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Beneather
Canada451 Posts
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Nu11
Canada167 Posts
If blizzard is asking too much however, then there is an issue. | ||
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Hyp-The-Feared
United States108 Posts
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
On November 05 2010 10:10 vOdToasT wrote: OGN legally bought the rights to broadcast StarCraft from Hanbisoft, who worked under Blizzard. I don't think Blizzard gave Hanbitsoft IP rights for SC/BW, only distributing rights. Your response to my post, I don't think you understood what I meant. Some SC2 players have never played the original SC games, and even if they did, they probably didn't care about the features it has back then compared to what some features SC2 has. So while you think SC/BW is better than SC2, good for you, but those people love SC2 as much as you love SC/BW. EDIT- Spelled Hanbitsoft wrong. | ||
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
On November 05 2010 08:21 ffreakk wrote: Your source? Flash earned 400 Mil won last year, his salary is about half that (the other half is price money).. It make sense that a lesser pro player would earn 1/10 of that. Unless you you can present evidence that suggest otherwise. SC2: Only a few people earning money (about 100k/year max?). The rest get none. Housing? Food? SC1: Only a few people earning big money (about 370k/year max? aka Flash's earning last year).. The rest get paid a significantly smaller amount (30k/year on average according to unverified sources).. Housing and food paid for.. How do some people can even say that there is more money to be had in GSL (sc2) is a mystery to me. All these talks on working conditions and girlfriend is garbage, imo.. Its so far out of point that clearly people who mentioned this is only saying so in hope of making the other side look more negative.. And in case those need being addressed (some already are), Stork has gf (as mentioned by someone else) and Light pimp after games like nobody's business. Regarding training time/working hour.. The standard training hour for A-teamers = 10 hours/day.. Any extra training is carried out under the player's own volition and fueled only by his desire to get better.. 10 hours/day is a VERY normal amount for working adults where i came from.. My friend who graduated from University recently now works as a trainee manager for Charles and Kleith, as well as a few others, works 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a week.. It is much worse in places like Japan (average get-home time 9pm? o.O).. Just because in the US people get off work asap doesnt mean that culture applies everywhere in the world.. More to the point: the progamers' working condition isnt even close to being bad.. Plus getting to work towards ur dreams is a luxury enjoyed by few.. Most wither away behind a generic office table. Since more discussions and analogies and such wont be appreciated by most.. I would just express my hope that Blizzard fail to exert their dominance and that the e-Sport scene will continue to flourish. PS: For the guys that claims that SC2 is a great game.. Sorry to offend, but in my honest opinion you are likely newbies to the gaming scene to be able to pass SC2 off as "great".. If you can, you can look up (or try playing) their older products and list down on paper their pros, cons and features of innovation, you will be able to see for yourself the general trend of quality in their releases. For a quick reference, SC:BW and Diablo2 was legendary, WC3 + TFT was good, SC2 is ... Also many seem to consider The Burning Crusade to be much better than Wrath of the Lich King. Us guys including the clan Teamliquid (Ret, Nazgul), Boxer, Nada, JulyZerg, and 95% of the people that visit this site now are following a crap game. Of course, it is objective. And I feel sorry that you can't see both sides of the field. How elitist can you get. | ||
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MrHeckOne
Costa Rica23 Posts
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GoodRamen
United States713 Posts
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I just saw Capoch beating TT1 with one strategy (lol), go go Capoch | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
For 7 years, Blizzard did NOTHING about SC/BW e-sports. They silently watched while various organizations in Korea took their product and turned it into a multi-million dollar industry, which in turn also bolstered Blizzard's status. While Blizzard has had positive labels in the past, it wasn't until Starcraft came along and became an e-sports that Blizzard was deemed as a heavyweight in the gaming industry. Further success with WC3 and WoW cemented Blizzard's status as a top dog. They have all the money in the world now, but here they are, 10 years later, demanding money from MBC and OGN. Why didn't they do it 10 years ago? Because the exposure HELPED Blizzard. It's a complete bitch move on Blizzard's part. | ||
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mmdmmd
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On November 05 2010 10:18 toadstool wrote: Us guys including the clan Teamliquid (Ret, Nazgul), Boxer, Nada, JulyZerg, and 95% of the people that visit this site now are following a crap game. Of course, it is objective. And I feel sorry that you can't see both sides of the field. How elitist can you get. I watch the GSL and play SC2 but just throwing it out there but there are actual reasons why they're playing SC2 beyond "it is a good game". I think Boxer, Nada, and July made it clear from comments and shit that because they couldn't compete in the current Brood War environment, they had to make the switch to actually get any play time. Same goes for the foreigners and its likely the reason why a lot of people are supporting the game (especially the whole Go Blizzard/Kill Kespa movement - they're right for the wrong reasons generally) for nationalistic reasons. TLO support is understandable but the only reason Idra has as much support as he has is because he's well probably the most successful white guy, not really because his play is inspiring or if he's actually funny and BM (he isn't, he was kind of BM and funny in BW but in SC2 he's as mild as plain milk). BM shit is like FBH throwing rice at you, playing music and dancing to it infront of you after crushing you, and nuke rushing you in a live progame. | ||
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reg0ner
United States56 Posts
On November 05 2010 08:21 ffreakk wrote: Your source? Flash earned 400 Mil won last year, his salary is about half that (the other half is price money).. It make sense that a lesser pro player would earn 1/10 of that. Unless you you can present evidence that suggest otherwise. SC2: Only a few people earning money (about 100k/year max?). The rest get none. Housing? Food? SC1: Only a few people earning big money (about 370k/year max? aka Flash's earning last year).. The rest get paid a significantly smaller amount (30k/year on average according to unverified sources).. Housing and food paid for.. How do some people can even say that there is more money to be had in GSL (sc2) is a mystery to me. All these talks on working conditions and girlfriend is garbage, imo.. Its so far out of point that clearly people who mentioned this is only saying so in hope of making the other side look more negative.. And in case those need being addressed (some already are), Stork has gf (as mentioned by someone else) and Light pimp after games like nobody's business. Regarding training time/working hour.. The standard training hour for A-teamers = 10 hours/day.. Any extra training is carried out under the player's own volition and fueled only by his desire to get better.. 10 hours/day is a VERY normal amount for working adults where i came from.. My friend who graduated from University recently now works as a trainee manager for Charles and Kleith, as well as a few others, works 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a week.. It is much worse in places like Japan (average get-home time 9pm? o.O).. Just because in the US people get off work asap doesnt mean that culture applies everywhere in the world.. More to the point: the progamers' working condition isnt even close to being bad.. Plus getting to work towards ur dreams is a luxury enjoyed by few.. Most wither away behind a generic office table. Since more discussions and analogies and such wont be appreciated by most.. I would just express my hope that Blizzard fail to exert their dominance and that the e-Sport scene will continue to flourish. PS: For the guys that claims that SC2 is a great game.. Sorry to offend, but in my honest opinion you are likely newbies to the gaming scene to be able to pass SC2 off as "great".. If you can, you can look up (or try playing) their older products and list down on paper their pros, cons and features of innovation, you will be able to see for yourself the general trend of quality in their releases. For a quick reference, SC:BW and Diablo2 was legendary, WC3 + TFT was good, SC2 is ... Also many seem to consider The Burning Crusade to be much better than Wrath of the Lich King. He's right you know. There are very few progamers in the entire world that make over 100k a year through gaming. Just because Flash makes that much doesn't make his assumption completely wrong. Its just a fact that MOST 96%+ of gamers don't make over 100k a year playing videogames. Then theres the whole grinding you call "fun" for working as a pro-gamer. You honestly believe these guys are having fun having to play 10-12 hours a day? It becomes a chore. Just because they get food and a place to sleep doesn't mean they love it. They are all looking for the big payout but it looks like Korea has made BW 'pro-gamers' into a sweatshop business. It's almost why you hardly see any emotion during the BW scene pre sc2. Kudos I say to Blizzard for shutting it down. Videogames shouldn't be for everyone and they shouldn't be an option for society to turn to as a "job." It's so enjoyable watching the GSL right now and watching its development. So much character, people are actually having fun, especially with the gamble. Starcraft2 saved the pro-gamer. | ||
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
On November 05 2010 08:21 ffreakk wrote: Your source? Flash earned 400 Mil won last year, his salary is about half that (the other half is price money).. It make sense that a lesser pro player would earn 1/10 of that. Unless you you can present evidence that suggest otherwise. SC2: Only a few people earning money (about 100k/year max?). The rest get none. Housing? Food? SC1: Only a few people earning big money (about 370k/year max? aka Flash's earning last year).. The rest get paid a significantly smaller amount (30k/year on average according to unverified sources).. Housing and food paid for.. How do some people can even say that there is more money to be had in GSL (sc2) is a mystery to me. All these talks on working conditions and girlfriend is garbage, imo.. Its so far out of point that clearly people who mentioned this is only saying so in hope of making the other side look more negative.. And in case those need being addressed (some already are), Stork has gf (as mentioned by someone else) and Light pimp after games like nobody's business. Regarding training time/working hour.. The standard training hour for A-teamers = 10 hours/day.. Any extra training is carried out under the player's own volition and fueled only by his desire to get better.. 10 hours/day is a VERY normal amount for working adults where i came from.. My friend who graduated from University recently now works as a trainee manager for Charles and Kleith, as well as a few others, works 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a week.. It is much worse in places like Japan (average get-home time 9pm? o.O).. Just because in the US people get off work asap doesnt mean that culture applies everywhere in the world.. More to the point: the progamers' working condition isnt even close to being bad.. Plus getting to work towards ur dreams is a luxury enjoyed by few.. Most wither away behind a generic office table. Since more discussions and analogies and such wont be appreciated by most.. I would just express my hope that Blizzard fail to exert their dominance and that the e-Sport scene will continue to flourish. PS: For the guys that claims that SC2 is a great game.. Sorry to offend, but in my honest opinion you are likely newbies to the gaming scene to be able to pass SC2 off as "great".. If you can, you can look up (or try playing) their older products and list down on paper their pros, cons and features of innovation, you will be able to see for yourself the general trend of quality in their releases. For a quick reference, SC:BW and Diablo2 was legendary, WC3 + TFT was good, SC2 is ... Also many seem to consider The Burning Crusade to be much better than Wrath of the Lich King. I love posts like these. Games been out 4 months and tournaments are paying out 100k. There's no league yet for SC2 so there cannoy be salaried players. But, look at how many "small" SC2 tournaments are out there. Comparing a salaried league vs prize winning tournaments is a joke argument. And as for your "PS" claim... you're blinding yourself by your own prejudice. Yes, D2 is legendary. Broodwar, if it wasn't for Korea, would not be "Legendary" and in 10 years, SC2 will be called "Legendary" while SC3 threatens it. Anyway, as to the purpose of this thread. Blizzard is doing what Blizzard thinks is best to protect IP rights. For those out there that honestly believe this is to kill the BW scene so SC2 erupts... HAHAHAHAHA. Blizzard has made a killing on SC2 release and inevitably the SC2 competitive scene will take off. Korean proleague will form under sc2. What Blizzard is doing is protecting themselves from losing THEIR GAME. It's not like this is football or basketball... Blizzard created the product and should have it protected. Plain and simple. Now for those that claim "If it wasn't for BW success in Korea..." Are u kidding me? Blizzard success is not dependant on Korea Proleague. If you believe this, I feel bad for you. Did the BW proleague create SC2? I don't believe so. Blizzard was creating SC2 way before the Proleague scene really took off. They just failed at it early and then focused on Diablo and WoW before trying the SC2 project again. (Wasn't it called Ghost?) | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
shark and hyungjoon approx 8 months back... | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
On November 05 2010 10:39 mmdmmd wrote: Let's tell them! We all know Blizz PR read this forum. Support or Oppose? DON'T POST POLLS AND FUCKING SPLIT THE COMMUNITY!!!!! honestly,please don't.None of us know whats going to happen and there is no point in speculating...If blizzard PR was reading this they would care...unfortunately the only guys from blizzard who read these forums stick to the SC2 forums for balance because they are the balance team(aka the uncorrupt) | ||
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
You don't see anyone blaming toilet cleaners for doing their jobs. Besides, you have to play 10-12 hours a day because you don't want to lose to someone else who practices 10-12 hours a day. Although it remains to be seen if Starcraft 2 will get the same amount of sponsorship as BW, I think it's premature to make any assumption for how much Starcraft 2 progamers will be getting. It hasn't finished its 2nd month, 2nd GSLtournament. What's interesting is the chances of progamers living in America. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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