EPTKeSPA's response to Paul Sam's statements - Page 8
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oRacLeGosu
Norway151 Posts
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10292 Posts
There are reasons/explanations for the higher charge that Blizzard/Gom requires and some of the other stuff presented here to be unfair to Kespa in the other thread that was started, titled something about clearing misconceptions between Blizzard/Gretech vs Kespa/OGN/MBC. | ||
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Furycrab
Canada456 Posts
On December 04 2010 09:17 Quarz wrote: It doesnt matter if it is a collaboration of big copanies. It only matter what they do with the money they earn. So i dont know why you laugh. Is Kespa a normal company that make profit or not. What Rekrul I'm guessing is laughing at... and It makes me giggle a little too I guess. Is that stating you are non-profit doesn't really mean all that much if you are hiding funds or paying high end executives ridiculous salaries you refuse to disclose. (Major point of contention that KeSPA doesn't want to let go... Audit... wonder why, hehe) | ||
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Zeller
United States1109 Posts
On December 04 2010 13:35 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: This thread is very one sided... and I don't agree with what Kespa is doing and will not accept them for things such as deleting Nada's stats due to a "computer error". Seriously, what are the coincidences it was an accident that happened to happen with Nada's SC2 activity? I know you are arguing a point so ofc it is one sided, but I don't agree with Kespa. There are reasons/explanations for the higher charge that Blizzard/Gom requires and some of the other stuff presented here to be unfair to Kespa in the other thread that was started, titled something about clearing misconceptions between Blizzard/Gretech vs Kespa/OGN/MBC. Yeah no crap, a random computer error that coincidentally happens when he says hes going to play SC2. And a few hours of a huge angry response from fans the "error" luckily was fixed. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
so now ask urself why only nada and not the other pros? give me just 1 good reason for that. personal hate for nada? highly doubt it. | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On December 04 2010 14:32 rasers wrote: srsly ur dumb? sry. but when else should this happen? they only touch this stats when he wins something and when they have 2 change the status. so now ask urself why only nada and not the other pros? give me just 1 good reason for that. personal hate for nada? highly doubt it. i can tell you why nada and not the other pros though the other pros are still registered on kespa's website :O | ||
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Catalyst
Japan77 Posts
Blizzard has commented that KeSPA and the Progame teams restrict the freedom of the players, and that Blizzard would renovate this system by raising eSports and the players in the proper way. But, KeSPA and the Progame teams do not restrict the freedoms of the players themselves. Every player enters the Progame team only after plenty of negotiations with a contract that is unique to the player, and the player himself has complete freedom to choose where he wants to go. The Progame team provides the player with a moderate salary that follows from their contract and a stable environment where they can practice. ...it reminds me of the drama and frustrations surrounding Jaedong's departure from and return to Oz. Kespa didn't seem to live up to those words then, though that was a complicated affair as well. I don't necessarily agree with all that Blizzard is doing, but Kespa does seem to be far worse... | ||
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FlowerbedOfDreams
Canada126 Posts
On December 04 2010 11:12 aru wrote: They changed their free agency rules (to all the people referring to the Jaedong incident). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142485 ITT: people read what they want to read. Yeah, I know it's not as bad as before, but it still seems inadequate. These are still mostly kids, and I never really bought the idea that their team acts as their agent. | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On December 04 2010 15:16 FindingPride wrote: Kespa a non profit organization? You mean like the time they licensed SCBW tv rights for redic. ammounts of $ Getting money =/= profits  | ||
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Rikstah
Australia126 Posts
On December 04 2010 04:38 ShaperofDreams wrote: "developed" esports? more like profited from. i like how they put their image forward as some caring nanny that nursed professional starcraft into existence. I like how you conveniently ignore the fact that BW esports wouldn't exist without Kespa building it up. Honestly there are no shareholders and no dividends going out. The CEO salary thing is just a dumb assumption that people have made in response to the fact that there are no profits funneling out of this organization. | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On December 04 2010 14:44 Catalyst wrote: I readily admit not having the best grasp on all the aspects of this back-and-forth struggle, but this part here: ...it reminds me of the drama and frustrations surrounding Jaedong's departure from and return to Oz. Kespa didn't seem to live up to those words then, though that was a complicated affair as well. I don't necessarily agree with all that Blizzard is doing, but Kespa does seem to be far worse... from the thread you linked: On August 28 2009 16:24 DanceCommander wrote: Apparently, another zerg begs to differ.No, but its just sad  You don't just retire after winning an OSL...ON topic: I think we need to compile a thread of COLD, HARD FACTS + Explanations about the various facets of the IP Rights case. There's too likely a chance that misinformation will spread in these threads (e.g. someone posting that KeSPA doesn't allow its players to play SC2 back on Pg. 2). And there are people who don't know the difference between sales, revenue, and profits... we just need a central bank of information to consult with regards to this case. It'll make the discussions so much better, IMO. I'll make it if I find time.  | ||
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Quarz
448 Posts
On December 04 2010 13:45 Furycrab wrote: What Rekrul I'm guessing is laughing at... and It makes me giggle a little too I guess. Is that stating you are non-profit doesn't really mean all that much if you are hiding funds or paying high end executives ridiculous salaries you refuse to disclose. (Major point of contention that KeSPA doesn't want to let go... Audit... wonder why, hehe) Man seroisly. FIFA and in other NPOs(NFL,NBA etc.) thats only mean, this organisation exists for es specific goal. FIFA for football and KESPA for BW. It is really your problem, if you think NPO=Good company. Everybody knows how corrupt those organizations are. FIFA for example earns several hundred Millions and they are still NPO. So, why are your giggling? | ||
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pedduck
Thailand468 Posts
Just wanted to ask the person who really know, are they both money hungry and fight for the money or is there a good side and bad side in this? | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
Sadly, WC3 players have more freedom than SC1 players for some reason :p | ||
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DrakanSilva
Chile932 Posts
E-sport to Blizzard, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION!, is more like a "Wimbledon tournament" instead of a "Champions League" if you guys understand the difference. GOMTV has no freaking plans of leading some sort of League since they seem very focused on 1v1. It seems that they do some Clanwars and stuff but it's not like a LEAGUE. If I heard right at the google tech lab were they talk about SC2, HDHusky talks about this. Tournaments are good, but leagues are very good also. Soccer isn't only about leagues, it's also about some tournaments like the world cup, european cup, whatever cup. What makes soccer so viewable around the globe and with a huge variety of spectators from all over the world ? It's not the national team. It's the leagues inside their own country. A chilean loves a chilean team but also likes an european team. But of course it will cheer for Chile in the worldcup but he will still argue that the goalkeepr of his team is way better and should be in the Chilean team and blablablablalbalba. That doesn't happen in golf as much as it happen in soccer/basquetball/rugby/(NFL No because it's only in the US and I'm talking about worldwide mass of viewers). So treating e-sport as soccer means making leagues grow all over the world and everybody should like it and promote it and make it huge. e-sport ain't made from a rich people hobby. And treating e-sport as golf means making it very exclusive and golf only survives because its full of rich people playing and it was founded by them so it became popular between this important people, same as regatta, but Starcraft 2 isn't that sort of game. In korea Starcraft 2 looks a lot more like soccer were it need MASSES of viewers to survive because that will make sponsor be interested since this is not golf and the sponsors won't sell Louis Vuitton Starcraft 2 watches that cost eur $5.000 to the fans like they do with Regatta fans (http://www.louisvuitton.com/web/flash/index.jsp?direct1=cate&direct2=homme&direct3=cat10043&direct4=cat1520005&direct5=prod620122&langue=en_GB&buy=1). I totally agree with Kespa unless GomTV have a very huge plan to make some major league or try to make starcraft like a golf but for the "gamer" standard that is usually the male from 20-30 years old (average) and with many segmentation variables that I won't put them here because I'm tired. Hope Blizzard understand and what they should do is force Kespa and all this other guys to give the service that GOMTV provides to the foreigners because that's really an awesome thing that GOMTV is doing for the foreign scene that other e-sport organization aren't doing, instead of asking for that huge amount of money. Both should reach an agreement and I agree more with KESPA, but Blizzard should force everybody to make it reachable to the whole world by forcing them to produce content for foreigners also... Their revenue would be bigger indeed since they would have a broader audience. Jesus I wrote too much, must sleep. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
BW HWAITING! | ||
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Maeldun
Australia169 Posts
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