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On February 23 2011 21:29 CoR wrote:


wow ... most rassistic tread read for a long time ...
i think alot ALOT of european/s.american etc players are better then most of the us player like 70-30% in the VERY top (also because europe ofc have way miore countrys where the money is much more worth) TSL Qualifiers etc seems to show the same etc

only NA would make it a very boring tournament with not including 80% of the non asian scene

its way way WAY more epic tournament with players who are the best from all over the world

On February 24 2011 05:25 PrinceXizor wrote:
I'm still confused how an arbitrary team makes a player more reliable, or more specifically how not being on a team makes them unreliable, if they are known by the community and actually want to and are able to compete, i see no reason why they wouldn't be held into the same esteem as a team'd player. and the "if your good enough you'll be on a team" stuff isn't true, teams are very selective in their player choices and there are plenty of great players not representing a team but every one of them will be excluded, such as white ra for example, a player known by the community and held in high esteem, if he was for sure able to play, you think that he'd be unreliable just because he is solo sponsered?

On February 24 2011 05:25 PrinceXizor wrote:
I'm still confused how an arbitrary team makes a player more reliable, or more specifically how not being on a team makes them unreliable, if they are known by the community and actually want to and are able to compete, i see no reason why they wouldn't be held into the same esteem as a team'd player. and the "if your good enough you'll be on a team" stuff isn't true, teams are very selective in their player choices and there are plenty of great players not representing a team but every one of them will be excluded, such as white ra for example, a player known by the community and held in high esteem, if he was for sure able to play, you think that he'd be unreliable just because he is solo sponsered?

On February 24 2011 04:54 [-Bluewolf-] wrote:
I've thought about this league for quite some time, and the following is likely the one things that bothers me the most.

This league is mimicking its selection criteria and overall angle very closely to that of the failed Championship Gaming Series. In that league, they hand picked the players that could play, had visual looks and personality count towards the selection (NASL requires video, audio only applications are not allowed...), and focused heavily on a "team spirit" aspect. Furthermore, they made it nearly impossible to break into the league after their first "draft", thus causing a loss of interest from those that might want to aspire to compete in it. The argument was, of course, that the league wanted to build storylines and backgrounds just as in other sports (sound familiar)? Lastly, those that were picked often had contacts with those doing the picking - or basically, the team managers were biased as is human nature to those they knew. This league is also doing picks by what appears to be the league creators - one of which had close ties with EG and the other who has close ties to Fnatic.

The CGS format was nearly universally panned except for those that constantly kept repeating how the community should support it as it was great that so much money was being thrown at e-sports along with the frequent broadcasting. In short, personal feelings of "X should have selected Y" were to be ignored and the public was expected to keep supporting the same hand picked players season after season, some of which had never shown they really belonged there in the first place over others.

In terms of setup, excluding the fact that NASL is skipping putting on a fake qualification event (ie. the CGS combine), I just cannot see the difference. I am ignoring NASL's open qualification event as it is a token 1 spot that seems there just as a weak attempt to legitimize the event (with the bet being one of the 15 "chosen ones" will win by sheer numbers and thus allow the organizers to point out that their players are the best). Even ignoring CGS, the entire invitational model just starts to strangle a community as you cannot build e-sports top-down by only supporting a select elite (In my opinion, Quake 3/LIVE ended up with the same problem of few taking competition as an esport except those constantly invited to invitationals).

I think they should just drop this whole facade of making esports huge and call this what it actually is: an invitational. It isn't meant to inspire the average Joe to play more, it isn't meant to get healthy competition going among the community as a whole, and, heck, it isn't even really "North American". All of this is just my opinion, of course.

Looking forward to continuing to watch the GSL, TSL, and MLG - relatively open qualifications make these events so much more exciting to watch knowing the players proved they belonged there.

On February 24 2011 05:32 [-Bluewolf-] wrote:


If you read the Q&A thread, White-Ra counts as being on a team. A team can consist of one member.

On February 24 2011 04:54 [-Bluewolf-] wrote:
I've thought about this league for quite some time, and the following is likely the one things that bothers me the most.

This league is mimicking its selection criteria and overall angle very closely to that of the failed Championship Gaming Series. In that league, they hand picked the players that could play, had visual looks and personality count towards the selection (NASL requires video, audio only applications are not allowed...), and focused heavily on a "team spirit" aspect. Furthermore, they made it nearly impossible to break into the league after their first "draft", thus causing a loss of interest from those that might want to aspire to compete in it. The argument was, of course, that the league wanted to build storylines and backgrounds just as in other sports (sound familiar)? Lastly, those that were picked often had contacts with those doing the picking - or basically, the team managers were biased as is human nature to those they knew. This league is also doing picks by what appears to be the league creators - one of which had close ties with EG and the other who has close ties to Fnatic.

The CGS format was nearly universally panned except for those that constantly kept repeating how the community should support it as it was great that so much money was being thrown at e-sports along with the frequent broadcasting. In short, personal feelings of "X should have selected Y" were to be ignored and the public was expected to keep supporting the same hand picked players season after season, some of which had never shown they really belonged there in the first place over others.

In terms of setup, excluding the fact that NASL is skipping putting on a fake qualification event (ie. the CGS combine), I just cannot see the difference. I am ignoring NASL's open qualification event as it is a token 1 spot that seems there just as a weak attempt to legitimize the event (with the bet being one of the 15 "chosen ones" will win by sheer numbers and thus allow the organizers to point out that their players are the best). Even ignoring CGS, the entire invitational model just starts to strangle a community as you cannot build e-sports top-down by only supporting a select elite (In my opinion, Quake 3/LIVE ended up with the same problem of few taking competition as an esport except those constantly invited to invitationals).

I think they should just drop this whole facade of making esports huge and call this what it actually is: an invitational. It isn't meant to inspire the average Joe to play more, it isn't meant to get healthy competition going among the community as a whole, and, heck, it isn't even really "North American". All of this is just my opinion, of course.

Looking forward to continuing to watch the GSL, TSL, and MLG - relatively open qualifications make these events so much more exciting to watch knowing the players proved they belong there.

On February 23 2011 05:56 BlueFlames wrote:


Kerrigan and Nova lookalikes dancing the Firebathero dance or Yellows dance anyone? I would pay just to see that happening.^^

On February 24 2011 04:54 [-Bluewolf-] wrote:
I've thought about this league for quite some time, and the following is likely the one things that bothers me the most.

This league is mimicking its selection criteria and overall angle very closely to that of the failed Championship Gaming Series. In that league, they hand picked the players that could play, had visual looks and personality count towards the selection (NASL requires video, audio only applications are not allowed...), and focused heavily on a "team spirit" aspect. Furthermore, they made it nearly impossible to break into the league after their first "draft", thus causing a loss of interest from those that might want to aspire to compete in it. The argument was, of course, that the league wanted to build storylines and backgrounds just as in other sports (sound familiar)? Lastly, those that were picked often had contacts with those doing the picking - or basically, the team managers were biased as is human nature to those they knew. This league is also doing picks by what appears to be the league creators - one of which had close ties with EG and the other who has close ties to Fnatic.

The CGS format was nearly universally panned except for those that constantly kept repeating how the community should support it as it was great that so much money was being thrown at e-sports along with the frequent broadcasting. In short, personal feelings of "X should have selected Y" were to be ignored and the public was expected to keep supporting the same hand picked players season after season, some of which had never shown they really belonged there in the first place over others.

In terms of setup, excluding the fact that NASL is skipping putting on a fake qualification event (ie. the CGS combine), I just cannot see the difference. I am ignoring NASL's open qualification event as it is a token 1 spot that seems there just as a weak attempt to legitimize the event (with the bet being one of the 15 "chosen ones" will win by sheer numbers and thus allow the organizers to point out that their players are the best). Even ignoring CGS, the entire invitational model just starts to strangle a community as you cannot build e-sports top-down by only supporting a select elite (In my opinion, Quake 3/LIVE ended up with the same problem of few taking competition as an esport except those constantly invited to invitationals).

I think they should just drop this whole facade of making esports huge and call this what it actually is: an invitational. It isn't meant to inspire the average Joe to play more, it isn't meant to get healthy competition going among the community as a whole, and, heck, it isn't even really "North American". All of this is just my opinion, of course.

Looking forward to continuing to watch the GSL, TSL, and MLG - relatively open qualifications make these events so much more exciting to watch knowing the players proved they belong there.