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On February 23 2011 00:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 00:27 NieSwiety wrote:
Am I the only one who finds nasl.tv website terrible? It looks worse than websites of gold player based teams. I bet sponsors required a good promotion for their, and with so unproffesional site it will be hard to provide the new ones.
My hype is over because if something THAT IMPORTANT is made by unskilled amateurs (i mean web design here), I'm worried about rest of the stuff. oh god,:facepalm:. The website design is fine,a little overdone but totally readable and user friendly.
Well. Im an experienced webdesigner. From graphical point of view, design fits more to amateur clan, than one of the biggest esport leagues. It's not about pure hate, or "I COULD DO BETTER" (In fact I could - lol). I just think a good and elastic design would cost like 1/100 of monthly budget (players wouldn't seen the difference in rewards), and it would help with getting sponsors for season IV and so. Right now eSports is seen for many as a wasting of time of immature guys, and unprofesional site just fits to that stereotype.
On February 23 2011 00:30 mav451 wrote:
You are really extrapolating too much from the website design. I agree it's a bit rough, but NASL technically isn't even active yet. I'm sure it'll be updated soon enough.
Sure it's not active yet, but they had planty of time to do that good. First impression is important, and my first impression is bad.
I know as a graphic designer and public relation manager I see the stuff different, and for regular viewer it's ok, but still...
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On the price tag
I just want to step in to give a huge WTF at all those who are complaining about the 20-25$ price tag.
25$ / (3h/night * 5nights/week * 13 weeks) = 13 cents per hour
Do you realize you're whining like spoiled brats about being given a great entertainment product for about 13 cents per hour?! This is beyond ridiculous, I can't believe some are actually complaining... Oh and yeah... They also provide a free stream!!! And really guys, please put this into perspective. 20 bucks is about what you'll pay (if you're very reasonable) for any type of night out with friends. It's about 2 beers in a bar... geez it's NOTHING!
On the players
I also want to point out that while the caliber of play *might* not be as high as with the koreans in GSL, I personally find the western type of play much more fun! Think Kiwikaki, Catz, TLO, etc... In the GSL, it's basically the same matches over and over again. There is no place for crazy stuff, while this is much more frequent in the tournaments in NA or EU. And I also believe the top 50 "foreign" players can compete with the top 50 koreans no problem in terms of skill.
This in my opinion will make the NASL so great to watch, with the added bonus that it won't be in the middle of the night! 
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On February 23 2011 00:38 NieSwiety wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 00:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:On February 23 2011 00:27 NieSwiety wrote:
Am I the only one who finds nasl.tv website terrible? It looks worse than websites of gold player based teams. I bet sponsors required a good promotion for their, and with so unproffesional site it will be hard to provide the new ones.
My hype is over because if something THAT IMPORTANT is made by unskilled amateurs (i mean web design here), I'm worried about rest of the stuff. oh god,:facepalm:. The website design is fine,a little overdone but totally readable and user friendly. Well. Im an experienced webdesigner. From graphical point of view, design fits more to amateur clan, than one of the biggest esport leagues. It's not about pure hate, or "I COULD DO BETTER" (In fact I could - lol). I just think a good and elastic design would cost like 1/100 of monthly budget (players wouldn't seen the difference in rewards), and it would help with getting sponsors for season IV and so. Right now eSports is seen for many as a wasting of time of immature guys, and unprofesional site just fits to that stereotype.
you should apply for the web design postion then,PM iNcontroL or something.
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On February 23 2011 00:27 NieSwiety wrote:
Am I the only one who finds nasl.tv website terrible? It looks worse than websites of gold player based teams. I bet sponsors required a good promotion for their, and with so unproffesional site it will be hard to provide the new ones.
My hype is over because if something THAT IMPORTANT is made by unskilled amateurs (i mean web design here), I'm worried about rest of the stuff.
What's wrong with the website? I actually like it. It doesn't have much content yet, but that's not a design issue. I also am not sure what you mean by comparing it to team sites - those are usually based around forums and such. Currently this website is only supposed to showcase the hype video and link you to their faqs and little speech thing, so I'm not sure what the problems are.
Edit: what I'm trying to say is, this might be bad if it were a team site, but I think you are judging it on the wrong basis. It serves it's purpose well IMO.
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we will see if foreigns can beat koreans in TSL3 ;p
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On February 23 2011 00:38 CursedFeanor wrote:On the playersI also want to point out that while the caliber of play *might* not be as high as with the koreans in GSL, I personally find the western type of play much more fun! Think Kiwikaki, Catz, TLO, etc... In the GSL, it's basically the same matches over and over again. There is no place for crazy stuff, while this is much more frequent in the tournaments in NA or EU. And I also believe the top 50 "foreign" players can compete with the top 50 koreans no problem in terms of skill. This in my opinion will make the NASL so great to watch, with the added bonus that it won't be in the middle of the night!
I'm a bit scared that the big prize pool is going to scare the crazy tactics away. I mean, 100k isn't something you would want to waste trying some fancy 6pool 10 spire build. (This is an exaggeration but you get my point i hope)  But time will tell for sure.
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On February 23 2011 00:35 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 00:31 mTw|NarutO wrote:On February 23 2011 00:24 imaROBOT wrote:On February 23 2011 00:22 mTw|NarutO wrote:
How do you apply for the NASL? in the NASL? You must be on a team, must be available to travel to the main event, must be able to play on the NA server. If you meet these requirements, please make a video of yourself answering the 5 pre-season questions, upload the video to youtube and mail the link to apply@nasl.tv (Also include: Name, ID, Team, and Race) . -_- Awesome troll. Just because I don't have the time at work to read through the whole thread there's no reason to reply in such a manner. =.=. Noooo... on nasl.tv, there is an FAQ. Your question, "How do I apply to be in the NASL?" is in it. imaROBOT quoted the exact answer provided by nasl.tv's FAQ, as befits his nature.
I'm sorry then. The fact that NASL.tv doesn't show anything for me plus the fact that motbob said no one knows yet made me think he's trolling.
Actually nasl.tv just shows the countdown for me :-( Thanks NonY and the others. I'm sorry imaROBOT.
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On February 23 2011 00:38 CursedFeanor wrote:On the price tagI just want to step in to give a huge WTF at all those who are complaining about the 20-25$ price tag. 25$ / (3h/night * 5nights/week * 13 weeks) = 13 cents per hour Do you realize you're whining like spoiled brats about being given a great entertainment product for about 13 cents per hour?! This is beyond ridiculous, I can't believe some are actually complaining... Oh and yeah... They also provide a free stream!!! And really guys, please put this into perspective. 20 bucks is about what you'll pay (if you're very reasonable) for any type of night out with friends. It's about 2 beers in a bar... geez it's NOTHING! On the playersI also want to point out that while the caliber of play *might* not be as high as with the koreans in GSL, I personally find the western type of play much more fun! Think Kiwikaki, Catz, TLO, etc... In the GSL, it's basically the same matches over and over again. There is no place for crazy stuff, while this is much more frequent in the tournaments in NA or EU. And I also believe the top 50 "foreign" players can compete with the top 50 koreans no problem in terms of skill. This in my opinion will make the NASL so great to watch, with the added bonus that it won't be in the middle of the night!
You realize that we don't know if it's even going to be a "great entertainment product", because we haven't even seen it. If were going off of the show match we saw, I wouldn't pay that high of a price for that. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, so well see.
Yeah I know I can just watch the free stream.. Actually, I give up, can't have an actually intelligent discussion with people like you. Nothing personal towards you cursed, but others have responded exactly as you did, thinking that were whining brats somehow.... ffs.
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Oh, looks like I was wrong about not knowing how to apply. I'll put that at the top of the OP.
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On February 23 2011 00:41 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 00:35 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 23 2011 00:31 mTw|NarutO wrote:On February 23 2011 00:24 imaROBOT wrote:On February 23 2011 00:22 mTw|NarutO wrote:
How do you apply for the NASL? in the NASL? You must be on a team, must be available to travel to the main event, must be able to play on the NA server. If you meet these requirements, please make a video of yourself answering the 5 pre-season questions, upload the video to youtube and mail the link to apply@nasl.tv (Also include: Name, ID, Team, and Race) . -_- Awesome troll. Just because I don't have the time at work to read through the whole thread there's no reason to reply in such a manner. =.=. Noooo... on nasl.tv, there is an FAQ. Your question, "How do I apply to be in the NASL?" is in it. imaROBOT quoted the exact answer provided by nasl.tv's FAQ, as befits his nature. I'm sorry then. The fact that NASL.tv doesn't show anything for me plus the fact that motbob said no one knows yet made me think he's trolling. Actually nasl.tv just shows the countdown for me :-( Thanks NonY and the others. I'm sorry imaROBOT.
maybe its cache problem hit f5 or delete cache
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On February 23 2011 00:38 CursedFeanor wrote:
On the price tag
I just want to step in to give a huge WTF at all those who are complaining about the 20-25$ price tag.
25$ / (3h/night * 5nights/week * 13 weeks) = 13 cents per hour
Do you realize you're whining like spoiled brats about being given a great entertainment product for about 13 cents per hour?! This is beyond ridiculous, I can't believe some are actually complaining... Oh and yeah... They also provide a free stream!!! And really guys, please put this into perspective. 20 bucks is about what you'll pay (if you're very reasonable) for any type of night out with friends. It's about 2 beers in a bar... geez it's NOTHING!
Several people have voiced legitimate concerns regarding the price; none of those were "whining". I'm pretty sure noone taking part in this discussion is in a position to care too much about 20$ since we all seem to have plenty of time to waste it on the interwebz.
Please don't start with the real life price comparisons á la "that's one trip to the bar/cinema" because that's not what price discussions are about. Believe or not, there is potential for discussion with a 20$ price tag and you're not helping with your "everyone who doesn't agree with me must be whining"-attitude.
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On February 23 2011 00:41 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 00:35 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 23 2011 00:31 mTw|NarutO wrote:On February 23 2011 00:24 imaROBOT wrote:On February 23 2011 00:22 mTw|NarutO wrote:
How do you apply for the NASL? in the NASL? You must be on a team, must be available to travel to the main event, must be able to play on the NA server. If you meet these requirements, please make a video of yourself answering the 5 pre-season questions, upload the video to youtube and mail the link to apply@nasl.tv (Also include: Name, ID, Team, and Race) . -_- Awesome troll. Just because I don't have the time at work to read through the whole thread there's no reason to reply in such a manner. =.=. Noooo... on nasl.tv, there is an FAQ. Your question, "How do I apply to be in the NASL?" is in it. imaROBOT quoted the exact answer provided by nasl.tv's FAQ, as befits his nature. I'm sorry then. The fact that NASL.tv doesn't show anything for me plus the fact that motbob said no one knows yet made me think he's trolling. Actually nasl.tv just shows the countdown for me :-( Thanks NonY and the others. I'm sorry imaROBOT.
It's okay, robots don't have feelings
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On February 23 2011 00:38 CursedFeanor wrote:
25$ / (3h/night * 5nights/week * 13 weeks) = 13 cents per hour
The 13 weeks thing counted a one week break before the finals. 9 weeks of divisional play, 1 week of playoffs, 1 week for the open tournament, 1 week break, and then the finals week.
Your point may still be valid but your math is off.
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I know why it showed a countdown for me. I was lazy not putting www.
With just nasl.tv it shows a countdown, with www.nasl.tv it shows the website, anyways sorry again and thank you. Now we need to figure out the 5 questions :-)
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On February 23 2011 00:38 NieSwiety wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 00:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:On February 23 2011 00:27 NieSwiety wrote:
Am I the only one who finds nasl.tv website terrible? It looks worse than websites of gold player based teams. I bet sponsors required a good promotion for their, and with so unproffesional site it will be hard to provide the new ones.
My hype is over because if something THAT IMPORTANT is made by unskilled amateurs (i mean web design here), I'm worried about rest of the stuff. oh god,:facepalm:. The website design is fine,a little overdone but totally readable and user friendly. Well. Im an experienced webdesigner. From graphical point of view, design fits more to amateur clan, than one of the biggest esport leagues. It's not about pure hate, or "I COULD DO BETTER" (In fact I could - lol). I just think a good and elastic design would cost like 1/100 of monthly budget (players wouldn't seen the difference in rewards), and it would help with getting sponsors for season IV and so. Right now eSports is seen for many as a wasting of time of immature guys, and unprofesional site just fits to that stereotype. Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 00:30 mav451 wrote:
You are really extrapolating too much from the website design. I agree it's a bit rough, but NASL technically isn't even active yet. I'm sure it'll be updated soon enough. Sure it's not active yet, but they had planty of time to do that good. First impression is important, and my first impression is bad. I know as a graphic designer and public relation manager I see the stuff different, and for regular viewer it's ok, but still...
As a design manager, I agree with you Nie. The website looks more like a fan or interim website, and could use a bit of a buff.
I'm assuming a more flexible, straight-forward website with a robust Content Management System is being developed behind the scenes. Right now, it's hard to imagine how this website could support or be updated with 3 hours of content 5 days a week.
Of course, we're talking about building a studio and sports league from scratch. There's going to be all kinds of growing pains.
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On February 23 2011 00:58 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 00:38 NieSwiety wrote:On February 23 2011 00:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:On February 23 2011 00:27 NieSwiety wrote:
Am I the only one who finds nasl.tv website terrible? It looks worse than websites of gold player based teams. I bet sponsors required a good promotion for their, and with so unproffesional site it will be hard to provide the new ones.
My hype is over because if something THAT IMPORTANT is made by unskilled amateurs (i mean web design here), I'm worried about rest of the stuff. oh god,:facepalm:. The website design is fine,a little overdone but totally readable and user friendly. Well. Im an experienced webdesigner. From graphical point of view, design fits more to amateur clan, than one of the biggest esport leagues. It's not about pure hate, or "I COULD DO BETTER" (In fact I could - lol). I just think a good and elastic design would cost like 1/100 of monthly budget (players wouldn't seen the difference in rewards), and it would help with getting sponsors for season IV and so. Right now eSports is seen for many as a wasting of time of immature guys, and unprofesional site just fits to that stereotype. On February 23 2011 00:30 mav451 wrote:
You are really extrapolating too much from the website design. I agree it's a bit rough, but NASL technically isn't even active yet. I'm sure it'll be updated soon enough. Sure it's not active yet, but they had planty of time to do that good. First impression is important, and my first impression is bad. I know as a graphic designer and public relation manager I see the stuff different, and for regular viewer it's ok, but still... As a design manager and former graphic designer, I agree with you Nie. The website looks more like a fan or interim website, and could use a bit of a buff. I'm assuming a more flexible, straight-forward website with a robust Content Management System is being developed behind the scenes. Right now, it's hard to imagine how this website could support or be updated with 3 hours of content 5 days a week. Of course, we're talking about building a studio and sports league from scratch. There's going to be all kinds of growing pains.
It's possible that the VODs will be uploaded and monetized through justin.tv.
But of course I do not have any inside information about that... it's just a guess.
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On February 23 2011 00:24 stk01001 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 00:08 imaROBOT wrote:
I liked everything up to the $20-$25 for one season. That would pay for TWO GSL seasons. I really want SC2 to take over North America as anyone, but that is a really high price for such a new, unproven tournament. I don't see them getting as many people to pay.
I know they say they are going to have much more content, but we don't even know what that really means. It could just be some cheesy player interviews for all we know. Until it's a proven high level production tournament such as GSL, don't even think of expecting people to pay that much.
You guys hyped this up really well, and got a whole lot of attention, but that's not enough to justify such a high price. umm you did read the part about the free low quality stream right? also not to sound like a pompous ass, but seriously is $20 such a huge deal? It's the same cost as taking someone out to lunch at friendly's or something.. seriously no offense but if $20 is going to break your bank account then you proably need to stop spending time watching SC2 and get your shit together.. for the amount of content they are offering it seems like a perfectly reasonable price.. plus they are offering a FREE lower quality stream... free.. yet people still complain.. I guess they want high quality streams & content without having to pay anything (or like 5$?).. that'd be great except NASL would be bankrupt after like two seasons and proably need to shutdown.. unfortunately it's not a charity so yes they do need revenue to pay for the content they are providing.. it's this crazy concept called business..
Not to sound like a pompous ass, but is several hours a night watching free LQ streams such a huge deal? Considering streams are probably at least 60% bullshit to 40% actual SC, YES, and if you have that much time on your hands, maybe get your shit together and do something productive with all that time.
The crazy concept called business means allowing it to grow beyond its current fanbase which is basically just these people on TL. They need to make VODs free, or else nobody will care and the only place SC2 will grow is in Korea, where the games are actually good and the price is actually reasonable.
As I mentioned before, the amount of games means jack shit if they are among bad players. It's the same reason nobody cares about the WNBA, the UFL, the MLS, and minor league baseball. They need to make it as accessable as possible to have a chance, and to make it less accessable than games featuring better players is just a god awful business plan.
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Justin.tv is really slow, i waited for a buffer and now it won't play.... are the "clash of the titans" matches going to be posted somewhere else?
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On February 23 2011 00:17 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 00:14 imaROBOT wrote:
Let me add something to my other statement.
Another huge problem I have with this is that the games, as far as I can tell, are going to be casted from replays. This causes mainly 2 huge problems.
1. The games will ALWAYS be spoiled by anyone that can look at the players match history. If you don't know ANYONE can look at any players match history so expect spoiled results right form the start.
2. When games are casted from replays it is very often that the two casters are out of sync during the game. They always start shouting something exciting when on our screen... nothing is going on.
The only real, exciting, fun games to watch will the be finals. When you have a LAN setting, everything changes. The games just get so much more exciting when you can see the players and knowing you're right there with them watching their every move. It adds pressure and excitement. Fortunately, you are wrong, and all games will be casted live.
I sincerely hope casting the games live is not the case. For this large amount of money, people will cheat, and I'd hate for half of the finals to be mostly filled with cheaters.
It may seem that I am exaggerating the result as these will be named players from top teams - but that actually doesn't matter based on past experience. SK.Insomnia, mTw.Dimaga, AMD.Elky, aAa.Sarens, [9]eVerlast, and many, many more have all given in to temptation at one point to get that extra edge in a tournament. Just because a player is known and beloved by a community is not a solution to possible cheating in the tournament.
Of course, if NASL has become the first to figure out a way to put a delay on the stream, this is moot. Otherwise, I hope they will put tournament integrity first and find some other way to handle these broadcasting problems.
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On February 23 2011 01:13 [-Bluewolf-] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 00:17 motbob wrote:On February 23 2011 00:14 imaROBOT wrote:
Let me add something to my other statement.
Another huge problem I have with this is that the games, as far as I can tell, are going to be casted from replays. This causes mainly 2 huge problems.
1. The games will ALWAYS be spoiled by anyone that can look at the players match history. If you don't know ANYONE can look at any players match history so expect spoiled results right form the start.
2. When games are casted from replays it is very often that the two casters are out of sync during the game. They always start shouting something exciting when on our screen... nothing is going on.
The only real, exciting, fun games to watch will the be finals. When you have a LAN setting, everything changes. The games just get so much more exciting when you can see the players and knowing you're right there with them watching their every move. It adds pressure and excitement. Fortunately, you are wrong, and all games will be casted live. I sincerely hope casting the games live is not the case. For this large amount of money, people will cheat, and I'd hate for half of the finals to be mostly filled with cheaters. It may seem that I am exaggerating the result as these will be named players from top teams - but that actually doesn't matter based on past experience. SK.Insomnia, mTw.Dimaga, AMD.Elky, aAa.Sarens, [9]eVerlast, and many, many more have all given in to temptation at one point to get that extra edge in a tournament. Just because a player is known and beloved by a community is not a solution to possible cheating in the tournament. Of course, if NASL has become the first to figure out a way to put a delay on the stream, this is moot. Otherwise, I hope they will put tournament integrity first and find some other way to handle these broadcasting problems.
Justin.tv has a feature that allows you to delay the stream! I saw that in the day9-justin.tv post and thought it was the coolest thing ever. Now there's a fantastic use for it!
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