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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 17 2010 02:37 Risen wrote: 100 million won is is around 90000 dollars atm... isn't that a little steep for broadcasting rights? Or am I off on this 90000 for the right to broadcast tournaments for a whole year? thats not much considering your ad revenue is much much greater. Kespa charged more. | ||
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FishForThought
Canada88 Posts
They are basically saying "Oh look at our reasonable conditions, if Kespa don't accept its their fault not ours" Obviously there are some hidden terms involved, otherwise Kespa would of accepted already. I would say the hidden stuff are in the terms and conditions involved with using the license. Things like Blizzard or Gretech can terminate the license anytime or they are susceptible auditing would be part of the license usage agreement. BW is not out of the woods yet. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On October 17 2010 02:37 Risen wrote: 100 million won is is around 90000 dollars atm... isn't that a little steep for broadcasting rights? Or am I off on this Considering KeSPA charged MBC and OGN 1500 million KRW, or about 1.3515 million USD, for broadcasting rights....? | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
On October 17 2010 02:44 xBillehx wrote: Considering KeSPA charged MBC and OGN 1500 million KRW, or about 1.3515 million USD, for broadcasting rights....? The difference is a lot, but does this mean that KeSPA won't have any money? Since it took that much to sustain themselves...? | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On October 16 2010 23:45 Chimpalimp wrote: If PL, OSL, and MSL are good to go, I'm happy then. After all the bad rep that Gretech has been getting, I'm surprised they still want to struggle with Kespa. Supposedly, the situation is completely reversed in South Korea. While TL blames Gretech, South Koreans blame Kespa. I'm pretty sure they care more about what locals think than what TL thinks. | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On October 17 2010 02:57 andrewlt wrote: Supposedly, the situation is completely reversed in South Korea. While TL blames Gretech, South Koreans blame Kespa. I'm pretty sure they care more about what locals think than what TL thinks. How do you get the idea that Koreans blame KeSPA, instead of Blizzard/GreTech? | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On October 17 2010 03:14 hydraden wrote: How do you get the idea that Koreans blame KeSPA, instead of Blizzard/GreTech? The comments on Korean news articles are not flattering for KeSPA, to be sure. It's not hard to find remarks calling KeSPA "gesupa" (like calling someone a dog) and berating them for their actions on source articles. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 17 2010 03:14 hydraden wrote: How do you get the idea that Koreans blame KeSPA, instead of Blizzard/GreTech? Yeah it's all over korean netizen comments, Junkka's shock at TL siding with Kespa, the kespa commentators blogs being so apologetic and telling people to have faith in them. everything points to korea -> with gretech, Foreigners -> with kespa. | ||
Selith
United States238 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On October 17 2010 02:50 Lokian wrote: The difference is a lot, but does this mean that KeSPA won't have any money? Since it took that much to sustain themselves...? Hardly, $90k is just a tiny fee to weed out people unable to pay that much. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5618 Posts
On October 17 2010 03:42 Selith wrote: It's because Koreans are very well aware of everything KeSPA has done since SK took it over. This is not the first time BW e-sports scene almost got shut down in Korea. More like Koreans have been spoiled for years. Foreigners wish they had such an "evil" organisation take care of esports in their countries. | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On October 17 2010 03:57 maybenexttime wrote: More like Koreans have been spoiled for years. Foreigners wish they had such an "evil" organisation take care of esports in their countries. That's very true for me. | ||
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s3raph
58 Posts
On October 17 2010 03:57 maybenexttime wrote: More like Koreans have been spoiled for years. Foreigners wish they had such an "evil" organisation take care of esports in their countries. How can you judge that Koreans don't 'know what they are talking about?' I'm really not sure where this comment is coming from, other than a display of personal bias against people who dislike KeSPA for whatever reason. If South Koreans, a population that has the most direct contact with the organizations involved, that does not have to deal with a language barrier for press releases, and is directly impacted by the eSports industry trends are just 'spoiled' (with the implied 'don't know what they are talking about) and don't have a right to judge, who does? People confuse me. --;; | ||
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Enigmatics
Korea (South)7 Posts
There are some guys criticizing Gretech too, worried about they're gonna shutdown entire BW gaming ground, and believes that they will ruin the entire e-sports to nothing more than an marketing field, but usually these kinds of comments are overwhelmed by others bashing kespa for its irrational-illegal manners. | ||
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Enigmatics
Korea (South)7 Posts
Kespa still wants to be the boss in this game - they want it unchanged, they want to take money from broadcasters by selling 'broadcasting rights'. Although the played contents of tournament games are those of who created it - host and players - but only secondary rights, because it was created by STARCRAFT, WHICH IS PROPERTY OF BLIZZARD - if they don't respect primary IP rights, their rights are to be denied. Kespa offered that 300,000,000 won - but in condition of keeping broadcasters still pay to them for broadcasting rights. and unlike Ongamenet, Mgame failed to make contract with Gretech - so Gretech wanted to exclude Mgame from broadcasters. Kespa disagreed and insisted on two-station-system. While they are still negotiating, Kespa forcefully pushed on with Starleague in their favor... Gretech got upset, and published a writing about current stance - (which can be read on OP) | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5618 Posts
On October 17 2010 04:10 s3raph wrote: How can you judge that Koreans don't 'know what they are talking about?' I'm really not sure where this comment is coming from, other than a display of personal bias against people who dislike KeSPA for whatever reason. If South Koreans, a population that has the most direct contact with the organizations involved, that does not have to deal with a language barrier for press releases, and is directly impacted by the eSports industry trends are just 'spoiled' (with the implied 'don't know what they are talking about) and don't have a right to judge, who does? People confuse me. --;; I'm not judging anyone. I'm stating a fact - Koreans have been used to (i.e. spoiled) having a progaming scene for a decade, esport being around is a natural state of things to them, that it's a part of their culture. It's easy for them to complain about KeSPA and their wrong doing (those are valid reasons). They don't give KeSPA enough credit for what it has done. They never stop and think how much more developed Korean esports scene is thanks to KeSPA compared to other countries. | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
On October 17 2010 05:31 maybenexttime wrote: I'm not judging anyone. I'm stating a fact - Koreans have been used to (i.e. spoiled) having a progaming scene for a decade, esport being around is a natural state of things to them, that it's a part of their culture. It's easy for them to complain about KeSPA and their wrong doing (those are valid reasons). They don't give KeSPA enough credit for what it has done. They never stop and think how much more developed Korean esports scene is thanks to KeSPA compared to other countries. And we can go over what KeSPA has done again and again. Koreans knows what KeSPA has done best, don't they? | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5618 Posts
On October 17 2010 06:08 Lokian wrote: And we can go over what KeSPA has done again and again. Koreans knows what KeSPA has done best, don't they? They do, and then they take it for granted, and then they start complaining. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On October 17 2010 06:12 maybenexttime wrote: They do, and then they take it for granted, and then they start complaining. I agree with you because I know what it's like to have no official organisation/infrastructure for e-sports whatsoever. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On October 17 2010 05:31 maybenexttime wrote: I'm not judging anyone. I'm stating a fact - Koreans have been used to (i.e. spoiled) having a progaming scene for a decade, esport being around is a natural state of things to them, that it's a part of their culture. It's easy for them to complain about KeSPA and their wrong doing (those are valid reasons). They don't give KeSPA enough credit for what it has done. They never stop and think how much more developed Korean esports scene is thanks to KeSPA compared to other countries. It's more developed compared to other countries, because in Korea somehow event halls get filled by fans and gamers have fangirls. KeSPA came after that. | ||
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