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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
December 03 2010 21:13 GMT
#101
its good to see a softening of language on both sides, though Kespa has in this regard stepped up their game the most. Hopefully with this issue so much in the public eye, both sides will continue to soften their stance and find an amicable agreement.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
mkfk1
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom153 Posts
December 03 2010 21:27 GMT
#102
nothing new.

2 sides arguing that they are right when in reality, both are greedy and want more power and influnce over a potential industry.
VPC
Profile Joined May 2010
United States135 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 21:34:03
December 03 2010 21:33 GMT
#103
I just think its stupid how Blizzard is after Kespa... There isn't that much money to be made from them, so I question their motives in this situation. Also, Blizzard is apart of a multi-BILLION dollar corporation... With that being said, 1.7 billion won is only roughly 1.5 million USD.. Are they really traveling to Korea, starting all of this, over that small amount of money?

I just can't help but think that Blizzard is out of line in this situation. Kespa gives Blizzard free promotion of their product...

They need to keep their greasy, money loving fingers out of Korea. If they really wanted to help e-Sports develop into something, then situations like this wouldn't exist. There are bigger fish to fry and by doing this they are dumping water on a fire that doesn't need to be extinguished.

Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
December 03 2010 21:48 GMT
#104
On December 04 2010 06:33 VPC wrote:
I just think its stupid how Blizzard is after Kespa... There isn't that much money to be made from them, so I question their motives in this situation. Also, Blizzard is apart of a multi-BILLION dollar corporation... With that being said, 1.7 billion won is only roughly 1.5 million USD.. Are they really traveling to Korea, starting all of this, over that small amount of money?

I just can't help but think that Blizzard is out of line in this situation. Kespa gives Blizzard free promotion of their product...

They need to keep their greasy, money loving fingers out of Korea. If they really wanted to help e-Sports develop into something, then situations like this wouldn't exist. There are bigger fish to fry and by doing this they are dumping water on a fire that doesn't need to be extinguished.


Blizzard is trying to develop Starcraft 2, which Kespa is fully against. Like you said there's no money in Brood War for Blizzard, but there is in their new game...
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mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
December 03 2010 21:52 GMT
#105
The part when KeSPA mentioned protecting players' rights and expanding esport to other countries, I lol'ed.
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 21:59:50
December 03 2010 21:56 GMT
#106
On December 04 2010 06:52 mrdx wrote:
The part when KeSPA mentioned protecting players' rights and expanding esport to other countries, I lol'ed.

They are expanding... OSL finals in China, STX Masters in China, IEF..

China is the only other country in the world with any decent sized BW community left standing, what more do you want?
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sihyunie
Profile Joined June 2008
United States108 Posts
December 03 2010 21:59 GMT
#107
In the battle of two greedy corporations (KeSPA and Blizzard), two broadcasting companies suffer greatly. OGN took the first step into making what we know as eSports today (may be you can argue that it was Tooniverse). OGN refined the formats for the tournaments for both individual league and team league. MBCgame came on couple years later, but it created this nice rivalry, which really only help the scene as they were trying to create more and better contents. When pie became big enough, big corporations started to sponsor teams and players, signing contracts with players. OGN and MBCgame had to found and sponsor their own teams for the proleague just so that they can be part of the owner's group and have a say in the matter. Ultimately, proleague which was first started by OGN, was taken away by KeSPA and two broadcasting companies were forced to pay for the broadcasting rights. In order for their leagues to function, they have to oblige to KeSPA since KeSPA owns the players via contracts.
Now, Blizzard comes in and all this mess happened. I'm fine with all this since I really hated KeSPA ever since they asked for the broadcasting rights. What I really feel sorry about is that two broadcasting companies were they first ones to take hit. They were the ones who have lawsuit in their hands. If they could, they would've made a deal with Blizzard, but I believe they really can't because of control KeSPA has over the players.
As much as I hate KeSPA, I think Blizzard getting everything they want will only hurt the eSports. I can't see any big companies willing to sponsor teams and players and provide all the nice supports BW players get today if KeSPA were to break down. Sure SC2 teams are getting sponsored, but they aren't anywhere near the level of BW, and I remember how the scene was in the early days of BW and a lot of players and teams couldn't support themselves. Maybe, SC2 scene will get big enough to be at the level BW is today, and it might have better structure than this KeSPA shenanigans (I really hope there will be players union to negotiate things with owners group, since players have basically no rights as of now, in BW and SC2), but I feel like there is an easier path of transition, and for now, maintaining KeSPA and the current BW scene is much smoother in my opinion. But then again, complete dismantling of BW scene may be more painful but quicker way to build a healthier eSports.
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
December 03 2010 22:24 GMT
#108
On December 04 2010 06:52 mrdx wrote:
The part when KeSPA mentioned protecting players' rights and expanding esport to other countries, I lol'ed.

The part when Blizzard mentioned "Quality broadcasters", I lol'ed.
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
December 03 2010 22:25 GMT
#109
Riddle me this:

If Blizzard is this power hungry company, why didn't it charge the same fees from GOMTV wanted to host the TG-Sambo Intel Classic Leagues for Brood War? If they paid any sort of fee at all, it was insignificant to mention and they offered VODs for those completely free even to this date which is something they don't do for the GSL leagues today. Even then it's Gretech that's charging the money for this service, not Blizzard. I would assume they're getting a good chunk of money from it as well.
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 22:39:31
December 03 2010 22:38 GMT
#110
On December 04 2010 07:25 Neo7 wrote:
Riddle me this:

If Blizzard is this power hungry company, why didn't it charge the same fees from GOMTV wanted to host the TG-Sambo Intel Classic Leagues for Brood War? If they paid any sort of fee at all, it was insignificant to mention and they offered VODs for those completely free even to this date which is something they don't do for the GSL leagues today. Even then it's Gretech that's charging the money for this service, not Blizzard. I would assume they're getting a good chunk of money from it as well.



most people take a stand without being fully informed of the facts, or just ignore the inconvenient facts and take a side while hating the others just for the sake of hating someone, and there is also a group of "ZOMG BLIZZ GONNA KILL BW SCENE QQQQQQ" phobic people that paints blizzard as the devil of e-sport, just because they fear that the status quo of their beloved sport is threaten without thinking straight...


i'd like to see them make the statement about "protecting their players right" bullshit with a straight face..

as for me, i'm tired of these barrage of statement/coutner-statements propaganda's, too many bullshit has been spewed and i can't be bothered to sift though it to see who's in the right, just stfu and settle it in the court already, since its obvious the 2 party aren't willing to compromise and come to an agreement... save everyone the time and trouble...

edit: Oh crap, there goes my reaver post lol...
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
December 03 2010 22:57 GMT
#111
kespa makes me laugh every time
why so 진지해?
JayDee_
Profile Joined June 2010
548 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 23:00:43
December 03 2010 22:59 GMT
#112
On December 04 2010 06:33 VPC wrote:
I just think its stupid how Blizzard is after Kespa... There isn't that much money to be made from them, so I question their motives in this situation. Also, Blizzard is apart of a multi-BILLION dollar corporation... With that being said, 1.7 billion won is only roughly 1.5 million USD.. Are they really traveling to Korea, starting all of this, over that small amount of money?

I just can't help but think that Blizzard is out of line in this situation. Kespa gives Blizzard free promotion of their product...

They need to keep their greasy, money loving fingers out of Korea. If they really wanted to help e-Sports develop into something, then situations like this wouldn't exist. There are bigger fish to fry and by doing this they are dumping water on a fire that doesn't need to be extinguished.


Everything Kespa said is an outright lie with the exception of their potential economic troubles. They have always been dubious liars who will cut anyone's throat as long as it helps them. Now they have to face the consequences of their piratical business practices. Walk the plank Captain Kespa.
FlowerbedOfDreams
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada126 Posts
December 03 2010 23:04 GMT
#113
Firstly, thanks to Milkis for the translation.
Might I also suggest that OPs on the Gretech_v_KeSPA subject be headlined by a link to the (Wiki)KeSPA liquipedia article, just to avoid unnecessary discussions on the nature of KeSPA later on. Although that might need some expanding, now that I look at it.

The thing that worries me the most about the distribution of IP rights is its effect on the VODs, streams and casters. While OGN/MBC have had no gripes with these (for as far as I can remember), the same can not be said of Gretech. They have been highly protective of their SC2 broadcasts (reasonable and expected), but IIRC (and someone please correct me, if not), one or more of the claims that ultimately took down John747 were over the GOMTV MSLs, to which I don't even think they should have rights (sponsors generally don't, do they?). I'm seriously concerned what might happen if Blizzard decide to enforce their share or monetise the broadcasting of Korean BW to the foreign community. OGN/MBC certainly wouln't care a whit over the well-being of their foreign viewership (except maybe China?), so they'll go with whatever Blizzard wants. A troubling possibility.

On another note, I like how KeSPA actually went over Sams's statement point-for-point, as opposed to the usual election-campaign-type regurgetated monologue. Though I did cringe when they were commenting on player rights and contracts. Last I checked, the free agency was still a mess.

And on a completely unrelated note, @gslavik: Lol, is that your Bnet handle?! Nothing against it, but I thought Blizzard would have banned it while you were still typing it in.
"SKT is best KT." -Vortok
JayDee_
Profile Joined June 2010
548 Posts
December 03 2010 23:05 GMT
#114
On December 04 2010 07:57 Rekrul wrote:
kespa makes me laugh every time

Do Koreans believe their BS or just fanboy foreigners?
SwiftSpear
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada355 Posts
December 03 2010 23:13 GMT
#115
In a nutshell: Blizzard wants money, Kespa wants money, they are still unable to agree on how much money each should get.
Joroth
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States318 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 23:17:25
December 03 2010 23:16 GMT
#116
"you have buildings that are better than my race go fuck yourself" -IdrA
Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
December 03 2010 23:18 GMT
#117
On December 04 2010 08:05 JayDee_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 07:57 Rekrul wrote:
kespa makes me laugh every time

Do Koreans believe their BS or just fanboy foreigners?

I don't what you mean here at all, but just as some reference for KesPA's laughable doings
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895
ALL ABOARD THE INTERNET BANDWAGON
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 23:21:45
December 03 2010 23:21 GMT
#118
On December 04 2010 08:18 Kazzabiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 08:05 JayDee_ wrote:
On December 04 2010 07:57 Rekrul wrote:
kespa makes me laugh every time

Do Koreans believe their BS or just fanboy foreigners?

I don't what you mean here at all, but just as some reference for KesPA's laughable doings
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895


one can easily construct such a biased list for any given company, i wouldn't trust that thread at all

but no, for the most part koreans dont like KeSPA, but there are korean fanboys who love blizzard so much to the point they're blind. it's no different in Korea or here really
Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
December 03 2010 23:22 GMT
#119
On December 04 2010 08:21 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 08:18 Kazzabiss wrote:
On December 04 2010 08:05 JayDee_ wrote:
On December 04 2010 07:57 Rekrul wrote:
kespa makes me laugh every time

Do Koreans believe their BS or just fanboy foreigners?

I don't what you mean here at all, but just as some reference for KesPA's laughable doings
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895


one can easily construct such a biased list for any given company, i wouldn't trust that thread at all

I'd like to see a list of why KesPA is good then
ALL ABOARD THE INTERNET BANDWAGON
towers
Profile Joined September 2010
33 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 23:29:02
December 03 2010 23:23 GMT
#120
All I want to say is I'm damn glad the original creators of football, baseball, hockey, gymnastics, track and field, etc. aren't living in today's world. What a horrible place it would be.
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