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revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 14:56:19
October 16 2010 14:55 GMT
#101
All this sounds reasonable, is this a new development? Have they changed to a reasonable request?

This all sounds way better than what we've been hearing so far. Well done Gretech.
robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
October 16 2010 15:01 GMT
#102
Obviously gretech isn't going to post things that make them look like the bad guy, but actions speak louder than words.
True skill comes without effort.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 15:04:47
October 16 2010 15:03 GMT
#103
On October 16 2010 21:44 infinity2k9 wrote:
Best thing for eSports is to completely leave kespa alone and not start this shit in the first place if they really had that in mind. Nothing they've done is of benefit to esports.

Yeah, everybody was a little worried about whether SC2 would take a share of BW's popularity, but I don't think any of us foresaw Blizzard/Gretech actively working to do everything they can to destroy BW.

Even if Gretech was to drop all this shit right now, I imagine a lot of damage has been done. The speculation has really cast doubt whether BW will survive in the immediate future, and probably has been a contributing factor in the demise of eSTRO, CJ, and maybe MBC teams. If the sponsors think BW's death is imminent, they won't invest, and so the whole system is coming apart even if Gretech never follows through with litigation.

I don't like Kespa, but Blizzard/Gretech have pissed me off a lot more.
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
October 16 2010 15:17 GMT
#104
I've never been this happy about an anti-climax.
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
October 16 2010 15:36 GMT
#105
On October 17 2010 00:17 XsebT wrote:
I've never been this happy about an anti-climax.


There are some parts not translated in the original post:

On October 16 2010 22:17 Enigmatics wrote:
I'm afraid but I have to say : there are few misunderstandings about this issue - Gretech is preparing legal actions and is appealing to the fans that it is inevitable, neccesary action.


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스타크래프트는 공공재가 아닙니다. 이것은 블리자드가 시간과 자원 및 인력을 투자한 결과물이며, 곰TV는 한국에서의 블리자드 공인 파트너로서 국내 스타크래프트 리그가 합법적인 방식으로 지속되도록 국내 파트너와 계약을 진행하고자 많은 노력을 기울여 왔습니다.

Crude translation :
Starcraft is NOT AN PUBLIC GOOD. It resulted from resources and manpowers that blizzard had invested, and GomTV, as the official partner of blizzard entertainment, has taken enourmous efforts to make contracts with the domestic partners, for that make it sure SC:BW leagues is legal.

곰TV는 최악의 상황을 피하기 위해 아직도 주어진 시간 내에 합의에 이를 수 있도록 최선의 노력을 기울이고 있습니다. 그러나 저희의 이러한 노력에도 불구하고 최악의 상황이 발생한다면, 앞으로 저희가 취할 수 밖에 없는 후속 조치에 대해 이해해주시기를 부탁 드립니다.

Crude translation :
GomTV is doing its best efforts to achieve mutual agreements in the given time limit in order to avoid the worst scenario. But if, regardless of our efforts, the worst happens, please understand that we will be forced to take 'extra action'.


영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Alaron
Profile Joined August 2010
United States225 Posts
October 16 2010 16:03 GMT
#106
Look what KeSPA did to NaDa then really think about their intentions.

So much biased opinions in this thread and unjustified arguments with no backed up facts.
The6357
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States1268 Posts
October 16 2010 16:04 GMT
#107
ogn should be combined to one...then mbc can broadcast under name of ogn2 lol
also that 100million won...is that for each tourney or for a period of time...?
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kataa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom384 Posts
October 16 2010 16:08 GMT
#108
On October 16 2010 22:02 supernovamaniac wrote:
If they shut down proleague, then they will look bad no matter what their stance is.

Sure, they might have the IP rights to shut down proleague. Will it be justified? That I don't know. Will people like it? No.


Looking really bad has never stopped a corperation from doing damage control before. In the end the courts will decide if it's 'justified'. The fact that damage control wont work, somehow doesn't quash my suspision that it's what they're attempting
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 16:15:20
October 16 2010 16:10 GMT
#109
It seems like KeSPA's notion that Gretech's original demands (as rumored and reported, at least) wouldn't sit well with the fans. There's more going on here, of course, but Gretech has wisely toned down their rhetoric here, at least. Well done to them, for once.

EDIT: Or maybe their sabre-rattling just wasn't translated?
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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5652 Posts
October 16 2010 16:18 GMT
#110
On October 17 2010 01:04 The6357 wrote:
ogn should be combined to one...then mbc can broadcast under name of ogn2 lol
also that 100million won...is that for each tourney or for a period of time...?


MBC as a whole is much larger than OGN, so it's not gonna happen.
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
October 16 2010 16:20 GMT
#111
On October 16 2010 20:30 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 20:16 imperator-xy wrote:
On October 16 2010 19:08 Elroi wrote:
Besides, how does letting only "serious broadcasters" (ie the ones that can pay money to Gretech) broadcast SC leagues strengthen the e-sports scene? I mean minorleague, zotac etc etc didn't exactly damage the BW scene... If they can't have their league because the competition is to strong, it's best for e-sports if they die. Hypocrites.


you didnt understand that part
EVERYONE can make a tournament basically for free (1 won which is under 0,01€) while you have to pay 100 million won (about 90 000$) to broadcast a tournament on tv.
this is to allow amateur tournaments for everyone (pc band owners or something like that), but at the same time having a hurdle that has to be taken to show that your professional enough to create a decent broadcasted tournament.


That's what I meant, with these rules tournaments like Zotac (atleast how it was organized in BW) and minorleague won't happen. Why don't let anyone broadcast? - bad tournaments will die by them selves when they can't attract audience and sponsors. I bet they are just afraid that exactly that is going to happen to them. Very generous of them to let people have their own tournaments in pc bangs etc. Really, very generous.


I am pretty sure that they mean Television Broadcasts. If you take a look at the Blizzard Tournament submission form they want to know if the tournament is going to be broadcast and explicitly states that this mean Television Broadcast and not Internet Stream.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 16:41:45
October 16 2010 16:33 GMT
#112
On October 17 2010 01:10 tree.hugger wrote:
It seems like KeSPA's notion that Gretech's original demands (as rumored and reported, at least) wouldn't sit well with the fans. There's more going on here, of course, but Gretech has wisely toned down their rhetoric here, at least. Well done to them, for once.

EDIT: Or maybe their sabre-rattling just wasn't translated?


I'm pretty sure that:

"We are trying to say that license is needed to broadcast games, and acknowledge that Blizzard owns IP rights to all Blizzard games." = "Prior approvals about all league operations such as contracting sponsorship, marketing materials, broadcasting plan."

and

"GomTV is not looking to take just the money from Korea e-sports scene through the license. It's to protect the IP rights, which is a very important right for the content businesses, as well as their right to keep it." = "4. Ownership of all broadcasted programs, program videos."

Also "The goal is to further increase the size of e-sports, as well as to make it more active through our involvement. To do this, it is important to create a strong relations with the players, teams, other broadcasting stations, and other partners, not just GomTV's own tournaments." might suggest they're still going to try to enforce contracts with progamers that'll override the contracts with their actual sponsors.
urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 16:46:52
October 16 2010 16:43 GMT
#113
I wish more people would read all the posts involved in these threads before diving in to post their own wild, unbridled accusations or opinions. As pointed out in the previous thread about KeSPA and Gretech ceasing negotiations, that whole ordeal was untrue. It was a false report. Gretech and KeSPA have been in unbroken negotiations for quite some time. Proleague has started without Gretech complaining and KeSPA appears to be understanding in terms of IP rights. The "fight" reported between the Korean government and Blizzard is still just a rumor gathered from a deleted blog. KeSPA is having just as much, if not more, trouble from coming under fire from angry fans in Korea, if their internet commenters are anything to go by.

If you'd just go back and read through everything from the get go, most of you would probably post less angrily and more relieved. Drop your hatred for whichever party you don't like, because it's probably not as founded as you think.
Who dat ninja?
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
October 16 2010 17:04 GMT
#114
whew.... proleague is safe.
now just insure the survival of OSL/MSL
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50577 Posts
October 16 2010 17:12 GMT
#115
On October 17 2010 02:04 Garaman wrote:
whew.... proleague is safe.
now just insure the survival of OSL/MSL


OSL will continue...MSL is the real issue right now.
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Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
October 16 2010 17:29 GMT
#116
Good going, PL is safe, and it seems OSL/MSL may happen if BW gets enough popularity.

I demand a public apology for nada! WTF was up with that?
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 16 2010 17:30 GMT
#117
On October 16 2010 19:10 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 15:50 xBillehx wrote:
Does this finally quell the rumor of Gretech wanting to kill BW? Lol


Oh no now its Gretech "caving in" to most people. Gretech is still evil to most BW people atm.

I do hope they let at least the OSL as I do want at least 1 individual starleague and proleague ^^

You mean gretech is evilt o most BW foreigners. the korean fans dislike kespa.
JustQuitWarcraftIII
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 17:36:31
October 16 2010 17:36 GMT
#118
On October 16 2010 15:48 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 15:15 Selith wrote:
First is the fees. GomTV stated, 'Each tournaments will cost 1 won (ed. That's not a mistranslation, it really said 1 won), and broadcasting fee is 100 million won'. The reason for the broadcasting fee is to have only the corporations who are capable planning a high-quality e-sports tournaments, broadcasting, and provide high-quality broadcast for the players and the viewers.

A jab at MBC's incompetence?


Ironic that GomTV would mention high-quality broadcasting considering their problematic streams during GSL1.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 16 2010 17:37 GMT
#119
100 million won is is around 90000 dollars atm... isn't that a little steep for broadcasting rights? Or am I off on this
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 16 2010 17:39 GMT
#120
On October 17 2010 02:36 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 15:48 okum wrote:
On October 16 2010 15:15 Selith wrote:
First is the fees. GomTV stated, 'Each tournaments will cost 1 won (ed. That's not a mistranslation, it really said 1 won), and broadcasting fee is 100 million won'. The reason for the broadcasting fee is to have only the corporations who are capable planning a high-quality e-sports tournaments, broadcasting, and provide high-quality broadcast for the players and the viewers.

A jab at MBC's incompetence?


Ironic that GomTV would mention high-quality broadcasting considering their problematic streams during GSL1.


Lol, overseas streams are not what they're talking about. Who cares about streams in Korea? It's about television broadcasting which GOM has never had a problem with
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
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