EPTKeSPA-Gretech cease negotiations - Page 4
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oBlade
United States5926 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On October 14 2010 00:26 Milkis wrote: Even if they convinced Shinhan bank they're gonna wipe the floor with Blizzard, it still looks bad to host an "illegal" league. I really, really don't know what's going on, but I'm sure there are some intricate calculations involved by KeSPA overall -_- i really hope it isn't as simple as "dur dur lets kill'em in court" Well it's not illegal until a court rules in favour of Gretech. For now, it's simply disputed. | ||
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Vedic
United States582 Posts
On October 14 2010 01:20 Milkis wrote: fyi injunctions aren't the end of the story what kespa is probably gonna do is put in a bail and go on with it while the trial is ongoing. you can do that in korea apparently if it relates to IP rights. Citation needed. | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On October 14 2010 00:12 KinosJourney2 wrote: Dude, KeSPA are acting like little children refusing to pay up for the rights to broadcast. If it's anyones fault BW is dying it's KeSPAs..... Dude, it is obviously not about the money. KeSPA has said that they are willing to pay long time ago. It is about MBC and conflicts with GSL. GreTech has too strong a stance on MBC and time slot issues. | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
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Klimpen
New Zealand100 Posts
I find Gretech's firm stance in these negotiations easy to understand. Any precident set by BroodWar will translate over to SC2. If they let KeSPA get away with ignoring their exclusive broadcast rights, then anyone can do the same for SC2. Without exclusive rights Gretech would be much more hesitant to invest in SC2, imo. | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:05 Klimpen wrote: With the recent exodus of players, I personally find the outcome of there's negotiations to be irrelevant, though I suppose you could argue that fewer players would have left if negotiations had gone better. I find Gretech's firm stance in these negotiations easy to understand. Any precident set by BroodWar will translate over to SC2. If they let KeSPA get away with ignoring their exclusive broadcast rights, then anyone can do the same for SC2. Without exclusive rights Gretech would be much more hesitant to invest in SC2, imo. SC2 is different from BW, in SC2's agreement, everything is written. But not in BW's agreement. | ||
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DragonDefonce
United States790 Posts
On October 14 2010 00:15 Waxangel wrote: If we had to speculate about Gretech's motives, I think it's more plausible to say they want KeSPA and MBCGame to die, but not BW as a whole. They successfully negotiated with OGN for the OSL last season, which shows they don't mind BW tournaments. I'm curious as to what specific demands on either side caused the MBCGame and KeSPA negotiation failures, however. GSL didn't exist last season. They had nothing to lose from the popularity of BW. Now, they don't mind BW as long as it doesn't compete for viewership with the GSL. | ||
snowdrift
France2061 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50639 Posts
On October 14 2010 01:58 hydraden wrote: Dude, it is obviously not about the money. KeSPA has said that they are willing to pay long time ago. It is about MBC and conflicts with GSL. GreTech has too strong a stance on MBC and time slot issues. I also think this is the main reason why the negotiations broke down It's really wrong to just say that they want to kill off BW because if I recall they only wanted to kill off proleague after their negotiations with MBC went sour | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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Vedic
United States582 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:08 hydraden wrote: SC2 is different from BW, in SC2's agreement, everything is written. But not in BW's agreement. Not true - it's all still there in SCBW. The only difference between SC and SC2 is that SC2 goes through the central server at Blizzard, and they can enforce whatever rules they want no matter what. If someone tried to do something like this in SC2, Blizzard can merely disable their accounts, and they couldn't do a thing about it. This is the main reason that KeSPA is afraid of the game. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:17 teamsolid wrote: I'm thinking KeSPA's plan is to take it to court and then use the media to show how "evil" Gretech is for trying to kill off BW. If they do win in courts, then it's double win, they continue PL and Gretech gets a real bad rap. However, I really don't see a plan B if they actually lose. They don't need the media if they have the Ministry of Culture's full backing. | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
I want PL, but cant blame Gretech for their actions looking back on history. | ||
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Klimpen
New Zealand100 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:08 hydraden wrote: SC2 is different from BW, in SC2's agreement, everything is written. But not in BW's agreement. Mind citing your source? I have a hard time believing that Blizzard doesn't have a written agreement with Gretech concerning BW. If you're referring to the EULA, they're barely worth the bytes they take up on your hdd. I highly doubt any EULA has factored into dicussions in any major way. | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
Go KeSPA! | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:17 teamsolid wrote: I'm thinking KeSPA's plan is to take it to court and then use the media to show how "evil" Gretech is for trying to kill off BW. If they do win in courts, then it's double win, they continue PL and Gretech gets a real bad rap. However, I really don't see a plan B if they actually lose. I have yet to see a court of law where evilness was an acceptable term for dismissal of a case. Might try the chewbacca defense, though. | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
So what? Kespa is going to go on without Gretech's permission, but what authority does Gretech have exactly? That has never been clear to me. Furthermore... Why are either of these companies the BW authorities? I have read a ton of posts and threads and I cannot make heads or tails of this without having to try and read a ton of additional information that only serves to further confuse my simple brain. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:32 Sleight wrote: So for those of us who are less booked up on this issue and can't find a single, concise explanation of the situation... So what? Kespa is going to go on without Gretech's permission, but what authority does Gretech have exactly? That has never been clear to me. Furthermore... Why are either of these companies the BW authorities? I have read a ton of posts and threads and I cannot make heads or tails of this without having to try and read a ton of additional information that only serves to further confuse my simple brain. Gretech has the broadcasting rights to all Blizzard games in korea . Kespa has developed BW e - sports to the highest standarts possible right now . | ||
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