EPTEDIT: Canucks, your translations have been amazing. I hope TL rewards you in some kind of way. You've really spent so much effort helping foreigner Starcraft fans understand issues/interviews/etc.
Blizzard sues OGN - Page 17
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
EDIT: Canucks, your translations have been amazing. I hope TL rewards you in some kind of way. You've really spent so much effort helping foreigner Starcraft fans understand issues/interviews/etc. | ||
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nickycakes
United States103 Posts
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On November 05 2010 12:09 nickycakes wrote: I think what many of you who are supporting kespa in this situation fail to realize is that Blizzard MUST protect their IP rights for BW if they also wish to protect their rights to SC2. If they fail to set a precedent with BW then Kespa can come in and start a SC2 league just as easily. Kespa has repeatedly shown that they firmly believe they can do whatever they want with Blizzard IP without paying for it. If you think they're doing it in the name of promoting e-sports and not to make money like any other business, you're blind. And what exactly is blizzard doing it for? Has blizzard proven they are good at developing stable long-lasting esports leagues? How is WoW e-sports doing now after the initial hype of it all? | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50898 Posts
On November 05 2010 12:09 nickycakes wrote: I think what many of you who are supporting kespa in this situation fail to realize is that Blizzard MUST protect their IP rights for BW if they also wish to protect their rights to SC2. If they fail to set a precedent with BW then Kespa can come in and start a SC2 league just as easily. Kespa has repeatedly shown that they firmly believe they can do whatever they want with Blizzard IP without paying for it. If you think they're doing it in the name of promoting e-sports and not to make money like any other business, you're blind. Yes,I am blind...see my name.KeSPA cannot start a league in SC2 as easy as you say it is because has complete control of SC2 and can just ban the battle.net accounts of KeSPA is they choose to run those tournaments.They don't want Blizzard to have complete control of BW too because,and lets face it,Blizzard doesn't know shit about how to run a successful E-Sport(GOM might know but they are still 'meh' compared to KeSPA and the broadcasting companies). + Show Spoiler + 1337'th post don't even bother counter arguing this lol.(j/k) | ||
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netherDrake
Singapore1831 Posts
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everstarleague
China89 Posts
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
On November 05 2010 11:47 mierin wrote: I don't even care which company profits from what. I just want to be able to stay up absurdly late, join a livechat, and talk with others while watching streams of proleague / osl / msl. Honestly that's the highlight of my life right now, and has been for about a year. EDIT: Canucks, your translations have been amazing. I hope TL rewards you in some kind of way. You've really spent so much effort helping foreigner Starcraft fans understand issues/interviews/etc. Thanks, posts like yours make my work a whole lot easier  | ||
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Elevators
United States56 Posts
On November 05 2010 12:19 robertdinh wrote: And what exactly is blizzard doing it for? Has blizzard proven they are good at developing stable long-lasting esports leagues? How is WoW e-sports doing now after the initial hype of it all? lol... WoW was never meant to be an e-sport, so what's the point of mentioning it? Blizzard made StarCraft = Blizzard owns the rights to StarCraft. I don't see how people can argue against this? Do people really think that OGN can't afford to buy the rights to broadcast?! They know that they are breaking the law... they just think that they can get away with it. | ||
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Exclamator
Korea (North)27 Posts
Blizzard is really overextending with their arm of law. Ever since Actiblizzard, their views on everything is only to see what works for them, instead of seeing that what works for the player will work for them better. | ||
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
On November 05 2010 12:09 nickycakes wrote: I think what many of you who are supporting kespa in this situation fail to realize is that Blizzard MUST protect their IP rights for BW if they also wish to protect their rights to SC2. If they fail to set a precedent with BW then Kespa can come in and start a SC2 league just as easily. Kespa has repeatedly shown that they firmly believe they can do whatever they want with Blizzard IP without paying for it. If you think they're doing it in the name of promoting e-sports and not to make money like any other business, you're blind. No the fact that SC2 needs to be on battle.net for multiplayer is more than enough leverage to stop Kespa SC2 (they would directly be using property Blizzard is currently paying for w/o their consent). | ||
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gyth
657 Posts
If they fail to set a precedent with BW then Kespa can come in and start a SC2 league just as easily. And an SC2 league would be bad why? Things would be easier if Blizzard could be happy with the free advertising from having a successful league of people playing their game at a high level. But shareholders see pie, they want a slice, and they're used to big WoW sized pieces. Hopefully things will sort out and SC2 will grow strong leagues even with the fees. | ||
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Ctoan
Australia75 Posts
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On November 05 2010 12:19 robertdinh wrote: And what exactly is blizzard doing it for? Has blizzard proven they are good at developing stable long-lasting esports leagues? How is WoW e-sports doing now after the initial hype of it all? Considering the relatively poor balance of WoW and the fact that PvP was actually an afterthought originally... and I would say quite well. I mean... seriously... PvP wasnt officially supported or balanced for a REALLY long time, it was just sort of in the game (even now, its not really balanced). Then add in that its an MMO and not an FPS/RTS and its doing even better. Can you name another game of its genre that is doing as well as WoW? Do you see D2/lineage/final fantasy/everquest sponsored fights? | ||
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SayTT
Sweden2158 Posts
The lyrics really fit -,-v | ||
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CraftKings
Malaysia5 Posts
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Rickilicious
United States220 Posts
/rage off. no but seriously, i hope koreans win. They're much better than us. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On November 05 2010 12:46 Elevators wrote: lol... WoW was never meant to be an e-sport, so what's the point of mentioning it? Blizzard made StarCraft = Blizzard owns the rights to StarCraft. I don't see how people can argue against this? Do people really think that OGN can't afford to buy the rights to broadcast?! They know that they are breaking the law... they just think that they can get away with it. Is SC2 meant to be an esport, and by meant, I mean, does blizzard prioritize competitive SC2 over all other aspects of SC2? They obviously do not only balance for top level play (as they themselves have said) The bottom line is it doesn't matter what was "meant" to be an e-sport or not, the fact is blizzard realized it could cash in on WoW as an e-sport (and by cashing in I mean charging a few leagues to run wow tourneys and then getting advertising from it pretty much) and they threw it out there as an e-sport even though PvE balance always held much higher priority since the majority of their players are PvErs. It is because blizzard does not prioritize esports, that they can not be given the monopoly on big e-sport games. If you want e-sports to progress, it needs to be in the hands of people who genuinely care about it's development. To blizzard it is just a minor gimmick to appeal to another demograph, get some advertising out there, and maybe make a little money off any big leagues that might want to pick their games up as esports. On November 05 2010 13:11 TheRabidDeer wrote: Considering the relatively poor balance of WoW and the fact that PvP was actually an afterthought originally... and I would say quite well. I mean... seriously... PvP wasnt officially supported or balanced for a REALLY long time, it was just sort of in the game (even now, its not really balanced). Then add in that its an MMO and not an FPS/RTS and its doing even better. Can you name another game of its genre that is doing as well as WoW? Do you see D2/lineage/final fantasy/everquest sponsored fights? The reason you don't see other mmos travel the e-sports route is because they know they aren't designed for that type of gameplay, so they don't attempt it halfheartedly. Blizzard doesn't care about wow as an esport, yet they found some ways to make money off of the concept of that so they milked it a little. If you've played arena through the seasons and seen some of the atrocious states of balance you would know how little esports mattered to blizzard. Or you could just watch the wizard cleave tournaments and fall asleep as many matches go to the max time limit. | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On November 05 2010 05:47 orgolove wrote: It's so funny. 99% of Korean netizens support Blizzard and disparage KeSPA. 99% of foreigners here support KeSPA and disparage Blizzard. I think it's because koreans understand what KeSPA has been doing, who they are and why Blizzard are suing. I don't think this situation is as easy as "Blizzard made sc2 so they sue everyone broadcasting BW so they could broadcast sc2" On November 05 2010 08:21 ffreakk wrote: SC2: Only a few people earning money (about 100k/year max?). The rest get none. Housing? Food? Teams on current Sc2 market operate differently because there is no KeSPA. Team oGs, tsl and teamliquid earn money from their sponsors, got housing and food. Teams like EG just pay gamers money depending on how good they perform. Oh and I heard they want to expand and make a teamhouse in Korea just for GSL. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
i wonder if this attitude is just a disconnect between people who try to create something for a living and people who primarily consume things for a living, though | ||
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TheYukoner
Canada80 Posts
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