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On May 13 2012 08:35 Assault_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 08:32 procyonlotor wrote: Oh, man, so terrible. It's a good thing nobody plays Diablo for the story. is it better or worse than d2's story? cuz d2's was pretty shit
Nothing wrong with D2's story and how they tell it. D3's is a bit cheesier though and the way they tell it is just... very hollywood if we are to put it like that. In generall i feel the story isn't dark enough like it was in D2.
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I saw the picture on the massive spoiler part.. who is the character in this spoiler anyway?
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On May 13 2012 08:36 unkkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 08:35 Assault_1 wrote:On May 13 2012 08:32 procyonlotor wrote: Oh, man, so terrible. It's a good thing nobody plays Diablo for the story. is it better or worse than d2's story? cuz d2's was pretty shit Nothing wrong with D2's story and how they tell it. D3's is a bit cheesier though and the way they tell it is just... very hollywood if we are to put it like that. In generall i feel the story isn't dark enough like it was in D2. ok well i hope its not down to sc2's level of cheesyness sc2's cutscenes were actually quite serious tho, just the rest of it was meh
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On May 13 2012 08:36 unkkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 08:35 Assault_1 wrote:On May 13 2012 08:32 procyonlotor wrote: Oh, man, so terrible. It's a good thing nobody plays Diablo for the story. is it better or worse than d2's story? cuz d2's was pretty shit Nothing wrong with D2's story and how they tell it. D3's is a bit cheesier though and the way they tell it is just... very hollywood if we are to put it like that. In generall i feel the story isn't dark enough like it was in D2.
So, it really depends. Because in Diablo 2 the ingame execution didn't amount to very much, and that partly due to the technology they were using, but the cinematics were very well done, and I'd argue some of the best visual storytelling in the gaming industry.
I can't talk about Diablo 3's ingame storytelling, but the cinematics were a kind of Transformers wishwash, utterly trite and without weight. I suspect you'll get more value from what happens in the game itself. Just my impression.
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+ Show Spoiler +Every scene with angel wings was amazing. The animation is legittttttttt.
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the best word to describe the story and narration is "uninspired". It feels cheesy, completely unoriginal.
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On May 13 2012 08:45 Doomgiver wrote: the best word to describe the story and narration is "uninspired". It feels cheesy, completely unoriginal.
I think the most accurate way to describe it is to say that it's actually all a gigantic infodump, you know, like the kind of flavor text you find on the back of game covers and in old manuals.
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On May 13 2012 08:49 procyonlotor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 08:45 Doomgiver wrote: the best word to describe the story and narration is "uninspired". It feels cheesy, completely unoriginal. I think the most accurate way to describe it is to say that it's actually all a gigantic infodump, you know, like the kind of flavor text you find on the back of game covers and in old manuals. A cheesy, gigantic infodump.
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The Imperius vs Diablo fight was awesome, but I wished it was longer since they're suppose to be one of the strongest from their own faction. I can't really complain too much since the amount of detail and work that was put into these cinematics is top notch.
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On May 13 2012 09:03 zoLo wrote: The Imperius vs Diablo fight was awesome, but I wished it was longer since they're suppose to be one of the strongest from their own faction. I can't really complain too much since the amount of detail and work that was put into these cinematics is top notch.
+ Show Spoiler +Diablo has the black soulstone with mephisto/baal and the lesser evils' powers. The fight isn't supposed to be close.
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On May 13 2012 08:35 unkkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 08:26 Fanta_Rules wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Although I liked the Imperius vs. Diablo one, the Diablo II cinematics were much better. Where's the subtlety? Making Tyrael tell us the story in an extremely cheesy way wasn't a smart move at all. Totally ruined his character for me. Also, Tyrael's new voice sucks. + Show Spoiler +I agree fully. The last cinematic was just... some hollywood inspirational speech crap, awfull. And yes the new voice blows.
+ Show Spoiler + I agree with this, I was kinda okay with it till that point, the voice did feel kinda meh, but it when it got to the last bit, it really turned me off, with all "the mortals did it! they saved angels! the underdogs won!" bit that went on again and again.
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On May 13 2012 09:13 dartoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 08:35 unkkz wrote:On May 13 2012 08:26 Fanta_Rules wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Although I liked the Imperius vs. Diablo one, the Diablo II cinematics were much better. Where's the subtlety? Making Tyrael tell us the story in an extremely cheesy way wasn't a smart move at all. Totally ruined his character for me. Also, Tyrael's new voice sucks. + Show Spoiler +I agree fully. The last cinematic was just... some hollywood inspirational speech crap, awfull. And yes the new voice blows. + Show Spoiler + I agree with this, I was kinda okay with it till that point, the voice did feel kinda meh, but it when it got to the last bit, it really turned me off, with all "the mortals did it! they saved angels! the underdogs won!" bit that went on again and again.
+ Show Spoiler +Not really surprised though - compare SC2 plot and storytelling to SC1/BW, and pretty much the same thing happened. HotS will probably be a good indicator of how the "story" of the Diablo 3 expansion would flow, too.
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Huge Spoiler about a character (in addition to what is said about in the beginning of the thread).
+ Show Spoiler +Leah is Diablo. But she is also the daughter of the warrior from Diablo 1, who became Diablo in Diablo 2 (The Wanderer) and of Adria, the Witch from Diablo 1 !!!!!
Also, Adria appears in Diablo 3 !!!
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On May 13 2012 08:36 unkkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 08:35 Assault_1 wrote:On May 13 2012 08:32 procyonlotor wrote: Oh, man, so terrible. It's a good thing nobody plays Diablo for the story. is it better or worse than d2's story? cuz d2's was pretty shit Nothing wrong with D2's story and how they tell it. D3's is a bit cheesier though and the way they tell it is just... very hollywood if we are to put it like that. In generall i feel the story isn't dark enough like it was in D2. D2's story was pretty minimal. A couple items developed during quests, but for the most part the entirety of the story was shown in the short cinematics at the end of any given act. It wasn't until Act 5 that you had any sort of progression going on while you played. The characters were also pretty shallow. Akara, Cain, Nihlathak, Tyrael, Marius, and Baal are the only characters with any...well, character. Most of the story had to be redeemed by after-the-fact content, such as novels.
The story progression and characters from only the first sliver of the game shown by the beta are already streets ahead of where Diablo 2 left off. The player spends time with Leah, Cain, and the Templar to unmask the secrets of the Fallen Star. The Skeleton King ironically has some real meat to him as he spend time taunting the player. We haven't even gotten to the cinematics yet!
On May 13 2012 08:26 unkkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 08:08 EZjijy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Was Leah in any other Diablo game or newly introduced in Diablo3? I'm assuming her history gets revealed in game or am I missing something? Leah is a new character to the Diablo universe. She is the daughter of the hero/Prince whats-his-name that defeated Diablo in the first game and the first games NPC witch "Adria". Her father thrust the soulstone of Diablo into his forehead at the end of D1 and afterward became the dark wanderer who roamed sanctuary in Diablo 2 until finally succumbing to the demon and fully turning into Diablo. Adria has not been seen since the first game, but she left and Leah was taken in by Deckard Cain who is the last of the Horadrim Order whom once upon a time were the ones who imprisoned Diablo, Mephisto and Baal in their soulstones. Deckard Cain has been in all Diablo games as the dude that identifies items for you for free and gives sound advice, a scholar of sorts. This is all generally known information so no spoilers. Leah's father is canonically known as the Dark Wanderer. It's assumed that the hero that defeated Diablo in the original game is the warrior class hero.
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I have to say that the second last picture reminds me of + Show Spoiler +Alma from the FEAR series!
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cinematics have been posted on youtube by someone. watch it before it gets taken down.
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On May 13 2012 09:36 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 08:36 unkkz wrote:On May 13 2012 08:35 Assault_1 wrote:On May 13 2012 08:32 procyonlotor wrote: Oh, man, so terrible. It's a good thing nobody plays Diablo for the story. is it better or worse than d2's story? cuz d2's was pretty shit Nothing wrong with D2's story and how they tell it. D3's is a bit cheesier though and the way they tell it is just... very hollywood if we are to put it like that. In generall i feel the story isn't dark enough like it was in D2. D2's story was pretty minimal. A couple items developed during quests, but for the most part the entirety of the story was shown in the short cinematics at the end of any given act. It wasn't until Act 5 that you had any sort of progression going on while you played. The characters were also pretty shallow. Akara, Cain, Nihlathak, Tyrael, Marius, and Baal are the only characters with any...well, character. Most of the story had to be redeemed by after-the-fact content, such as novels. The story progression and characters from only the first sliver of the game shown by the beta are already streets ahead of where Diablo 2 left off. The player spends time with Leah, Cain, and the Templar to unmask the secrets of the Fallen Star. The Skeleton King ironically has some real meat to him as he spend time taunting the player. We haven't even gotten to the cinematics yet! Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 08:26 unkkz wrote:On May 13 2012 08:08 EZjijy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Was Leah in any other Diablo game or newly introduced in Diablo3? I'm assuming her history gets revealed in game or am I missing something? Leah is a new character to the Diablo universe. She is the daughter of the hero/Prince whats-his-name that defeated Diablo in the first game and the first games NPC witch "Adria". Her father thrust the soulstone of Diablo into his forehead at the end of D1 and afterward became the dark wanderer who roamed sanctuary in Diablo 2 until finally succumbing to the demon and fully turning into Diablo. Adria has not been seen since the first game, but she left and Leah was taken in by Deckard Cain who is the last of the Horadrim Order whom once upon a time were the ones who imprisoned Diablo, Mephisto and Baal in their soulstones. Deckard Cain has been in all Diablo games as the dude that identifies items for you for free and gives sound advice, a scholar of sorts. This is all generally known information so no spoilers. Leah's father is canonically known as the Dark Wanderer. It's assumed that the hero that defeated Diablo in the original game is the warrior class hero.
Which is what i said? I dont get what you're trying to say. They stated at Blizzcon i think it was that the warrior that defeated Diablo was the son of Leoric returning home, he and the player in Diablo 1 are one and the same. It's something they had to do in order to fix eventuall loop holes in the plot.
About the storytelling i was mostly refering to the cinematics compared to those of Diablo 2.
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On May 13 2012 10:04 getpicture wrote: cinematics have been posted on youtube by someone. watch it before it gets taken down.
Theres a link in this thread to a non youtube version and people have been discussing the cinematics for about two pages now.
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+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHaeJFHbV6Q
ending cinematics. Spoilers obviously
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I loved D2's cinematics. The cowardly old man following the wanderer, becoming witness to more and more fantastical and horrifying scenes... it was good stuff.
+ Show Spoiler + Why didn't they keep the original Tyreas voice actor? =( The new guy's not right AT ALL.
And way too damn much narration (even if you ignore the parts prior to the cinematics themselves). D2 cinematics were atmospheric, and the minimal dialogue they contained was great. This is just... distracting, lame storytelling. What the hell happened?
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