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Russian Federation4405 Posts
On December 10 2010 23:15 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 18:09 _Quasar_ wrote:
And since they said they do not see esports as a source of profit, they should make an agreement (but not only they, MBC and OGN too), so that the Blizzard will be somewhat promoted through these broadcasts so that we'll see that this is not only the product of OGN, but of the developer company too. That would be correct from all points of view #_# You believe the company line? In recent times, Activision Blizzard has been monetizing all sorts of things. Although Microsoft has not directly confirmed it, most industry observers conclude that pressure/leverage from CoD caused MSFT to increase the price on XBox Live, with a portion of that revenue going to ATVI. And that's just one example among many. Also, YEARS ago, before this entire conflict started, Blizzard's branding was prominently displayed in BW leagues. But of course one doesn't continue to promote someone who refuses to offer reasonable licensing terms, and later, sues you. Thanks for the update.
I believe what they said officially. They say it for us and everyone to believe -___- And it's kind of main statement in that interview.
If they lie in it, this is really a bad PR for them. That's unacceptable. What's the reason to cooperate with some company that is able to lie that bad? They aren't a monopoly of video games. There are Lineage instead of WoW, will be Valve Dota instead of their own, SC2 is just shit (IMHO. But everyone says it has many more holes and flaws than BW), the only truly unique game they have made (looong ago) is Starcraft. But everyone already bought SC, they won't make many profit on it.
edit: And I'm serious, that's not a threat, I just know that it will happen this way (If, of course, they are not telling the truth).
To fool many people was a way to gain something in the middle/end of 20th century, but now it's falling out of trend. =/ They better not lie or this will end badly for them.
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Why does it seem like everyone forgets that all corporations in every industry protects their IP rights and yet in this case they act as if IP rights do not deserve to be recognized?
But does auditing KeSPA and controlling player contracts fall under IP rights?
Blizzard has asked for many things which its unclear whether they're entitled to.
when their ultimate trump card that they have over all of the broadcasting companies is the ability to kill BW.
I don't think turning it into abandonware would help Blizzards legal position any.
If they really wanted to mess with things they should make a new patch... every week...
To fool many people was a way to gain something in the middle/end of 20th century, but now it's falling out of trend. =/ They better not lie or this will end badly for them.
I'm not saying they're lying here, but to think that all companies everywhere have stopped lying is just silly.
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
No they all haven't stopped lying. But this is an important case with very much at the stake. To lie at this moment in the very main part of the official statement is just plainly wrong.
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On December 11 2010 06:02 gyth wrote:Show nested quote +Why does it seem like everyone forgets that all corporations in every industry protects their IP rights and yet in this case they act as if IP rights do not deserve to be recognized? Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 gyth wrote:
But does auditing KeSPA and controlling player contracts fall under IP rights?
Blizzard has asked for many things which its unclear whether they're entitled to.
Auditing a Business Partner with outside, independent auditors is done all the time in the financial industry. Blizzard has every right to ask for an independent audit wit help from any of the Big Four (Deloitte, KPMG, PWC, H&R Block). I imagine their intentions is to see where KeSPA's licensing fees actually went too. It seems everyone is forgetting that KeSPA forced MBC and OGN to pay licensing fees for BW, when they did not set up the leagues or organize them themselves. KeSPA represents sponsors for teams, they represent players in the sense that players need to join KeSPA to get a progaming card through courage and be recruited onto a team. How is there any logic in people not wanting Blizzard to have their IP rights acknowledged and at the same time allow KeSPA to collect broadcasting fees on the same Intellectual property?
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KeSPA is not collecting fees for broadcasting BW. KeSPA's collecting fees for broadcasting ProLeague, which happens to be their creation.
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On December 11 2010 06:30 maybenexttime wrote:
KeSPA is not collecting fees for broadcasting BW. KeSPA's collecting fees for broadcasting ProLeague, which happens to be their creation.
OGN's creation.*** KeSPA stole it.
Anywho I guess we have to wait till the 28th of January to see how much progress can be made. It's comforting that Blizzard still remains willing to mediate although they still remain undecided (they haven't said they won't do it, but it would be bad PR) on injunctions. Thanks for translating, this is a case to be followed closely.
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On December 11 2010 05:46 _Quasar_ wrote:
the only truly unique game they have made (looong ago) is Starcraft.
pardon, but this just rub be the wrong way ..
D2 was the most unique ..
starcraft was Warhammer that was from most sci-fi with cult followings ..
Diablo on the other hand ..
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On December 11 2010 08:11 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 06:30 maybenexttime wrote:
KeSPA is not collecting fees for broadcasting BW. KeSPA's collecting fees for broadcasting ProLeague, which happens to be their creation. OGN's creation.*** KeSPA stole it.
And that changes things how? The point is still the same: KeSPA's fees are about broadcasting Proleague, not BW.
If you want to have a debate about who owns Proleague IP, thats up to OGN/MBC/KeSPA—Blizzard has nothing to do with it.
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On December 10 2010 16:39 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 16:37 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
This should set an interesting case study for Entertainment and Multimedia Company's protecting International Intellectual Property Rights. This case could set an precedent in sports-media regarding IP rights. Really a shame that it had to get to this.
It seems very amusing that MBC Game is requesting a "lawsuit cost collateral request", as Activision-Blizzard is a very wealthy company (especially from their WoW subscriptions for the past 5-6 years). Seems like a maneuver to buy more time for MBC to solidify their case. I wonder if Blizzard issue a "cease and desist" on this PDPOP MSL or if MSL goes another season than future MSLs. Activision-Blizard has stated that they have no intention of killing BW, so it seems unlikely that they will go back on their word and pursue such legal action. I am hoping for the best as watching BW is more enjoyable for me than SC2. It's going to be ridiculously bad PR if Actiblizz does end up killing BW, since they've said they have no intentions of doing so. They're in a big bind right now. They have to win and show dominance over IP rights without crippling the broadcasting companies to the point where BW falters. That's also probably why Actiblizz has not (and will not?) pursue an injunction.
But didn't they file an injunction? Did they withdraw it or did it get declined?
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On December 11 2010 09:21 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 08:11 xBillehx wrote:On December 11 2010 06:30 maybenexttime wrote:
KeSPA is not collecting fees for broadcasting BW. KeSPA's collecting fees for broadcasting ProLeague, which happens to be their creation. OGN's creation.*** KeSPA stole it. And that changes things how? The point is still the same: KeSPA's fees are about broadcasting Proleague, not BW. If you want to have a debate about who owns Proleague IP, thats up to OGN/MBC/KeSPA—Blizzard has nothing to do with it.
Did I imply it changed anything? Did I even try to argue the point? There's no need for another thread to be derailed into arguing IP.
On December 11 2010 09:31 Simplistik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 16:39 infinitestory wrote:On December 10 2010 16:37 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
This should set an interesting case study for Entertainment and Multimedia Company's protecting International Intellectual Property Rights. This case could set an precedent in sports-media regarding IP rights. Really a shame that it had to get to this.
It seems very amusing that MBC Game is requesting a "lawsuit cost collateral request", as Activision-Blizzard is a very wealthy company (especially from their WoW subscriptions for the past 5-6 years). Seems like a maneuver to buy more time for MBC to solidify their case. I wonder if Blizzard issue a "cease and desist" on this PDPOP MSL or if MSL goes another season than future MSLs. Activision-Blizard has stated that they have no intention of killing BW, so it seems unlikely that they will go back on their word and pursue such legal action. I am hoping for the best as watching BW is more enjoyable for me than SC2. It's going to be ridiculously bad PR if Actiblizz does end up killing BW, since they've said they have no intentions of doing so. They're in a big bind right now. They have to win and show dominance over IP rights without crippling the broadcasting companies to the point where BW falters. That's also probably why Actiblizz has not (and will not?) pursue an injunction. But didn't they file an injunction? Did they withdraw it or did it get declined?
They haven't attempted to yet and it's still undecided on if they will. They probably won't try unless the case is constantly delayed because it'd be extremely bad PR.
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I believe MBC is just trying to buy time or something. With the success of Starcraft 2 and all blizzard games really (World of warcraft) Blizzard has some DEEP pockets and im sure they can pay the court costs quiet easily... I dont really know who i want to win this case, i kinda want starcraft 1 to continue to be a pro sport because i love watching the games, but also i can understand blizzard wanting some of the money that their game generates. I dont agree with blizzard wanting the rights to everything MBCgame broadcasts stacraft related and the right to audit them. I really wish they could all just get along, Blizzard has plenty of money from World of Warcraft, and im not sure but starcraft 1 progaming doesnt bring in as much money as it used too...
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Contrary to popular belief Blizzard probably actually doesn't care about the income from SC1 or SC2 pro-gaming.
Why? Because it's all about the marketing baby.
Regardless of which game it is, having Starcraft on television and pushing it's popularity into the television of other countries is the true worth. Hence why protecting the IP and demanding it to be recognized is so important to them.
I predict a few months of muscle flexing in the courtroom of both sides showing they are serious and then a settlement, neither side will benefit from extending this courtcase far from the proceedings.
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I don't see how this is good at all tbh, uncertainty stunts growth.
I know most of the anti-Blizzard comments stem mostly from self interest anyways (boo evil Blizzard keep your hands off my BW.. also the reason why most of you sound so silly ><), but in the long run for BW to remain viable, sponsors to remain interested and so on it really would be in everyone's best interest to just get the damn thing over with.
They promised nothing btw, they stated a preference, in line with their stated desire for BW to live. If this is stalled for 5 years though, I doubt they wouldn't reconsider the option, which wouldn't be good either.
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Thanks for the update.
We'll have to see come January what happens. I'm still hoping this ends peaceably without killing the BW scene.
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Blizzard has plenty of money from World of Warcraft, and im not sure but starcraft 1 progaming doesnt bring in as much money as it used too...
This is the thing that totally blows my mind.
Blizzard makes more in a couple days from WoW than BW sees all year.
Even if everything went exactly as they wanted there was relatively little money to be made.
I think Blizzard would have made more money to gift BW to the people of Korea and just avoid getting bogged down in a PR morass.
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On December 11 2010 06:18 GhoSt[shield] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 06:02 gyth wrote:Why does it seem like everyone forgets that all corporations in every industry protects their IP rights and yet in this case they act as if IP rights do not deserve to be recognized? On December 11 2010 gyth wrote:
But does auditing KeSPA and controlling player contracts fall under IP rights?
Blizzard has asked for many things which its unclear whether they're entitled to.
Auditing a Business Partner with outside, independent auditors is done all the time in the financial industry. Blizzard has every right to ask for an independent audit wit help from any of the Big Four (Deloitte, KPMG, PWC, H&R Block). I imagine their intentions is to see where KeSPA's licensing fees actually went too. It seems everyone is forgetting that KeSPA forced MBC and OGN to pay licensing fees for BW, when they did not set up the leagues or organize them themselves. KeSPA represents sponsors for teams, they represent players in the sense that players need to join KeSPA to get a progaming card through courage and be recruited onto a team. How is there any logic in people not wanting Blizzard to have their IP rights acknowledged and at the same time allow KeSPA to collect broadcasting fees on the same Intellectual property?
Actually being one of my best friends a Senior Manager in KPMG, independent auditors arent usually made in this kind of bussines (Blizzard-Kespa), so your statement is wrong.
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I think that Blizzard is going to win w/out any negotiations. They were given a warning and just ignored it. Blizzard was nice enough to give them a warning. Don't they make money from people watching the game and they do not have IP Rights so that is technically illegal right?
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On December 11 2010 06:18 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
Auditing a Business Partner with outside, independent auditors is done all the time in the financial industry. Blizzard has every right to ask for an independent audit wit help from any of the Big Four (Deloitte, KPMG, PWC, H&R Block). I imagine their intentions is to see where KeSPA's licensing fees actually went too.
Blizzard did not ask for Kespa to be audited privately by an independent auditor...Blizzard wants to look at Kespa's books (an entirely different demand), which is not "done all the time". It's almost never done - seeing another company's books basically lets you understand their entire business, even when companies partner on projects this doesn't happen.
On December 11 2010 06:18 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
It seems everyone is forgetting that KeSPA forced MBC and OGN to pay licensing fees for BW, when they did not set up the leagues or organize them themselves. KeSPA represents sponsors for teams, they represent players in the sense that players need to join KeSPA to get a progaming card through courage and be recruited onto a team.
You do know that in most professional sports (like the NBA, MLB, etc), the leagues are jointly owned by the team owners? Not the broadcasters. Kespa represents the team owners...so it's not unusual that they "own" Proleague.
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I fully expect a settlement when MBC realizes they will lose. Blizzard will probably settle with terms of some kind of payment and/or an agreement to have mbc host and run sc2 leagues like bw has done in the past. Then OGN will follow a similar path. It is in Blizzards best interest to further esports over all money that can be gained from this suit (Because in the long run the esports will pay off the most). I just hope MBC/OGN don't claim bankruptcy or some other shit out of spite or something instead of working with blizzard.
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On December 11 2010 15:53 SpoR wrote:
I fully expect a settlement when MBC realizes they will lose. Blizzard will probably settle with terms of some kind of payment and/or an agreement to have mbc host and run sc2 leagues like bw has done in the past. Then OGN will follow a similar path. It is in Blizzards best interest to further esports over all money that can be gained from this suit (Because in the long run the esports will pay off the most). I just hope MBC/OGN don't claim bankruptcy or some other shit out of spite or something instead of working with blizzard.
There are a lot that have been said on this matter so there isnt much point in repeating them everytime. But i have a VERY hard time believing that to "further e-Sport" is to smash the foundation of the only successful e-Sport model EVER.
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