps or more defense. Same thing for the passives: you can go with nerves of steel, tough as nails and superstition for heavy defense or swap in weapon master or ruthless for a bit more damage.

WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 04 2012 21:00 GMT
#2227
Trying to tank my way through Inferno, and I'm trying to figure out the "minimum" gear required. Currently at:

9500 DPS
880 LoH
10500 Armor (with Warcry)
800 RA/900 Phys (with Impunity)
40k HP

Is it doable, or do I need to improve my stats a little?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
ballasdontcry
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 21:17:24
July 04 2012 21:16 GMT
#2228
On July 05 2012 06:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Trying to tank my way through Inferno, and I'm trying to figure out the "minimum" gear required. Currently at:

9500 DPS
880 LoH
10500 Armor (with Warcry)
800 RA/900 Phys (with Impunity)
40k HP

Is it doable, or do I need to improve my stats a little?

i would ditch some all res and get more damage while trying to keep the health at around the same level. you can survive at later acts in inferno with those stats but you'll take forever to kill stuff.

a3 is doable with 600 all res and 40k hp, and i have about 23k dps unbuffed with a sword and board.
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
July 04 2012 21:33 GMT
#2229
On July 05 2012 06:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Trying to tank my way through Inferno, and I'm trying to figure out the "minimum" gear required. Currently at:

9500 DPS
880 LoH
10500 Armor (with Warcry)
800 RA/900 Phys (with Impunity)
40k HP

Is it doable, or do I need to improve my stats a little?

Pretty sure Kripparrian was able to clear Inferno with similar gear (I think he had less damage as well).
Xanczor
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States254 Posts
July 05 2012 08:48 GMT
#2230
I have a question:

If I'm using the Thrive on Chaos Rune for Wrath of the Berserker (every 25 fury gained while in WOTB adds 1 sec to the duration), and I also use the passive unforgiving (regen 1 fury every 2 secs), does the fury gained from the passive contribute to the duration of WOTB?
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nonsequitur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
384 Posts
July 05 2012 09:21 GMT
#2231
On July 05 2012 17:48 Xanczor wrote:
I have a question:

If I'm using the Thrive on Chaos Rune for Wrath of the Berserker (every 25 fury gained while in WOTB adds 1 sec to the duration), and I also use the passive unforgiving (regen 1 fury every 2 secs), does the fury gained from the passive contribute to the duration of WOTB?


I don't see why not, fury is fury. But keep in mind you actually have to be gaining fury for Thrive on Chaos to take effect. If you are at max fury, any fury you generate won't count towards the 25 fury needed.
zylog
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada943 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#2232
On July 05 2012 17:48 Xanczor wrote:
I have a question:

If I'm using the Thrive on Chaos Rune for Wrath of the Berserker (every 25 fury gained while in WOTB adds 1 sec to the duration), and I also use the passive unforgiving (regen 1 fury every 2 secs), does the fury gained from the passive contribute to the duration of WOTB?

It probably does, but the rate of fury regen is so slow that WotB would be done for 35s by the time you accumulated enough fury for 1 extra second. At the moment I think Into the Fray + Run Like the Wind is the best way to keep up fury production.
Setev
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Malaysia390 Posts
July 05 2012 12:02 GMT
#2233
Guys, for perma-Berzerker mode, check out this video of this guy:

He claimed to do it with "cheap" gears.

And:

I'm the King Of Nerds
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 16:15:45
July 05 2012 13:54 GMT
#2234
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On July 05 2012 21:02 Setev wrote:
Guys, for perma-Berzerker mode, check out this video of this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hAfXfHAC5Y
He claimed to do it with "cheap" gears.

And: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nayhzdLGKo&feature=relmfu


He has 70k DPS, 56% crit, and +600% crit damage. I don't think gear of that caliber comes "cheap."

edit: apologies, I was referring to Kripp's Sprint/WW build
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
July 05 2012 15:01 GMT
#2235
On July 05 2012 19:31 zylog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 17:48 Xanczor wrote:
I have a question:

If I'm using the Thrive on Chaos Rune for Wrath of the Berserker (every 25 fury gained while in WOTB adds 1 sec to the duration), and I also use the passive unforgiving (regen 1 fury every 2 secs), does the fury gained from the passive contribute to the duration of WOTB?

It probably does, but the rate of fury regen is so slow that WotB would be done for 35s by the time you accumulated enough fury for 1 extra second. At the moment I think Into the Fray + Run Like the Wind is the best way to keep up fury production.


If you want fury, you want Crit+Battle Rage(ItF).

There are other less-explored options, like Attack Speed+Mighty Weapon with Weapon Master. I'm thinking of trying that since I'm dual wielding with a mighty weapon main hand. I'd need a fury spender for that also, and Hammer of the Ancients seems like a solid pick.
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 17:46:23
July 05 2012 17:46 GMT
#2236
On July 04 2012 01:08 matiK23 wrote:
Is there a source where blizzard said they would nerf how sprint/ww works? People keep predicting it and it's annoying. Finally barbs can branch out to dps and these mad demon hunters are crying nerf. It's not like it's a herp derp hold left click mouse button build, and there is a chance for you to fuck up and not generate fury. I thought diablo was all about finding builds that synergies well.


i think you dont understand how hard the patch hit dhs. the nerf to nether tentacles robbed dhs off about 30-50% of their previous damage.
yes, nt prenerf was overpowered, but so is run like the wind in its current state.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
zomgE
Profile Joined January 2012
498 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 19:13:15
July 05 2012 19:11 GMT
#2237
On July 06 2012 02:46 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 01:08 matiK23 wrote:
Is there a source where blizzard said they would nerf how sprint/ww works? People keep predicting it and it's annoying. Finally barbs can branch out to dps and these mad demon hunters are crying nerf. It's not like it's a herp derp hold left click mouse button build, and there is a chance for you to fuck up and not generate fury. I thought diablo was all about finding builds that synergies well.


i think you dont understand how hard the patch hit dhs. the nerf to nether tentacles robbed dhs off about 30-50% of their previous damage.
yes, nt prenerf was overpowered, but so is run like the wind in its current state.

if u want to point out something op from those 2 videos its the reflect from overpower..no way u can do that without it with that gear
also nerfing the only(?) fast barbarian build would be pretty silly. should everyone go tank?
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
July 05 2012 20:47 GMT
#2238
The thing that Blizzard stressed about D3 was viability over being optimal, which in part was why they set their class skills the way they did. Pre-patch, the majority of Barbarians were being pigeon-hold into the tank role, and to a certain degree even post patch. Right now, there is reasonably only 2 other ways that Barbarians can progress in Inferno, which is either Seismic Slam build, or Sprint/WW build. Nerfing Sprint/WW would discourage players from branching out into new builds, which Blizzard doesn't want to happen.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
July 05 2012 21:06 GMT
#2239
who says that a slight tweak to sprint/ww builds would immediately render them completely useless?
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
July 05 2012 22:11 GMT
#2240
On July 06 2012 06:06 Black Gun wrote:
who says that a slight tweak to sprint/ww builds would immediately render them completely useless?


I didn't say it would be immediately useless, I said that it would be a slight discouragement for Barbarians to pursue the build.
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