EPTKeSPA's response to Paul Sam's statements - Page 6
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
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mkfk1
United Kingdom153 Posts
2 sides arguing that they are right when in reality, both are greedy and want more power and influnce over a potential industry. | ||
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VPC
United States135 Posts
I just can't help but think that Blizzard is out of line in this situation. Kespa gives Blizzard free promotion of their product... They need to keep their greasy, money loving fingers out of Korea. If they really wanted to help e-Sports develop into something, then situations like this wouldn't exist. There are bigger fish to fry and by doing this they are dumping water on a fire that doesn't need to be extinguished. | ||
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Kazzabiss
1006 Posts
On December 04 2010 06:33 VPC wrote: I just think its stupid how Blizzard is after Kespa... There isn't that much money to be made from them, so I question their motives in this situation. Also, Blizzard is apart of a multi-BILLION dollar corporation... With that being said, 1.7 billion won is only roughly 1.5 million USD.. Are they really traveling to Korea, starting all of this, over that small amount of money? I just can't help but think that Blizzard is out of line in this situation. Kespa gives Blizzard free promotion of their product... They need to keep their greasy, money loving fingers out of Korea. If they really wanted to help e-Sports develop into something, then situations like this wouldn't exist. There are bigger fish to fry and by doing this they are dumping water on a fire that doesn't need to be extinguished. Blizzard is trying to develop Starcraft 2, which Kespa is fully against. Like you said there's no money in Brood War for Blizzard, but there is in their new game... | ||
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
On December 04 2010 06:52 mrdx wrote: The part when KeSPA mentioned protecting players' rights and expanding esport to other countries, I lol'ed. They are expanding... OSL finals in China, STX Masters in China, IEF.. China is the only other country in the world with any decent sized BW community left standing, what more do you want? | ||
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sihyunie
United States108 Posts
Now, Blizzard comes in and all this mess happened. I'm fine with all this since I really hated KeSPA ever since they asked for the broadcasting rights. What I really feel sorry about is that two broadcasting companies were they first ones to take hit. They were the ones who have lawsuit in their hands. If they could, they would've made a deal with Blizzard, but I believe they really can't because of control KeSPA has over the players. As much as I hate KeSPA, I think Blizzard getting everything they want will only hurt the eSports. I can't see any big companies willing to sponsor teams and players and provide all the nice supports BW players get today if KeSPA were to break down. Sure SC2 teams are getting sponsored, but they aren't anywhere near the level of BW, and I remember how the scene was in the early days of BW and a lot of players and teams couldn't support themselves. Maybe, SC2 scene will get big enough to be at the level BW is today, and it might have better structure than this KeSPA shenanigans (I really hope there will be players union to negotiate things with owners group, since players have basically no rights as of now, in BW and SC2), but I feel like there is an easier path of transition, and for now, maintaining KeSPA and the current BW scene is much smoother in my opinion. But then again, complete dismantling of BW scene may be more painful but quicker way to build a healthier eSports. | ||
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
On December 04 2010 06:52 mrdx wrote: The part when KeSPA mentioned protecting players' rights and expanding esport to other countries, I lol'ed. The part when Blizzard mentioned "Quality broadcasters", I lol'ed. | ||
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
If Blizzard is this power hungry company, why didn't it charge the same fees from GOMTV wanted to host the TG-Sambo Intel Classic Leagues for Brood War? If they paid any sort of fee at all, it was insignificant to mention and they offered VODs for those completely free even to this date which is something they don't do for the GSL leagues today. Even then it's Gretech that's charging the money for this service, not Blizzard. I would assume they're getting a good chunk of money from it as well. | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
On December 04 2010 07:25 Neo7 wrote: Riddle me this: If Blizzard is this power hungry company, why didn't it charge the same fees from GOMTV wanted to host the TG-Sambo Intel Classic Leagues for Brood War? If they paid any sort of fee at all, it was insignificant to mention and they offered VODs for those completely free even to this date which is something they don't do for the GSL leagues today. Even then it's Gretech that's charging the money for this service, not Blizzard. I would assume they're getting a good chunk of money from it as well. most people take a stand without being fully informed of the facts, or just ignore the inconvenient facts and take a side while hating the others just for the sake of hating someone, and there is also a group of "ZOMG BLIZZ GONNA KILL BW SCENE QQQQQQ" phobic people that paints blizzard as the devil of e-sport, just because they fear that the status quo of their beloved sport is threaten without thinking straight... i'd like to see them make the statement about "protecting their players right" bullshit with a straight face.. as for me, i'm tired of these barrage of statement/coutner-statements propaganda's, too many bullshit has been spewed and i can't be bothered to sift though it to see who's in the right, just stfu and settle it in the court already, since its obvious the 2 party aren't willing to compromise and come to an agreement... save everyone the time and trouble... edit: Oh crap, there goes my reaver post lol... | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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JayDee_
548 Posts
On December 04 2010 06:33 VPC wrote: I just think its stupid how Blizzard is after Kespa... There isn't that much money to be made from them, so I question their motives in this situation. Also, Blizzard is apart of a multi-BILLION dollar corporation... With that being said, 1.7 billion won is only roughly 1.5 million USD.. Are they really traveling to Korea, starting all of this, over that small amount of money? I just can't help but think that Blizzard is out of line in this situation. Kespa gives Blizzard free promotion of their product... They need to keep their greasy, money loving fingers out of Korea. If they really wanted to help e-Sports develop into something, then situations like this wouldn't exist. There are bigger fish to fry and by doing this they are dumping water on a fire that doesn't need to be extinguished. Everything Kespa said is an outright lie with the exception of their potential economic troubles. They have always been dubious liars who will cut anyone's throat as long as it helps them. Now they have to face the consequences of their piratical business practices. Walk the plank Captain Kespa. | ||
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FlowerbedOfDreams
Canada126 Posts
Might I also suggest that OPs on the Gretech_v_KeSPA subject be headlined by a link to the  KeSPA liquipedia article, just to avoid unnecessary discussions on the nature of KeSPA later on. Although that might need some expanding, now that I look at it.The thing that worries me the most about the distribution of IP rights is its effect on the VODs, streams and casters. While OGN/MBC have had no gripes with these (for as far as I can remember), the same can not be said of Gretech. They have been highly protective of their SC2 broadcasts (reasonable and expected), but IIRC (and someone please correct me, if not), one or more of the claims that ultimately took down John747 were over the GOMTV MSLs, to which I don't even think they should have rights (sponsors generally don't, do they?). I'm seriously concerned what might happen if Blizzard decide to enforce their share or monetise the broadcasting of Korean BW to the foreign community. OGN/MBC certainly wouln't care a whit over the well-being of their foreign viewership (except maybe China?), so they'll go with whatever Blizzard wants. A troubling possibility. On another note, I like how KeSPA actually went over Sams's statement point-for-point, as opposed to the usual election-campaign-type regurgetated monologue. Though I did cringe when they were commenting on player rights and contracts. Last I checked, the free agency was still a mess. And on a completely unrelated note, @gslavik: Lol, is that your Bnet handle?! Nothing against it, but I thought Blizzard would have banned it while you were still typing it in. | ||
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JayDee_
548 Posts
On December 04 2010 07:57 Rekrul wrote: kespa makes me laugh every time Do Koreans believe their BS or just fanboy foreigners? | ||
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SwiftSpear
Canada355 Posts
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Joroth
United States318 Posts
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Kazzabiss
1006 Posts
On December 04 2010 08:05 JayDee_ wrote: Do Koreans believe their BS or just fanboy foreigners? I don't what you mean here at all, but just as some reference for KesPA's laughable doings http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895 | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On December 04 2010 08:18 Kazzabiss wrote: I don't what you mean here at all, but just as some reference for KesPA's laughable doings http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895 one can easily construct such a biased list for any given company, i wouldn't trust that thread at all  but no, for the most part koreans dont like KeSPA, but there are korean fanboys who love blizzard so much to the point they're blind. it's no different in Korea or here really  | ||
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Kazzabiss
1006 Posts
On December 04 2010 08:21 Milkis wrote: one can easily construct such a biased list for any given company, i wouldn't trust that thread at all I'd like to see a list of why KesPA is good then | ||
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towers
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