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On October 16 2010 16:10 stafu wrote:
Gretech are acting about 1000% more mature in all of this than KeSPA. I always had my doubts about the things KeSPA kept saying, and the attitude they described regarding Gretech. Good move by Gretech to stay silent and not sink to the same level.
Lol, this isn't about maturity.
Gretech has had nothing to lose up until this point. It's only now that their image is in danger of taking a hit that they're doing PR like this.
On the other hand, KeSPA and everyone involved in BW had every reason to try and get public support right away to keep the leagues alive.
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On October 16 2010 16:21 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 16:19 Selith wrote:On October 16 2010 16:16 QuothTheRaven wrote:
Yeah, that was reported in one of the other threads. And it was stated that Gretech rejected the 300 million won. What gives? Gretech wants IP rights acknowledged more than the money. Yeah IP rights have nothing to do with money. Oh wait.
Indeed, the IP has to do with money. But everything a company does has to do with money. Putting that point aside, I think Gretech is seeking to set a precedent for IP rights. Blizzard/any publisher would be that much stronger when arguing for IP rights in the future, and that seems to be exactly what they're aiming for.
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On October 16 2010 16:19 zenMaster wrote:
Gretech playing the good cop bad cop, first being bad doing dumb shit like throwing a fit over MBC, now playing PR trying to get a good image with the public. Best thing for BW E-Sports is to just take the money and leave Kespa alone.
Exactly. They realized what they were doing was retarded, especially for their image. At least PL is safe !
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On October 16 2010 16:31 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 16:19 zenMaster wrote:
Gretech playing the good cop bad cop, first being bad doing dumb shit like throwing a fit over MBC, now playing PR trying to get a good image with the public. Best thing for BW E-Sports is to just take the money and leave Kespa alone. Exactly. They realized what they were doing was retarded, especially for their image. At least PL is safe !
one hell of an assumption.
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LOL at all the people panning Gretech anyways. When rumours from Kespa were being leaked, people were up in arms saying that Gretech is trying to kill E-sports, all based on rumours.
Gretech are fans of Starcraft themselves, they used to run their own tournaments. All is good with the world.
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On October 16 2010 16:26 QibingZero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 16:10 stafu wrote:
Gretech are acting about 1000% more mature in all of this than KeSPA. I always had my doubts about the things KeSPA kept saying, and the attitude they described regarding Gretech. Good move by Gretech to stay silent and not sink to the same level. Lol, this isn't about maturity. Gretech has had nothing to lose up until this point. It's only now that their image is in danger of taking a hit that they're doing PR like this. On the other hand, KeSPA and everyone involved in BW had every reason to try and get public support right away to keep the leagues alive.
Although on TL we have plenty of folks willing to bash Blizzard/Gretech, if you read the comments on Korean media you'll find KeSPA is under way more fire from the fans (who post online).
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I don't give a shit why Gretech is pulling this good cop thing.
I'm just glad there's going to be BW PL.
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Phew, felt like the Cuban Missile Crisis for a second there. Glad to see that things are calm for now
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Yeah, seriously. There's been so much bullshit going on and these guys are taking zero-sum negotiation to a whole new level.
Next thing you know, they'll be claiming that Kespa wanted to pay 300 million won but Gretech only wanted 100 million and that they fought over it like Chinese people do over a dinner check.
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On October 16 2010 16:45 andrewlt wrote:
Next thing you know, they'll be claiming that Kespa wanted to pay 300 million won but Gretech only wanted 100 million and that they fought over it like Chinese people do over a dinner check.
lol it's mean but hahaha this is funny as shit
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Blizzard should never have negotiated with Gretech in the first place, they're idiots. This sounds like a step in the right direction but the problem is Gretech has exclusive rights anyway, which is a total absurdity.
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On October 16 2010 16:53 Ancestral wrote:
Blizzard should never have negotiated with Gretech in the first place, they're idiots. This sounds like a step in the right direction but the problem is Gretech has exclusive rights anyway, which is a total absurdity.
Blizzard wanted to negotiate with KeSPA first. KeSPA said "lolno".
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No legal action necessary!
Yeahy, I am a happier man!
I don't mind if MSL is taken out for good. We have the GSL now.
But let the proleague live.
So thank you, Gretech!
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Good news! I might end my SC2/Gretech boycott pretty soon it seems. ^__^
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On October 16 2010 16:19 zenMaster wrote:
Gretech playing the good cop bad cop, first being bad doing dumb shit like throwing a fit over MBC, now playing PR trying to get a good image with the public. Best thing for BW E-Sports is to just take the money and leave Kespa alone.
I get the feeling that they wouldn't have released this statement had proleague not gone ahead and started today without their approval.
So much for taking legal action. Anyway they were playing with big guns like SKT and their army of lawyers/PR pple. So it's not unexpected.
At this point, I'm just tired of the drama. As long as proleague/BW proscene survives, I'll be happy.
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No matter what, Gretech is losing the PR war. They should have clarify their standing immediately when rumours started to pile up and Kespa released their side of story. No one will know if Gretech had these very intentions in the beginning or just bandaids to save their face.
Now Gretech looks weak for caving in, suspicious for hiding their original intent and they need to do more than just this to repair their image.Their Naivety for keeping to the NDA is hurting themselves.
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On October 16 2010 15:48 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 15:15 Selith wrote:
First is the fees. GomTV stated, 'Each tournaments will cost 1 won (ed. That's not a mistranslation, it really said 1 won), and broadcasting fee is 100 million won'. The reason for the broadcasting fee is to have only the corporations who are capable planning a high-quality e-sports tournaments, broadcasting, and provide high-quality broadcast for the players and the viewers.
A jab at MBC's incompetence?
I think less that and more a justification for their fee.
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Surely these statements being released now had nothing to do with Proleague going on without a hitch despite all their shenaneggins lol...
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I still have trouble to see what the problem is in the negotiations.
Excuse my ignorance, but if anyone could clear up some questions I have, that would be greatly appreciated.
Apparently, the tournament fee is 1 won and the broadcasting fee is 100 million won.
KeSPA offered 300 million won, but the offer was rejected. According to Selith on page two of this thread, IP rights were not acknowledged in the offer.
So because KeSPA does not want to acknowledge that all rights to Starcraft belong to Blizzard, that this is happening?
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On October 16 2010 18:08 Science Vessel wrote:
I still have trouble to see what the problem is in the negotiations.
Excuse my ignorance, but if anyone could clear up some questions I have, that would be greatly appreciated.
Apparently, the tournament fee is 1 won and the broadcasting fee is 100 million won.
KeSPA offered 300 million won, but the offer was rejected. According to Selith on page two of this thread, IP rights were not acknowledged in the offer.
So because KeSPA does not want to acknowledge that all rights to Starcraft belong to Blizzard, that this is happening?
Blizzard made a list of 6 demands to Kespa. I can't remember all of them off-hand but one of them included the right to vet Kespa's books. It's these 6 demands that are the stumbling block.
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