EPTKeSPA-Gretech cease negotiations - Page 5
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StarStruck
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:32 urashimakt wrote: I have yet to see a court of law where evilness was an acceptable term for dismissal of a case. Might try the chewbacca defense, though. No, I don't mean to use it to win the case. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5879 Posts
On October 14 2010 00:15 Waxangel wrote: If we had to speculate about Gretech's motives, I think it's more plausible to say they want KeSPA and MBCGame to die, but not BW as a whole. They successfully negotiated with OGN for the OSL last season, which shows they don't mind BW tournaments. I'm curious as to what specific demands on either side caused the MBCGame and KeSPA negotiation failures, however. This reasoning is flawed, mate. To me it seems like they want to kill-off BW, while at the same time save their face - that's all there is to it. You know why? Because they know that without ProLeague BW progaming will die regardless of whether they let OGN broadcast OSL or not. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
So really, this is just CJ taking over, and not really any blizzard vs kespa battle. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:42 Masq wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt Gretech owned by a parent company of CJ? So really, this is just CJ taking over, and not really any blizzard vs kespa battle. CJ owns 50% of a company that owns 25?% of Gretech. And I think they said they don't control gretech's activity. That being said, they ARE fighting within KeSPA for power. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:44 Lightwip wrote: CJ owns 50% of a company that owns 25?% of Gretech. And I think they said they don't control gretech's activity. That being said, they ARE fighting within KeSPA for power. Regardless of the percentages, its pretty much impossible to assume they don't have any interests in this. Sure they say they don't control Gretechs activity, but I'm sure they contribute. This was probably planned long ago. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:59 Hinanawi wrote: Seems like the best solution would be for Gretech to be reasonable and let them broadcast Proleague, but also for MBC and Kespa to be reasonable, and broadcast it in time slots so that it doesn't conflict with GSL 2. I think the best solution is for kespa to operate similar to how they have been operating and not let gretech try to slowly kill off bw by pushing it off of time slots and feeding off the scene that bw built up. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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nimoraca
Serbia84 Posts
On the other hand, this kind of IP rights conflict was never, ever, before seen in court. It will be interesting to see how it all turns out. It is even more exciting then the leagues itself... Just joking. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
That said, i stand by the belief that Gretech is doing its best to kill off its competitor without gaining some bad reps.. Their nit-picking on MBC despite it having done nothing wrong is (imo) a clear indicator. Since Gretech is so stuck on the legal side of things, why is MBC who did exactly as they were told (stop all broadcasting after 31 August) suddenly become the bad guy? Is it not because they just needed some guy to pick on and not agree to terms of the negotiations? Anyhow, one side is looking to preserve Brood War (whatever other people infer their ulterior motives to be), and the other is killing it off for some random RTS. Picking a side has never been easier  @ Intrique Many people are "boycotting" BW not so much cos of hating on Gretech/Blizz but more so because it (pardon me) outright sucks, in my (our) opinion.. I enjoy myself way more watching/playing DotA or Civilization recently. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
If it goes KeSPA's way i wonder if SC2 would be opened up more in Korea so leagues could be run with only a license fee paid and not more control by Blizzard. That would be the best for eSports. They might decide its in the Korean publics best interest that a game can have a professional scene without the complete control of the developer. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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Savant
United States379 Posts
As for SC2, I think it will stale unless the patches do something drastic. Not that it does not require skill, but the key "money" moments in SC2 can't compare to a marine bust against lurkers, or a swarm barely holding off a push, or 100 pop of dragoons melting in a climactic battle. There's little spectator value for people who don't avidly play and understand the game. Hopefully the expansions will fix that. If not.... | ||
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polgas
Canada1791 Posts
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r3z3nd3
Brazil522 Posts
On October 14 2010 03:21 ffreakk wrote: Many people are "boycotting" BW not so much cos of hating on Gretech/Blizz but more so because it (pardon me) outright sucks, in my (our) opinion.. I enjoy myself way more watching/playing DotA or Civilization recently. I believe that are people who think that BW sucks. But they aren't "many", like you say. There are "many" who think it's a very enjoyable e-sports, and these are the people who enjoyed it for 10 years and are very worried with this situation. | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
On October 14 2010 03:26 infinity2k9 wrote: If it goes KeSPA's way i wonder if SC2 would be opened up more in Korea so leagues could be run with only a license fee paid and not more control by Blizzard. That would be the best for eSports. They might decide its in the Korean publics best interest that a game can have a professional scene without the complete control of the developer. That would never happen with SC2. Blizzard will just start banning accounts used or other methods as long as the game requires BNet to work. Any court victory, if it ever happens, won't allow KESPA or any other organization to run their own servers without causing an even bigger shitstorm of controversy by every game developer in the world. | ||
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hku
169 Posts
It's Blizzard trying to strong arm it's presence into the starcraft bw professional scene. It makes sense from their perspective: they made the game, they made it good, and they want to be recognized for it. Korea sees it differently. Korea, ever since the end of WWII has been feircely protective of it's commerce, culture, and corporations. They have done everything in their power time and time again to maintain their identity. They Korean government has been notorious for the past 40 years for working very, VERY closely with its corporations to ensure their success and individuality. There is a reason Korean came to be one of the most successful economic countries in the past 40 years. The Korean government is ruthless in protecting Korean commerce. They banned all Japanese cultural imports throughout the 70's, 80's, and 90's (no Playstations, Jpop). They did pretty much everything in their power to make sure that companies like Samsung, Hyundai, and LG would succeed. The Korean people take a great pride in their identity and growth. The Korean government and people are again facing a similar dillema with the starcraft scene. They see Proleague, MSL, and OSL as a cultural cornerstone and a Korean product to be consumed by Korean people. They're willing to pay Blizzard and Gretech any amount of money, they just will do anything to prevent outside and non-Korean influence on a cultural treasure. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On October 14 2010 03:56 hku wrote: This isn't about money. This ISN'T about money. It's Blizzard trying to strong arm it's presence into the starcraft bw professional scene. It makes sense from their perspective: they made the game, they made it good, and they want to be recognized for it. Korea sees it differently. Korea, ever since the end of WWII has been feircely protective of it's commerce, culture, and corporations. They have done everything in their power time and time again to maintain their identity. They Korean government has been notorious for the past 40 years for working very, VERY closely with its corporations to ensure their success and individuality. There is a reason Korean came to be one of the most successful economic countries in the past 40 years. The Korean government is ruthless in protecting Korean commerce. They banned all Japanese cultural imports throughout the 70's, 80's, and 90's (no Playstations, Jpop). They did pretty much everything in their power to make sure that companies like Samsung, Hyundai, and LG would succeed. The Korean people take a great pride in their identity and growth. The Korean government and people are again facing a similar dillema with the starcraft scene. They see Proleague, MSL, and OSL as a cultural cornerstone and a Korean product to be consumed by Korean people. They're willing to pay Blizzard and Gretech any amount of money, they just will do anything to prevent outside and non-Korean influence on a cultural treasure. 1. I don't know what the hell you are talking about; I owned a PS in the mid 90's. My friends had PS by the end of 90s. 2. Korean people take a great pride in what they (we) did. We started the Starcraft scene, and we are proud of what we have done with the scene. Is KeSPA really trying to prevent outside/non-Korean influence by paying them money? By paying the money, it already shows that KeSPA accepts their terms and agrees to their existence. I think you have a faulty logic here: If KeSPA really wanted Blizzard to stay out of this, they would have ignored them as a whole (a.k.a. no negotiations whatsoever). Sure, it's not about money. But it's not for the reasons that you have posted either. | ||
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