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On December 04 2010 06:33 VPC wrote:
I just think its stupid how Blizzard is after Kespa... There isn't that much money to be made from them, so I question their motives in this situation. Also, Blizzard is apart of a multi-BILLION dollar corporation... With that being said, 1.7 billion won is only roughly 1.5 million USD.. Are they really traveling to Korea, starting all of this, over that small amount of money?
This obviously isn't about the money they can earn directly from this. It's about setting a precedence. If they let Kespa make money from Blizzard's IP it will be much harder to stop the next guy from doing so. If that becomes the legal standard no games will be made and maintained for eSports anymore, since anyone can take it away. Obviously this is the extreme of what could result from this, but that's basically what it is about.
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On December 04 2010 08:05 JayDee_ wrote:Do Koreans believe their BS or just fanboy foreigners?
Blizzards PR releases regarding this have had a far higher % of bullshit than the Kespa ones. The only major lie in this is about player rights.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
the whole 'we are a non profit organization' thing makes me LOL every time
when kespa is merely a collaboration of all the big companies
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On December 04 2010 09:06 Rekrul wrote:
the whole 'we are a non profit organization' thing makes me LOL every time
when kespa is merely a collaboration of all the big companies
It doesnt matter if it is a collaboration of big copanies. It only matter what they do with the money they earn. So i dont know why you laugh. Is Kespa a normal company that make profit or not.
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On December 04 2010 09:17 Quarz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:06 Rekrul wrote:
the whole 'we are a non profit organization' thing makes me LOL every time
when kespa is merely a collaboration of all the big companies It doesnt matter if it is a collaboration of big copanies. It only matter what they do with the money they earn. So i dont know why you laugh. Is Kespa a normal company that make profit or not.
You're arguing with Rekrul, who is probably the foreigner with the best knowledge of the inner workings of the Korean SC scene. From his post on the new team organization in SC2, you can see that Kespa is not as friendly or non-profit as they'd like people to believe. It's a really good read, and a good contrast to Kespa's comments here. It shows that they're more concerned with recouping money in addition to their advertising than with "growing esports" or "player rights."
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On December 04 2010 08:53 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 08:05 JayDee_ wrote:On December 04 2010 07:57 Rekrul wrote:
kespa makes me laugh every time Do Koreans believe their BS or just fanboy foreigners? Blizzards PR releases regarding this have had a far higher % of bullshit than the Kespa ones. The only major lie in this is about player rights.
Kespa has never legally respected Blizzards IP rights. If they did, negotiations would have been over years ago.
They tried to use the "Communal Property" theory a long time ago when Blizzard started questioning what they were doing selling broadcasting rights for BW. It was crystal clear what Kespa meant by the statement.
I guess the Nada debacle is up for debate, but doesn't it seem a little too coincidental that his records were deleted soon after he switched to SC2? What are the odds of that timing? Astronomical.
Obviously this will only be settled in court, so I guess we have a lot of time to wait.
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On December 04 2010 09:24 Kishkumen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:17 Quarz wrote:On December 04 2010 09:06 Rekrul wrote:
the whole 'we are a non profit organization' thing makes me LOL every time
when kespa is merely a collaboration of all the big companies It doesnt matter if it is a collaboration of big copanies. It only matter what they do with the money they earn. So i dont know why you laugh. Is Kespa a normal company that make profit or not. You're arguing with Rekrul, who is probably the foreigner with the best knowledge of the inner workings of the Korean SC scene. From his post on the new team organization in SC2, you can see that Kespa is not as friendly or non-profit as they'd like people to believe. It's a really good read, and a good contrast to Kespa's comments here. It shows that they're more concerned with recouping money in addition to their advertising than with "growing esports" or "player rights."
I dont say "non-profit=friendly". I only say Kespa is fomal non-profit Organisation. No with this oneliner he has nothing to add. It is wrong.
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I have always had the impression that KeSPA have been making to many rules, and desisions to stay in control of possible developement in different arenas, that can "undermine" them. I have seen alot of controversy the last ten years. KeSPA being a non-profit .org is just so wrong.
As far as I can see, they have i.ex: "made money on renting out another mans appartement that they already rent themselves for a cheaper buck".
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On December 04 2010 09:34 JayDee_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 08:53 Scarecrow wrote:On December 04 2010 08:05 JayDee_ wrote:On December 04 2010 07:57 Rekrul wrote:
kespa makes me laugh every time Do Koreans believe their BS or just fanboy foreigners? Blizzards PR releases regarding this have had a far higher % of bullshit than the Kespa ones. The only major lie in this is about player rights. I guess the Nada debacle is up for debate, but doesn't it seem a little too coincidental that his records were deleted soon after he switched to SC2? What are the odds of that timing? Astronomical.
The records are stored on computer networks. Files are altered during state switches, certain files are deleted. As I've posted earlier this thread, this HAPPENS. All the time. And the odds of that timing are really high, considering noone probably touches the records at any other time.
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On December 04 2010 09:41 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:34 JayDee_ wrote:On December 04 2010 08:53 Scarecrow wrote:On December 04 2010 08:05 JayDee_ wrote:On December 04 2010 07:57 Rekrul wrote:
kespa makes me laugh every time Do Koreans believe their BS or just fanboy foreigners? Blizzards PR releases regarding this have had a far higher % of bullshit than the Kespa ones. The only major lie in this is about player rights. I guess the Nada debacle is up for debate, but doesn't it seem a little too coincidental that his records were deleted soon after he switched to SC2? What are the odds of that timing? Astronomical. The records are stored on computer networks. Files are altered during state switches, certain files are deleted. As I've posted earlier this thread, this HAPPENS. All the time. And the odds of that timing are really high, considering noone probably touches the records at any other time.
Fair enough. It's still a suspect error at the very least.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 04 2010 09:17 Quarz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:06 Rekrul wrote:
the whole 'we are a non profit organization' thing makes me LOL every time
when kespa is merely a collaboration of all the big companies It doesnt matter if it is a collaboration of big copanies. It only matter what they do with the money they earn. So i dont know why you laugh. Is Kespa a normal company that make profit or not.
oh
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On December 04 2010 09:17 Quarz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:06 Rekrul wrote:
the whole 'we are a non profit organization' thing makes me LOL every time
when kespa is merely a collaboration of all the big companies It doesnt matter if it is a collaboration of big copanies. It only matter what they do with the money they earn. So i dont know why you laugh. Is Kespa a normal company that make profit or not.
As someone else pointed out, the NFL and NHL are also non-profit companies. Guess what they do with their money? Reinvest it, pay salaries, advertising, etc exactly the same as KeSPA. NPO doesn't mean shit.
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Im not really sure whose side to be on here, but if Blizzard shuts down e-sports in Korea because of this BS, im going to stop playing Blizzard games forever. Period. No questions.
We already have leagues like CAL going away. E-sports is a new tough market, and intimidating companies is only going to hurt it more.
We need more E-sports companies rising from the shadows. We shouldnt be creating a situation for them that scares them from even starting up.
This is also a stupid move company wise, as having companies broadcast your game for free over a TV network is like free advertising 24/7.
My guess is that a lot of people are pirating the game in South Korea, and Blizzard is taking it out on Kespa. Whatever the case, i hope Blizzard knows what its doing and doesnt go too far.
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On December 04 2010 09:58 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:17 Quarz wrote:On December 04 2010 09:06 Rekrul wrote:
the whole 'we are a non profit organization' thing makes me LOL every time
when kespa is merely a collaboration of all the big companies It doesnt matter if it is a collaboration of big copanies. It only matter what they do with the money they earn. So i dont know why you laugh. Is Kespa a normal company that make profit or not. oh
oh.
lets see if we both get a ban  i doubt it.
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On December 04 2010 10:17 Cryosin wrote:
Im not really sure whose side to be on here, but if Blizzard shuts down e-sports in Korea because of this BS, im going to stop playing Blizzard games forever. Period. No questions.
We already have leagues like CAL going away. E-sports is a new tough market, and intimidating companies is only going to hurt it more.
We need more E-sports companies rising from the shadows. We shouldnt be creating a situation for them that scares them from even starting up.
This is also a stupid move company wise, as having companies broadcast your game for free over a TV network is like free advertising 24/7.
My guess is that a lot of people are pirating the game in South Korea, and Blizzard is taking it out on Kespa. Whatever the case, i hope Blizzard knows what its doing and doesnt go too far.
We need more E-sports companies rising from the shadows.
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We shouldnt be creating a situation for them that scares them from even starting up.
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This is also a stupid move company wise, as having companies broadcast your game for free over a TV network is like stealing 24/7.
My guess is that a lot of people are pirating the game in South Korea, and this has nothing to do with anything.
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I think it is very important that it is possible for all companies to be able to provide a sc2-broadcast product if they give Blizzard a good enough reflection of the game, set by standard quality criterias. Competition is very important for increase of quality.
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On December 04 2010 09:34 JayDee_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 08:53 Scarecrow wrote:On December 04 2010 08:05 JayDee_ wrote:On December 04 2010 07:57 Rekrul wrote:
kespa makes me laugh every time Do Koreans believe their BS or just fanboy foreigners? Blizzards PR releases regarding this have had a far higher % of bullshit than the Kespa ones. The only major lie in this is about player rights. Kespa has never legally respected Blizzards IP rights. If they did, negotiations would have been over years ago. They tried to use the "Communal Property" theory a long time ago when Blizzard started questioning what they were doing selling broadcasting rights for BW. It was crystal clear what Kespa meant by the statement.
This has been addressed over and over. KeSPA respects Blizzard's IP, but not under the definition and terms Blizzard wants to impose. They are willing to pay for using Starcraft, but any tournament-sponsoring organization would be insane to accept Blizzard's terms, which encompasses all kind of derived work. Not even Gretech; they just happen to be exempt because they do not need to negotiate IP licensing with themselves.
Once you digest the point of view that Starcraft != The Actual Matches (and the creative work involved to produce them), the "communal" comment is not as crystal clear.
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this feels like middle school drama. 
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Until Blizzard gets off their high horse on other issues I hope they get the kick in the nuts they deserve.
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