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.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
October 16 2010 09:20 GMT
#61
So negotiations are back up? What happened to their "WE WON'T EVEN TALK"?
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
SoLoCo
Profile Joined May 2009
United States13 Posts
October 16 2010 09:43 GMT
#62
I don't post often, but this news...
I can't explain how excited and happy I am at this news.

On with Proleague!
dont get stuck on stupid
IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 09:48:21
October 16 2010 09:47 GMT
#63
"The goal is to further increase the size of e-sports, as well as to make it more active through our involvement. To do this, it is important to create a strong relations with the players, teams, other broadcasting stations, and other partners, not just GomTV's own tournaments."

Hell yeah! Good news indeed!
Forever Vulture.. :(
Borknagarush
Profile Joined February 2009
176 Posts
October 16 2010 10:01 GMT
#64
As for the sub-licensing, "With this right, the rights holder will be able to select and negotiate a broadcasting station for a tournament or leagues. GomTV has the right to assign the sub-licensees, but we will not abuse it." At this point, GomTV stated, "For Proleague only, we are willing to allow OGN and MBCGame to broadcast without any additional negotiations."


This sounds so idiotic. Obviously, after proleague started they cant bark anymore and are too afraid to bring the case to court. I hope Kespa will revive MSL under their name.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 10:06:34
October 16 2010 10:06 GMT
#65
On October 16 2010 19:01 Borknagarush wrote:
Show nested quote +
As for the sub-licensing, "With this right, the rights holder will be able to select and negotiate a broadcasting station for a tournament or leagues. GomTV has the right to assign the sub-licensees, but we will not abuse it." At this point, GomTV stated, "For Proleague only, we are willing to allow OGN and MBCGame to broadcast without any additional negotiations."


This sounds so idiotic. Obviously, after proleague started they cant bark anymore and are too afraid to bring the case to court. I hope Kespa will revive MSL under their name.


Given that they were unable to stop proleague, I think the main obstacle that's standing in the way of MSL now is a sponsor. If MSL can get a sponsor, maybe MBC can get the tournament running.
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
October 16 2010 10:08 GMT
#66
To me it sounds like Gretech got owned by KeSPA and now try to make it look like they care about the BW scene to save face. What happened with their demands to change the PL schedual in order to not have any competition for their league? And didn't KeSPA already offer them 300 milion won for proleague?

Besides, how does letting only "serious broadcasters" (ie the ones that can pay money to Gretech) broadcast SC leagues strengthen the e-sports scene? I mean minorleague, zotac etc etc didn't exactly damage the BW scene... If they can't have their league because the competition is to strong, it's best for e-sports if they die. Hypocrites.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 16 2010 10:10 GMT
#67
On October 16 2010 15:50 xBillehx wrote:
Does this finally quell the rumor of Gretech wanting to kill BW? Lol


Oh no now its Gretech "caving in" to most people. Gretech is still evil to most BW people atm.

I do hope they let at least the OSL as I do want at least 1 individual starleague and proleague ^^
When I think of something else, something will go here
nimoraca
Profile Joined February 2007
Serbia84 Posts
October 16 2010 10:26 GMT
#68
Nice to see Gretech retrieving. There's no way a game can be a true eSport without it being free. The game needs to belong to the community, not the corporation. Sure there's a fee for getting the game, but that should be it. If Blizz had it its own way with SCBW, it would have never been what it is today, a true eSport.
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1366 Posts
October 16 2010 11:16 GMT
#69
On October 16 2010 19:08 Elroi wrote:
Besides, how does letting only "serious broadcasters" (ie the ones that can pay money to Gretech) broadcast SC leagues strengthen the e-sports scene? I mean minorleague, zotac etc etc didn't exactly damage the BW scene... If they can't have their league because the competition is to strong, it's best for e-sports if they die. Hypocrites.


you didnt understand that part
EVERYONE can make a tournament basically for free (1 won which is under 0,01€) while you have to pay 100 million won (about 90 000$) to broadcast a tournament on tv.
this is to allow amateur tournaments for everyone (pc band owners or something like that), but at the same time having a hurdle that has to be taken to show that your professional enough to create a decent broadcasted tournament.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
October 16 2010 11:18 GMT
#70
Gom is saying " We will leave Proleague to run but OSL and MSL is out of the question "

Or its just the MSL who will be axed ??
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
October 16 2010 11:30 GMT
#71
On October 16 2010 20:16 imperator-xy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 19:08 Elroi wrote:
Besides, how does letting only "serious broadcasters" (ie the ones that can pay money to Gretech) broadcast SC leagues strengthen the e-sports scene? I mean minorleague, zotac etc etc didn't exactly damage the BW scene... If they can't have their league because the competition is to strong, it's best for e-sports if they die. Hypocrites.


you didnt understand that part
EVERYONE can make a tournament basically for free (1 won which is under 0,01€) while you have to pay 100 million won (about 90 000$) to broadcast a tournament on tv.
this is to allow amateur tournaments for everyone (pc band owners or something like that), but at the same time having a hurdle that has to be taken to show that your professional enough to create a decent broadcasted tournament.


That's what I meant, with these rules tournaments like Zotac (atleast how it was organized in BW) and minorleague won't happen. Why don't let anyone broadcast? - bad tournaments will die by them selves when they can't attract audience and sponsors. I bet they are just afraid that exactly that is going to happen to them. Very generous of them to let people have their own tournaments in pc bangs etc. Really, very generous.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
MisterD
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1338 Posts
October 16 2010 11:45 GMT
#72
why does everyone feel so happy about these statements? I mean, yeah sure, they seem to be allowing proleague. But - did everybody just read over all the other bullshit they are pulling here? paying money (i don't care if its just 1won) to make like anything at all, what is this? This serves absolutely no purpose other than having a good way of forcing weird contracts onto just about anything and making everything way more complicated than it needs to be. To me this sounds like a 10 year old child making up some weird arbitrary set of rules for something just because it thinks they are cool, except that gretech doesnt do anything to be cool but to keep some amount of control over it. Thats just totally ridiculous and nothing to be happy about i think.

So - yea, hurray proleague. But a giant "wtf is this shit?" on all the rest.
Gold isn't everything in life... you need wood, too!
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4838 Posts
October 16 2010 11:52 GMT
#73
Gretech's (and, by extension, Blizzard Entertainment's) intention to steal or smother the professional BW scene has been clear for months. Empty praise for E-SPORTS is empty.
My strategy is to fork people.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
October 16 2010 12:00 GMT
#74
On October 16 2010 20:18 SkelA wrote:
Gom is saying " We will leave Proleague to run but OSL and MSL is out of the question "

Or its just the MSL who will be axed ??


They couldn't stop proleague from going ahead so I doubt they can stop OSL or MSL if OGN/MBC choose to ignore them. OSL is likely to happen but MSL is doubtful. My guess is that MSL has a problem with getting a sponsor.

영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1366 Posts
October 16 2010 12:06 GMT
#75
On October 16 2010 20:30 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 20:16 imperator-xy wrote:
On October 16 2010 19:08 Elroi wrote:
Besides, how does letting only "serious broadcasters" (ie the ones that can pay money to Gretech) broadcast SC leagues strengthen the e-sports scene? I mean minorleague, zotac etc etc didn't exactly damage the BW scene... If they can't have their league because the competition is to strong, it's best for e-sports if they die. Hypocrites.


you didnt understand that part
EVERYONE can make a tournament basically for free (1 won which is under 0,01€) while you have to pay 100 million won (about 90 000$) to broadcast a tournament on tv.
this is to allow amateur tournaments for everyone (pc band owners or something like that), but at the same time having a hurdle that has to be taken to show that your professional enough to create a decent broadcasted tournament.


That's what I meant, with these rules tournaments like Zotac (atleast how it was organized in BW) and minorleague won't happen. Why don't let anyone broadcast? - bad tournaments will die by them selves when they can't attract audience and sponsors. I bet they are just afraid that exactly that is going to happen to them. Very generous of them to let people have their own tournaments in pc bangs etc. Really, very generous.


hm? zotac and minor league arent broadcasted on tv, so they only have to pay 1 won
kataa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom384 Posts
October 16 2010 12:10 GMT
#76
I'm kinda confused, this seemed more like damage control to me than them giving their go ahead to the proleague. If anything the whole 'the money we receive will go to a scholarship ect" seems like they're trying to prempt the negative press they're going to get from trying to shut down the proleague.

Maybe I misread it, but I seem to be taking away something totally different from this than 90% of the people in the thread.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 12:24:59
October 16 2010 12:22 GMT
#77
On October 16 2010 21:10 kataa wrote:
I'm kinda confused, this seemed more like damage control to me than them giving their go ahead to the proleague. If anything the whole 'the money we receive will go to a scholarship ect" seems like they're trying to prempt the negative press they're going to get from trying to shut down the proleague.

Maybe I misread it, but I seem to be taking away something totally different from this than 90% of the people in the thread.


Yeah, I don't buy what's in the statement. Sounds like they just made up a bunch of excuses. But they're going to have to go to court if they want to shut down proleague. That's going to take awhile.

영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
October 16 2010 12:25 GMT
#78
On October 16 2010 20:18 SkelA wrote:
Gom is saying " We will leave Proleague to run but OSL and MSL is out of the question "

Or its just the MSL who will be axed ??


OSL is gonna start soon once they announce that Korean Air is gonna sponsor(again).
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
October 16 2010 12:44 GMT
#79
Best thing for eSports is to completely leave kespa alone and not start this shit in the first place if they really had that in mind. Nothing they've done is of benefit to esports.
hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
October 16 2010 12:50 GMT
#80
It is so obvious that GreTech is afraid of going to court.
Hope OSL and MSL will also be fine.
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