EDIT: Oh nvm seems like they are not released yet?
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
EDIT: Oh nvm seems like they are not released yet? | ||
MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On February 22 2011 23:36 cuppatea wrote: NASL and the people behind it have no track record of running major events (which is extremely difficult to do and has put many companies out of business) so the only thing we have to base our opinions off are the showmatch, which from a production point of view was a complete disaster. It just blows my mind that, with weeks to prepare, they would make such a mess of the long awaited, much hyped, grand unveiling of their tournament. It seems to me like they held a $1500 showmatch to announce a $400k tournament and ran then the whole production on a $10 budget, which ultimately reflected poorly on the NASL and cast doubt where it was supposed to generate excitement. On February 22 2011 23:03 MoreFaSho wrote: I don't understand why so many comments in this thread are about the showmatch when that topic has its own thread. This is a thread about the NASL. As far as the two are related some comments might make sense, but so many comments have absolutely nothing to do with the NASL. Saying that they did X and you would prefer they did Y for NASL is one thing. Lots of flaming with I hate X with no connection between X and the NASL is another. | ||
Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
No available replays is BS, sorry. Sell the "show" (games commented, production value, etc) but make the frekin replays available for their education value. I hope Blizzard puts an end to this practice (Gom) | ||
Alou
United States3748 Posts
On February 23 2011 01:52 Sapphire.lux wrote: ""We're talking about creating additional content as well like giving them access to replays but then we thought that was kind of silly because it only takes one person to get a replay and then the whole internet has the replay."" No available replays is BS, sorry. Sell the "show" (games commented, production value, etc) but make the frekin replays available for their education value. I hope Blizzard puts an end to this practice (Gom) I would love for replays to be released like a week after. Like week 1 replays are in a pack released on Week 2 or something. But I think they might be putting it as paid content if I remember reading that on the FAQ or something. | ||
Tiazi
Netherlands761 Posts
On February 23 2011 01:32 Eeryck wrote: I think it is reasonable to be concerned about the quality of the product that is being presented as the NASL. When you watch the GSL you see a very nicely polished and finished product that is comparable to watching a modern sporting event in terms of production quality. While NASL has just been born, they have a standard that they need to not only meet but exceed in all aspects, the GSL. Seeing the role out here is what I saw and a bit of constructive critisism: The Hype - Well done, leaks intentional or not helped build the suspense nasl.tv - Moderate, it served its purpose but is not presented in a premier fashion. The small details are what makes the best the best. We are talking about professional e-sports, there is no reason for the primary vehicle to be anything but the best The show match - Moderate, choosing two well known players that both got Code S is the obvious choice. But it could also bee seen as a mistake. Instead of providing epic matches that were nail biters we got to see what is becoming a clear division of class of players. Causing some concern that the player pool in the west may not be of the same caliber of the GSL. Perhaps choosing two players not currently participating in the GSL could have avoided this comparison. This is a case where hindsight is 20/20 The casting - It is too early to make any final judgments, but there is a lot of room for improvement. I think it is important for a "personality" in control of their mannerisms and facial expressions. I was constantly surprised at how much the casters gave away in body language of their preference and expectations. It made me appreciate more the synergy between Tasteless and Artosis. This takes time and self analysis though to become good. Hopefully we will see improvement and less team bias in future casts, with a good synergy developing that is unique to nasl and not stealing from the already established GSL casting comments. Production quality - Poor, I only watched the VOD but the casting was so out of sync with the play that it was unbearable to watch. By the time the commented on the action we already watched it happen. I realize that this could be a function of the recording and I hope that is the case. The live stream was probably sync'd properly. This comment only comes again because I would like to see NASL show as a premier league and see them hold themselves to the highest standard. Of course the show match was not an official nasl.tv event but as it was the announcement of the league, again spit and polish would have made a better first impression The potential - Excelent, the stage is set. The build order is in place. Can the people involved at the core refine it to have no bumps. I think so. They really only have a list of rather minor issues to sort out at this point. They had a good dry run and are getting a lot of feedback. The biggest hurdle was probably seen as the prize pool and with that established it is just a matter of time and getting the right people to make this a premier league. I also believe the money and foreign competition will motivate and elevate the level of play to that of the GSL in time. Perhaps 2-3 seasons. I plan to support the NASL, but my expectations remain extremely high. So does my confidence that those involved will deliver an exceptional product. Beautiful post. Well written /agree. | ||
ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On February 23 2011 01:50 Alou wrote: There will be a lot of delay and it could seriously harm their performance in games. It seems perfectly reasonable for some players to want to come back to the US or perhaps Europe where the delay is less to compete in NASL. They might not all immediately drop GSL and come to NASL, or some might compete in both, but going back to their homes to focus on NASL is perfectly reasonable. Stop exaggerating. Please explain the exaggeration part. You seem to believe that Jinro won't participate in NASL from Korea. Do you want to make a bet? ![]() | ||
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theBullFrog
United States515 Posts
On February 23 2011 01:52 Sapphire.lux wrote: ""We're talking about creating additional content as well like giving them access to replays but then we thought that was kind of silly because it only takes one person to get a replay and then the whole internet has the replay."" No available replays is BS, sorry. Sell the "show" (games commented, production value, etc) but make the frekin replays available for their education value. I hope Blizzard puts an end to this practice (Gom) I think you should be glad top players give away some of their replays. Let alone every show match that is release by them. Its their choice to give it away. for what ? educational value? What about profit value? Hd and Husky makes money from their replays (not tryin to take anything away from those two at all) while the players don't right now. | ||
bmg4ever
Germany74 Posts
On February 23 2011 01:20 skipgamer wrote: For those who don't realise, the prize money is on par with CPL in its hay-day, ESWC and the WCG... Which were/are all spread across multiple games. ye and we all know how 2 of these storys ended and exactly for that reason esports history tells us to be somewhat suspicious if there is and extraordinary prize money announcement with yet not much else visible behind it. maybe if you know cpl, eswc and wcg you remember that aswell: http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/14938/1-Million-Halo-3-Competition/ especially the lack of any sponsorship at all + the first impressions we all got from webpage, trailer and showmatch makes me a bit worried, but of course i would be the first one signing my season ticket if they can totally convince with their performance in the next month | ||
Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On February 23 2011 01:54 Alou wrote: I would love for replays to be released like a week after. Like week 1 replays are in a pack released on Week 2 or something. But I think they might be putting it as paid content if I remember reading that on the FAQ or something. I think it's against the ToS to sell replays. So only possibilities is that they just don't release them or they release them. Selling them would cause a shit storm I think. | ||
TheAura
96 Posts
But I wonder if incontrol keeping it such a secret was the best idea. Sure the hype was nice and whatnot but many people are making valid points in this thread, such constructional criticism could have ironed out some iffy ideas and made this better overall. My main concern, as has been stated, is how it is ~90% invitational. It should really be alot more open to allow for more competition and allow newer players to actually have more of a chance to do well and to move up. What i like most about GSL is that it has what is organised like a minor league and a major league. You must move up through the minors to get into the majors. It adds excitement to see players fall out and get into different divisions. I m rather excited to see + Show Spoiler + IMMVP fight for his code S status at the end of this gsl. The way this is set up seems like the only way to get into it is to prove yourself in many other tournaments to get invited, or to win a single tournament which will no doubt have ridiculously hard lineup. The current setup for NASL would be fine, and i doubt would see anywhere near as many complaints, if it were a single huge tournament, but the fact it is deemed a league and will have multiple seasons makes the current setup not favored. | ||
Alou
United States3748 Posts
On February 23 2011 01:55 ptbl wrote: Please explain the exaggeration part. You seem to believe that Jinro won't participate in NASL from Korea. Do you want to make a bet? ![]() Please point out where I said "jinro won't participate in NASL from Korea." I'm saying its perfectly reasonable for some of the current players in Korea to want to turn their focus away from the GSL and back on to NASL and other tournaments in NA and EU. Let's say HuK loses his next match. He might decide Korea isn't the best for him and he has a better chance succeeding back home. This would be a perfectly reasonable thing for him to do with the NASL now being announced. I'm not saying everyone is going to just pack up from Korea and say "Fuck GSL." I'm saying that the competitions in NA and EU are growing and GSL is starting to look less like that shining tournament on a hill and more of a hindrance in that you can compete in less tournaments globally and arguably miss out on more opportunities than you gain from going to Korea. You said you don't see why IdrA left Korea, I'm saying it's a perfectly reasonable thing for him to do and makes sense. Yea, some of the TL members in Korea will probably compete, some even from Korea. Yea, some Koreans will probably compete as well, I think Incontrol said he's looking at getting around 5 or so in that G4 interview. But you seem to be holding GSL on a mountain when really it's only on a hill now, if even that. That's where I think you are exaggerating. | ||
ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On February 23 2011 02:06 Alou wrote: Please point out where I said "jinro won't participate in NASL from Korea." I'm saying its perfectly reasonable for some of the current players in Korea to want to turn their focus away from the GSL and back on to NASL and other tournaments in NA and EU. Let's say HuK loses his next match. He might decide Korea isn't the best for him and he has a better chance succeeding back home. This would be a perfectly reasonable thing for him to do with the NASL now being announced. I'm not saying everyone is going to just pack up from Korea and say "Fuck GSL." I'm saying that the competitions in NA and EU are growing and GSL is starting to look less like that shining tournament on a hill and more of a hindrance in that you can compete in less tournaments globally and arguably miss out on more opportunities than you gain from going to Korea. You said you don't see why IdrA left Korea, I'm saying it's a perfectly reasonable thing for him to do and makes sense. Yea, some of the TL members in Korea will probably compete, some even from Korea. Yea, some Koreans will probably compete as well, I think Incontrol said he's looking at getting around 5 or so in that G4 interview. But you seem to be holding GSL on a mountain when really it's only on a hill now, if even that. That's where I think you are exaggerating. You made a post that try to refute a post where I made that Team Liquid members like Jinro will compete in NASL from Korea. As for your Huk argument, I guess you didn't read the foreigner special interview. Congratulations! This is our first foreigner special interview with you, and it's starting off on a good note. How did you feel after the match? Felt really good, at worst now I can play in Code A again. Is it a relief to finally get a GSL broadcast win under your belt? Of course, especially since now at worst I get to play Code A again next season, but yes huge relief. Hopefully the next matches I won't be so nervous. Even if Huk fails his next match, it seems Huk will stay because he's assured of a code A spot. | ||
Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On February 23 2011 01:54 Alou wrote: I would love for replays to be released like a week after. Like week 1 replays are in a pack released on Week 2 or something. But I think they might be putting it as paid content if I remember reading that on the FAQ or something. Exactly. 1 week, 1 month i don't care. If there is one particular game i want to see the replay of i want the ability to do so. On February 23 2011 01:57 theBullFrog wrote: I think you should be glad top players give away some of their replays. Let alone every show match that is release by them. Its their choice to give it away. for what ? educational value? What about profit value? Hd and Husky makes money from their replays (not tryin to take anything away from those two at all) while the players don't right now. All replays are the property of Blizzard entertainment, like it or not. Pro players make money by wining games, sponsors, etc. | ||
SpiritAshura
United States1271 Posts
lol. incontrol has a good sense of humor while still being serious about what he does, props! | ||
Tachyon
Denmark146 Posts
Gogo eSports! | ||
BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
I have to agree with all the whiners and flamers in this thread. How dare you announce a tournament with a 400.000$ prize pool while doing everything wrong. How dare you to decide to make a tournament that is not catering to EVERYONES tastes. I dont understand it. How can you expect us to be satisfied with that and to thank you for you efforts. A cap of 5 Koreans so there is only a minimal chance that the other players could experience problems is just plain stupid. Koreans are in general superior to anyone else in starcraft and starcraft 2, so why would you try to make it fair to the EU and NA players. They will lose anyways. How dare you ask for sooo much money for a tournament that is only going to be 9-10 weeks of content. For the same amount of money i could go to the cinema twice. Yes twice. There is so much to talk about here. We only get a free stream and a free restream at normal hours in europe? I have to pay for the vods? Thats unacceptable, i want everything for free. I want a top notch production with live tv standards on the first day and i want your promise, before you even start streeming, that it will be awesome. And if it is not i want you to pay a fine. Ah yes on the matter of fining players for their behavior. This is ridiculous. So people who are late to their games or dont show up at all should be punished? Players whose internet connection is trash will be punished? That makes no sense at all. They want to participate, but if their internet is crappy and if they dont want to make sure that they are actually able to play in an online tournament, than the other players and the viewers just have to wait. And most importantly how dare you to expect me to read the info in the op and your interview. I expect you to answer personally to every poster in this thread no matter how many times they ask the same question and it does not matter if it was answered in the interview. This thread is the funniest thing i have ever read on TL. There are so many people with psychic powers on tl that we could save all the worlds problems. So many people already know the outcome and can forsee how most of the ideas the invertors of this league thought of will fail. Please Incontrol do not give up and keep up your efforts for this project. Dont let the hate that seems to go around on this site get to you. I wish you and the creators of this project all the luck and support you need, because it sounds awesome and is something i have been hoping for in years. | ||
falcoiii
Canada43 Posts
As was stated in a b-net forum - if NASL fails, there will be no SC2 league in NA for years. 1. Stop playing second fiddle to GSL. NASL is badass. It is the most lucrative starcraft league and can attract the best players bar none. To prove this, do not ever use the term "foreigner" - say "North American". Do not refer to other tournaments as "the best (competition/starcraft/scene/etc...)" The GSL is great, but those involved are here to promote NASL not cow-tow to other tournaments. Don't mention other tournamenents or simply call them "other tournaments / leagues" 2. Fix the production issues with the video. The sound was off, the video editting was lacking, put a lighting on Artossis, show the people playing not just the casters, etc.. etc... Sure you have heard that it was amateur - that means there's plenty of room to improve. I am not a producer by any means - please hire a producer, a website designer, an editor / sound operator. Pay them based on the success of NASL so they have skin in the game to get people engaged. Also,. 3. You created great hype - there is a lot of buzz. Keep it up. Have a big kick-off and a big finals. Doesn't have to be big budget, just a big turn-out. 4. For the commentary: have at least one "expert" who is a current/former pro-gamer (won at least $1000 playing SC/SC2) and at least one non-expert - someone who is not in the masters league but has a good personality and style to attract newbies and not annoy the pros. 5 Make heroes not nerds. SC2 winners should be put on a pedastel, not called nerds. Give them something concrete they can wear / have / use if they win. Having the NASL season 1 winner wear his winner's jacket in season 2 gives everyone an emotional tie and a goal to strive for. 6. Play up the "evil idra" angle. It creates controversy and attention. 7. Know what you are going to say. Have a BIG WHITEBOARD just off camera for the match with the contestants names, the maps, who won each game and a few topics to talk about the matchup during the down times. "The 6th game is going to be played on..... on.... some awesome map". 8. Very important - get sponsors. NASL is going to be expensive to run. Money can help improve production quality and increase the prize pool. Hire a salesman on heavy commission to go after one food/beverage, one computer technology, one clothing 9. Make sure the servers don't go down. Buy server-time in a cloud offering such as amazon or if justin.tv is doing it, rake them over the coals until you are 110% sure the live stream will work. Make sure you or justin.tv "macro out" a silly number of servers ready to handle the live-stream. 10. Listen to your fans. Many people have many good ideas, sometimes buried in long winded or juvenille posts. Best of luck & see you in season 1! | ||
Doso
Germany769 Posts
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CASLsoju
Canada253 Posts
On February 23 2011 02:22 Doso wrote: 400k without a single word on the Sponsor.. seriously.. wtf? This entire thing is horribly organized. | ||
BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
you are absolutely right. it has not even started yet, but it is clear that this is the worst thing that ever happened to esport. [/endsarcasm] | ||
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