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On June 22 2012 20:15 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 20:07 turdburgler wrote:On June 22 2012 15:53 matiK23 wrote:Ok so my gear: http://imgur.com/TmWA7My spec: http://imgur.com/C9YkSI know my one ring is a little weak, and my shield could use a higher block percentage,but I want to know what's really holding me back from progressing in Act 3 from destroying the ballista area and foward. Thanks in advance. your everything is a bit on the low side ;p string of ears would make a huge difference imo. even a cheap one for <1 mil can get you 13-14% melee reduction. helm of commands with all resist and vit can be as low as 1 mil too. Are these legendaries really necessary? They are so expensive, and maybe only helm of commands I can manage to cough up some gold for. It's hard to find a good one. Socket and Allres on it? Same for string of ears, justice lantern, storm shields. too much gold really.
they are better value for money than other options.
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On June 22 2012 20:15 trinxified wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2012 20:07 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 15:53 matiK23 wrote:Ok so my gear: http://imgur.com/TmWA7My spec: http://imgur.com/C9YkSI know my one ring is a little weak, and my shield could use a higher block percentage,but I want to know what's really holding me back from progressing in Act 3 from destroying the ballista area and foward. Thanks in advance. your everything is a bit on the low side ;p string of ears would make a huge difference imo. even a cheap one for <1 mil can get you 13-14% melee reduction. helm of commands with all resist and vit can be as low as 1 mil too. Are these legendaries really necessary? They are so expensive, and maybe only helm of commands I can manage to cough up some gold for. It's hard to find a good one. Socket and Allres on it? Same for string of ears, justice lantern, storm shields. too much gold really.
They are absolutely unnecessary. I was able to farm A3 Inferno pre-patch without any legendary. The problem was that so many Barbarians were forced into a tanking style that the prices for all these items sky-rocketed. Not to mention a lot of those legendaries scale better if your other gears are adequate.
With the patch in effect, it is more important to find a balance between DPS and defense rather than a big tank with sub-10k DPS.
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SoE's value in equivalent resistances is just astronomically high when you have lots of other resist/armor gear. I did the math a while earlier in the thread--at 600 resist all, a 15% SoE provides the same EHP gain vs. melee that 160 Resist All does.
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On June 23 2012 00:11 kethers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 20:15 trinxified wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2012 20:07 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 15:53 matiK23 wrote:Ok so my gear: http://imgur.com/TmWA7My spec: http://imgur.com/C9YkSI know my one ring is a little weak, and my shield could use a higher block percentage,but I want to know what's really holding me back from progressing in Act 3 from destroying the ballista area and foward. Thanks in advance. your everything is a bit on the low side ;p string of ears would make a huge difference imo. even a cheap one for <1 mil can get you 13-14% melee reduction. helm of commands with all resist and vit can be as low as 1 mil too. Are these legendaries really necessary? They are so expensive, and maybe only helm of commands I can manage to cough up some gold for. It's hard to find a good one. Socket and Allres on it? Same for string of ears, justice lantern, storm shields. too much gold really. They are absolutely unnecessary. I was able to farm A3 Inferno pre-patch without any legendary. The problem was that so many Barbarians were forced into a tanking style that the prices for all these items sky-rocketed. Not to mention a lot of those legendaries scale better if your other gears are adequate. With the patch in effect, it is more important to find a balance between DPS and defense rather than a big tank with sub-10k DPS.
Well the reason I ask is because I wanted to get more block %. My current sacred shield only has 17% block chance, but has decent rolls: 100 str, 77 vit, 76 allres, 11% life, 259 life regen.
I guess I really have to find a 29% blue sacred shield instead? I don't want to give up those bonuses I currently have.
don't know what's stopping me from progressing well in Act 3. Maybe it's the lack of LoH.
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What is it in particular that you're having problems with? Is it the champion packs and elites? Large quantities of trash mobs? Bosses?
I've always considered LoH to be fairly mediocre especially now that you can afford more damage. It's to win sustained battles against elite monsters but I wouldn't give up any valuable stat, especially not damage, for it and just take pound of flesh passive whenever I need to progress in an area with elites that can otherwise beat me in sustained fights
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On June 23 2012 00:38 Juicyfruit wrote:
What is it in particular that you're having problems with? Is it the champion packs and elites? Large quantities of trash mobs? Bosses?
Mobs are fine, it's elites/champs that are big trouble. Anytime there are poison pools, arcane enchanted, etc. that I need a bit of kiting, I will die slowly, but surely. Even waiting on EQ/WotB cooldowns won't kill them fast enough.
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On June 23 2012 00:54 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 00:38 Juicyfruit wrote:
What is it in particular that you're having problems with? Is it the champion packs and elites? Large quantities of trash mobs? Bosses? Mobs are fine, it's elites/champs that are big trouble. Anytime there are poison pools, arcane enchanted, etc. that I need a bit of kiting, I will die slowly, but surely. Even waiting on EQ/WotB cooldowns won't kill them fast enough.
I've always considered LoH to be fairly mediocre especially now that you can afford more damage. It's to win sustained battles against elite monsters but I wouldn't give up any valuable stat, especially not damage, for it and just take pound of flesh passive whenever I need to progress in an area with elites that can otherwise beat me in sustained fights.
Seems to be like you could certainly make use of the health globes better and then try to squeeze in more damage to progress through act 3.
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your helm looks like it could use improvement, i know it has armor but you should go for the ilvl 63 helm which have like 490 base armor and can have up to 80 res, then you can get one of those with socket, vit or str in addition to the res. i picked up a 79 all res 120 str 50 vit 3.5 crit helm for 1 mil
also apart from the shield your life might be low
as some other posters said you could get a helm of command to make up for the lack of block % i really dont know whats giving you trouble apart from lower str since i have similar resists if not lower but higher life and armor
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On June 23 2012 01:26 Stratos.FEAR wrote:
your helm looks like it could use improvement, i know it has armor but you should go for the ilvl 63 helm which have like 490 base armor and can have up to 80 res, then you can get one of those with socket, vit or str in addition to the res. i picked up a 79 all res 120 str 50 vit 3.5 crit helm for 1 mil
also apart from the shield your life might be low
as some other posters said you could get a helm of command to make up for the lack of block % i really dont know whats giving you trouble apart from lower str since i have similar resists if not lower but higher life and armor
Are you talking to me? I ask because a lot of other people have been asking similar help like me lol...
Here's my gear, old shoulders/bracers though: http://i.imgur.com/ffO9F.jpg
I haven't really made any upgrades other than new shoulders and bracers, but really only gave me extra Vitality.
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On June 23 2012 01:30 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 01:26 Stratos.FEAR wrote:
your helm looks like it could use improvement, i know it has armor but you should go for the ilvl 63 helm which have like 490 base armor and can have up to 80 res, then you can get one of those with socket, vit or str in addition to the res. i picked up a 79 all res 120 str 50 vit 3.5 crit helm for 1 mil
also apart from the shield your life might be low
as some other posters said you could get a helm of command to make up for the lack of block % i really dont know whats giving you trouble apart from lower str since i have similar resists if not lower but higher life and armor Are you talking to me? I ask because a lot of other people have been asking similar help like me lol... Here's my gear, old shoulders/bracers though: http://i.imgur.com/ffO9F.jpg I haven't really made any upgrades other than new shoulders and bracers, but really only gave me extra Vitality.
yeah was talking to you lol
but its weird that you cant do act 3 post 1.0.3 i had trouble beating the last end of it before the patch and then after i just blew past it save for some nasty elite affixes
maybe its the spec you have been using?
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On June 23 2012 01:19 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 00:54 trinxified wrote:On June 23 2012 00:38 Juicyfruit wrote:
What is it in particular that you're having problems with? Is it the champion packs and elites? Large quantities of trash mobs? Bosses? Mobs are fine, it's elites/champs that are big trouble. Anytime there are poison pools, arcane enchanted, etc. that I need a bit of kiting, I will die slowly, but surely. Even waiting on EQ/WotB cooldowns won't kill them fast enough. I've always considered LoH to be fairly mediocre especially now that you can afford more damage. It's to win sustained battles against elite monsters but I wouldn't give up any valuable stat, especially not damage, for it and just take pound of flesh passive whenever I need to progress in an area with elites that can otherwise beat me in sustained fights. Seems to be like you could certainly make use of the health globes better and then try to squeeze in more damage to progress through act 3.
I find it really disappointing that Life steal% is nerfed so hard, I don't get it.
LoH is great for builds where you attack really fast and it just so happened I went the other way. Slow 2H with Hammer of the Ancients. Life steal% would be PERFECT for me but it's useless.
To get 3% life steal I would have to stack 15% in items and passives. 
They said damage will keep going up but something doesn't make sense. I'm already 2-3 shotting white mobs in act 1. How much more damage should I get? Enough to 1-shot everything? At that point I won't need lifesteal%.
I got my build right where I want it, the only thing I need to make it work perfectly is some way of gaining life when Ignore Pain is on cooldown. I guess I'll just stack more armor and resists.
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You know what, I think I'm gonna try pound of flesh.
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On June 23 2012 00:54 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 00:38 Juicyfruit wrote:
What is it in particular that you're having problems with? Is it the champion packs and elites? Large quantities of trash mobs? Bosses? Mobs are fine, it's elites/champs that are big trouble. Anytime there are poison pools, arcane enchanted, etc. that I need a bit of kiting, I will die slowly, but surely. Even waiting on EQ/WotB cooldowns won't kill them fast enough.
Being as D3 is not so much skill based as it is gear based, I ran into a similar problem when I had your relative gear. In my experience, at that point there is not a magical piece of gear that once you swap out, it will suddenly become easy to tank/progress. With each minor upgrade you get from now, you will notice a small difference until you swap out 3-5 gears, which is when you will notice a bigger difference.
I hope that made sense. In essence, other than the relatively low HP pool, I don't see any glaring weakness in the items. Which means that you need to upgrade your gears overall, or it could be problems with positioning and the actual fighting portion against elites.
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On June 23 2012 01:41 Stratos.FEAR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 01:30 trinxified wrote:On June 23 2012 01:26 Stratos.FEAR wrote:
your helm looks like it could use improvement, i know it has armor but you should go for the ilvl 63 helm which have like 490 base armor and can have up to 80 res, then you can get one of those with socket, vit or str in addition to the res. i picked up a 79 all res 120 str 50 vit 3.5 crit helm for 1 mil
also apart from the shield your life might be low
as some other posters said you could get a helm of command to make up for the lack of block % i really dont know whats giving you trouble apart from lower str since i have similar resists if not lower but higher life and armor Are you talking to me? I ask because a lot of other people have been asking similar help like me lol... Here's my gear, old shoulders/bracers though: http://i.imgur.com/ffO9F.jpg I haven't really made any upgrades other than new shoulders and bracers, but really only gave me extra Vitality. yeah was talking to you lol but its weird that you cant do act 3 post 1.0.3 i had trouble beating the last end of it before the patch and then after i just blew past it save for some nasty elite affixes maybe its the spec you have been using?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WgTVkP!beV!aabccZ
I've tried going more DPS too with Marauder's Rage, and still nothing...
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On June 23 2012 01:50 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 01:41 Stratos.FEAR wrote:On June 23 2012 01:30 trinxified wrote:On June 23 2012 01:26 Stratos.FEAR wrote:
your helm looks like it could use improvement, i know it has armor but you should go for the ilvl 63 helm which have like 490 base armor and can have up to 80 res, then you can get one of those with socket, vit or str in addition to the res. i picked up a 79 all res 120 str 50 vit 3.5 crit helm for 1 mil
also apart from the shield your life might be low
as some other posters said you could get a helm of command to make up for the lack of block % i really dont know whats giving you trouble apart from lower str since i have similar resists if not lower but higher life and armor Are you talking to me? I ask because a lot of other people have been asking similar help like me lol... Here's my gear, old shoulders/bracers though: http://i.imgur.com/ffO9F.jpg I haven't really made any upgrades other than new shoulders and bracers, but really only gave me extra Vitality. yeah was talking to you lol but its weird that you cant do act 3 post 1.0.3 i had trouble beating the last end of it before the patch and then after i just blew past it save for some nasty elite affixes maybe its the spec you have been using? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WgTVkP!beV!aabccZI've tried going more DPS too with Marauder's Rage, and still nothing...
It's understandable that kiting poison/arcane mobs is your issue when you don't have Leap with Iron Impact.
Get that instead of EQ, and it should be better.
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On June 23 2012 01:53 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 01:50 trinxified wrote:On June 23 2012 01:41 Stratos.FEAR wrote:On June 23 2012 01:30 trinxified wrote:On June 23 2012 01:26 Stratos.FEAR wrote:
your helm looks like it could use improvement, i know it has armor but you should go for the ilvl 63 helm which have like 490 base armor and can have up to 80 res, then you can get one of those with socket, vit or str in addition to the res. i picked up a 79 all res 120 str 50 vit 3.5 crit helm for 1 mil
also apart from the shield your life might be low
as some other posters said you could get a helm of command to make up for the lack of block % i really dont know whats giving you trouble apart from lower str since i have similar resists if not lower but higher life and armor Are you talking to me? I ask because a lot of other people have been asking similar help like me lol... Here's my gear, old shoulders/bracers though: http://i.imgur.com/ffO9F.jpg I haven't really made any upgrades other than new shoulders and bracers, but really only gave me extra Vitality. yeah was talking to you lol but its weird that you cant do act 3 post 1.0.3 i had trouble beating the last end of it before the patch and then after i just blew past it save for some nasty elite affixes maybe its the spec you have been using? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WgTVkP!beV!aabccZI've tried going more DPS too with Marauder's Rage, and still nothing... It's understandable that kiting poison/arcane mobs is your issue when you don't have Leap with Iron Impact. Get that instead of EQ, and it should be better.
Without EQ, I definitely will not be able to kill them efficiently. I don't know how I can improve my weapon without spending 10+ million.
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On June 23 2012 02:12 trinxified wrote:
Without EQ, I definitely will not be able to kill them efficiently. I don't know how I can improve my weapon without spending 10+ million.
you dont necessarily have to improve the weapon to improve your dps.
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On June 23 2012 02:12 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 01:53 Novalisk wrote:On June 23 2012 01:50 trinxified wrote:On June 23 2012 01:41 Stratos.FEAR wrote:On June 23 2012 01:30 trinxified wrote:On June 23 2012 01:26 Stratos.FEAR wrote:
your helm looks like it could use improvement, i know it has armor but you should go for the ilvl 63 helm which have like 490 base armor and can have up to 80 res, then you can get one of those with socket, vit or str in addition to the res. i picked up a 79 all res 120 str 50 vit 3.5 crit helm for 1 mil
also apart from the shield your life might be low
as some other posters said you could get a helm of command to make up for the lack of block % i really dont know whats giving you trouble apart from lower str since i have similar resists if not lower but higher life and armor Are you talking to me? I ask because a lot of other people have been asking similar help like me lol... Here's my gear, old shoulders/bracers though: http://i.imgur.com/ffO9F.jpg I haven't really made any upgrades other than new shoulders and bracers, but really only gave me extra Vitality. yeah was talking to you lol but its weird that you cant do act 3 post 1.0.3 i had trouble beating the last end of it before the patch and then after i just blew past it save for some nasty elite affixes maybe its the spec you have been using? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WgTVkP!beV!aabccZI've tried going more DPS too with Marauder's Rage, and still nothing... It's understandable that kiting poison/arcane mobs is your issue when you don't have Leap with Iron Impact. Get that instead of EQ, and it should be better. Without EQ, I definitely will not be able to kill them efficiently. I don't know how I can improve my weapon without spending 10+ million.
EQ scales off damage as opposed to DPS, so it's not that good on a 1H+Shield build. Stellar for 2H builds though.
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Hey guys, big fan of this thread. Since the patch I've been looking to a DW build from my barb. I have mostly tanking gear and pitiful amounts of STR. What is a good build for this? Right now I'm basically running the Leap+Ignore Pain combo with Impunity and Frenzy. Not sure if I should have a fury spender. Any suggestions?
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On June 23 2012 04:54 BOOSE.867 wrote:
Hey guys, big fan of this thread. Since the patch I've been looking to a DW build from my barb. I have mostly tanking gear and pitiful amounts of STR. What is a good build for this? Right now I'm basically running the Leap+Ignore Pain combo with Impunity and Frenzy. Not sure if I should have a fury spender. Any suggestions?
I've never been a big fan of Fury spenders. In my experience, while they offer some burst DPS, there are many other useful skills that override then in terms of importance. (not to mention Berserker Rage is an awesome DPS passive)
I ran with dual wield for the earlier levels of Barb from 1-40ish, but swapped it to 1H/shield due to pre-patch Hell and Inferno difficulties, so most of what I say will be theorycraft-ish.
In comparison with other options, such as 1H/shield or 2H, DW has an advantage of faster attack speed and additional stats, but lacks in the defensive and high DPS arenas. It is my humble opinion, that most likely DW would be most effective when run using a high Crit and Crit damage spec, which utilizes its higher speed and stats to cover its lower damage in comparison with a 2H. Things that proc on hit, such as life on hit or the like benefit more with higher attack speed due to proc chance. Having adequate gear in the form of VIT and RA with emphasis on STR will be very necessary as you still need to be in melee range and you might not have the armor passives with DW if you want things like Weapon Master or Ruthless.
I hope it helps in terms of a start, but in no way am I qualified to speak in terms of experience or a definitive source.
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On June 23 2012 00:14 TheYango wrote:
SoE's value in equivalent resistances is just astronomically high when you have lots of other resist/armor gear. I did the math a while earlier in the thread--at 600 resist all, a 15% SoE provides the same EHP gain vs. melee that 160 Resist All does.
There's actually been threads on other forums saying how string isn't as good as people think because it gets calculated near the end. I actually feel that way too, I replaced my 16% 120 str 35 vit string with a 190 str 80 vit 70 all res belt and felt like I was actually taking less damage. Give it a try, especially right now before other people catch on while good barb belts are still cheap and strings are still very expensive.
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