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sc1saus
Profile Joined May 2010
15 Posts
October 18 2010 17:45 GMT
#241
Is Kespa going to agree with this? well it depends how they see themselves. If they see themselves as the FIFA of Starcraft than no way you'd ever agree to pay other people lol, just imagine. But if they see themselves as an organisation of companies who are into marketing their products via esports, then they'll probably pay up.

I still don't think IP rights should go that far. It is one of those EULA things companies have come up with in recent years: you don't own games, you license them. But it makes me wonder... Some years ago there was this show on english telly and they'd replay famous war battles of years past using one of the old Total War games. Did they pay to use that game for their show? did they have to if Creative Assembly (developer) had demanded it?
Saklaner
Profile Joined June 2010
Chile9 Posts
October 18 2010 18:04 GMT
#242
On October 18 2010 16:27 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2010 15:44 Saklaner wrote:
On October 18 2010 15:25 endy wrote:
On October 18 2010 15:04 Saklaner wrote:
Every new tourney or league created 'magically' creates a profit to KeSPA and they DO NOT spend a single Won to produce it, surprise: That's what Korean Air, BigFile and many other companies over the years have been doing. KeSPA has a tournament idea, some company puts their money on it and KeSPA gets away with a huge profit. Chances are that money goes directly to the company owners in charge of KeSPA's pockets.


Afaik, the Starleagues sponsors provide the prize pools + some expenses like renting the venue for the finals (stage in Shanghai, or plane hangar or whatever). Having a Starleague sponsor by Korean Air doesn't mean that Korean Air is going to supply every single thing the players need.


What players need is paid by the team sponsors, as someone explained in another post.


KeSPA = teams + sponsors + officials associated in a non-profit organization.




Do not quote me if you won't read my whole post. tyvm.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5739 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 18:38:27
October 18 2010 18:31 GMT
#243
On October 19 2010 03:04 Saklaner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2010 16:27 endy wrote:
On October 18 2010 15:44 Saklaner wrote:
On October 18 2010 15:25 endy wrote:
On October 18 2010 15:04 Saklaner wrote:
Every new tourney or league created 'magically' creates a profit to KeSPA and they DO NOT spend a single Won to produce it, surprise: That's what Korean Air, BigFile and many other companies over the years have been doing. KeSPA has a tournament idea, some company puts their money on it and KeSPA gets away with a huge profit. Chances are that money goes directly to the company owners in charge of KeSPA's pockets.


Afaik, the Starleagues sponsors provide the prize pools + some expenses like renting the venue for the finals (stage in Shanghai, or plane hangar or whatever). Having a Starleague sponsor by Korean Air doesn't mean that Korean Air is going to supply every single thing the players need.


What players need is paid by the team sponsors, as someone explained in another post.


KeSPA = teams + sponsors + officials associated in a non-profit organization.




Do not quote me if you won't read my whole post. tyvm.


It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.Out of all the sponsors, you mentioned Korean Air and Bigfile. Well, guess what, KeSPA never charged for neither OSL nor MSL.

Not to mention the fact that the money generated by the leagues are pennies compared to what KeSPA spends on esports, and they reinvest all of that back into esports. Also KeSPA does spend money on the leagues (let's ignore that fact that OGN and MBC are in fact KeSPA members) - music performances (PL finals, etc.), new maps, referees, renting stadium/beach/whatever during the post-season, and so on.

;]
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
October 19 2010 07:23 GMT
#244
On October 19 2010 03:31 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 03:04 Saklaner wrote:
On October 18 2010 16:27 endy wrote:
On October 18 2010 15:44 Saklaner wrote:
On October 18 2010 15:25 endy wrote:
On October 18 2010 15:04 Saklaner wrote:
Every new tourney or league created 'magically' creates a profit to KeSPA and they DO NOT spend a single Won to produce it, surprise: That's what Korean Air, BigFile and many other companies over the years have been doing. KeSPA has a tournament idea, some company puts their money on it and KeSPA gets away with a huge profit. Chances are that money goes directly to the company owners in charge of KeSPA's pockets.


Afaik, the Starleagues sponsors provide the prize pools + some expenses like renting the venue for the finals (stage in Shanghai, or plane hangar or whatever). Having a Starleague sponsor by Korean Air doesn't mean that Korean Air is going to supply every single thing the players need.


What players need is paid by the team sponsors, as someone explained in another post.


KeSPA = teams + sponsors + officials associated in a non-profit organization.




Do not quote me if you won't read my whole post. tyvm.


It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.Out of all the sponsors, you mentioned Korean Air and Bigfile. Well, guess what, KeSPA never charged for neither OSL nor MSL.

Not to mention the fact that the money generated by the leagues are pennies compared to what KeSPA spends on esports, and they reinvest all of that back into esports. Also KeSPA does spend money on the leagues (let's ignore that fact that OGN and MBC are in fact KeSPA members) - music performances (PL finals, etc.), new maps, referees, renting stadium/beach/whatever during the post-season, and so on.

;]


Thanks mate, I didn't know how I should reply to him. I was trying to refrain myself from insulting him, then I saw your post. You have a lot of patience and dedication
ॐ
Varth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States426 Posts
October 20 2010 13:30 GMT
#245
Someone saying an entire group of people fail in logic, really isnt very comparable to calling a specific person a "fucking idiot". was my statement fairly negative? Yeah I'd somewhat agree, but mostly because I was frustrated at the lack of content (admittedly not all your fault since we dont know many details) but many were able to construct well thought out posts without said information on the gretech side.

If I'm mistaken and there were a few well thought out posts from kespa people I would appreciate a link of somesort, because so far ive been unable to find one. I was kind of hoping that my post would challenge you guys in making more well thought out posts, or actually making an effort of proving me wrong instead of just blasting from the hip about your feelings. Do those posts have their place, sure, but I was expecting something a little more rational somewhere in there.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5739 Posts
October 20 2010 17:33 GMT
#246
On October 20 2010 22:30 Varth wrote:
Someone saying an entire group of people fail in logic, really isnt very comparable to calling a specific person a "fucking idiot". was my statement fairly negative? Yeah I'd somewhat agree, but mostly because I was frustrated at the lack of content (admittedly not all your fault since we dont know many details) but many were able to construct well thought out posts without said information on the gretech side.

If I'm mistaken and there were a few well thought out posts from kespa people I would appreciate a link of somesort, because so far ive been unable to find one. I was kind of hoping that my post would challenge you guys in making more well thought out posts, or actually making an effort of proving me wrong instead of just blasting from the hip about your feelings. Do those posts have their place, sure, but I was expecting something a little more rational somewhere in there.


You can start here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=maybenexttime&gb=date

Don't have the time to reiterate every single of my points.
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