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United States33708 Posts
On October 14 2010 00:38 raga4ka wrote:Finally ! I was geting sick of all the negotiations and rumors . Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 00:15 Waxangel wrote:
If we had to speculate about Gretech's motives, I think it's more plausible to say they want KeSPA and MBCGame to die, but not BW as a whole. They successfully negotiated with OGN for the OSL last season, which shows they don't mind BW tournaments. I'm curious as to what specific demands on either side caused the MBCGame and KeSPA negotiation failures, however. But how will there be OSL without Proleague ? Kespa is owning all the proteams . If Kespa dies there goes the salaries of hundreds of progamers and thousands of people lose their jobs . BW scene will lower itself to the level of the SC2 scene which is like 10 years of devolution . Well not that i'm surprised it's basically what Blizzard and Gretech wants ...
Well if I had to speculate some more, and I think this is as far as I'll go...
If I'm assuming Gretech want KeSPA and MBCGame's leagues dead, I think they would do it largely out of principle, because of the latter two parties' continuation of their leagues without getting a license from Gretech. That showed their disrespect for Gretech and the rights they bought from Blizzard. They would still be willing to negotiate with anyone who is cordial to them and will talk on their terms.
Gretech would be getting the significant bonus of ridding themselves of competition, but it would not have been their ultimate goal from the beginning (despite it being the most beneficial outcome). For them to go in with the explicit goal of killing all Brood War tournament organizers is too cynical and evil to be plausible to me.
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On October 14 2010 00:42 lokiM wrote:
lol this is becoming a huge joke
KeSPA needs to stop doing dumb shit like this, and Gretech needs to stop acting like little kids.. this shit was announced before oct 13th. Seems to me they're just trying to look for an excuse to kill off KeSPA
Seriously what's so dumb about it? Even though I don't know exactly what has been going on with the negotiations, it didn't seem like KeSPA had a choice. Gretech/Blizzard with what I feel is preposterous demands only want to kill BW to get more attention to SC2.
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Canada11607 Posts
Well I guess things are finally firming up. But whatever the outcome is I'm not looking forward to it. It would've been nice to see flexibility on either sides, but I doubt everyone will be holding hands and singing kumbaya after this.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On October 14 2010 00:24 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 00:21 Milkis wrote:On October 14 2010 00:15 Waxangel wrote:On October 14 2010 00:12 supernovamaniac wrote:
If my pro-KeSPA speculations are true, then Gretech probably delayed the negotiations up until this point where they can basically 'pull out' of the negotiations in a favorable fashion without making fans think that Gretech wants to kill-off BW
I'm not saying that this is the case (my views are neutral in this case), but it is a probability. If we had to speculate about Gretech's motives, I think it's more plausible to say they want KeSPA and MBCGame to die, but not BW as a whole. They successfully negotiated with OGN for the OSL last season, which shows they don't mind BW tournaments. I'm curious as to what specific demands on either side caused the MBCGame and KeSPA negotiation failures, however. Without Proleague, Starleagues will die. Killing KeSPA *is* killing BW as a whole in the long run. I would say both motives brought up here is wrong. I'm not defending either party at this point, however. tbh announcing the move is a bad move on KeSPA's part. I don't know what they're scheming but seriously I hope it's not the "like we can't beat some game company in court" attitude they're rumored to have. I want to know what Shinhan is thinking. What else could it be, other than they convinced Shinhan Bank that they're gonna wipe the floor with Blizzard in court, or at least be able to drag it out for longer than a season? KeSPA might be stupid from time to time, but a major Korean bank has got to be smarter right?
There could be a lot more going on than just that lol.
Or they have some sort of pull-out clause in the contract incase KESPA loses, or Shinhan is getting a great deal. Whether or not KESPA wins this case, it's still a shitload of exposure for Shinhan.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51632 Posts
Well then if they are going to court it means that there is going to be a lot of time before the issue gets resolved and until then its business as usual....
The statement might be a little off since US/Korean Laws(or law in general) are not my area of expertise.
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Well then if they are going to court it means that there is going to be a lot of time before the issue gets resolved and until then its business as usual....
Not really. They can file for an injunction to prevent KeSPA from going forward until there is a ruling.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51632 Posts
On October 14 2010 01:06 Vedic wrote:Show nested quote +Well then if they are going to court it means that there is going to be a lot of time before the issue gets resolved and until then its business as usual.... Not really. They can file for an injunction to prevent KeSPA from going forward until there is a ruling.
hmmm.....
Is there a downside to gretech for filing an injunction?I know this is really no the place to ask this..
I really hope they don't because then Action would lose his new job(so would everyone else)and be out of money and remember that I owez him mineralz.
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As happy as I am to see the proleauge potentially going forward, Kespa's attitude of "fuck it, we'll deal with this later" can only be bad in the long run.
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Get ready for some court-room drama.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
lol the 'official pl will start' announcement got my hopes up.
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Shinhan Bank are going to get more public exposure from this inevitably court case (where it's worth noting they will be viewed as innocent bystanders) than the last 3 proleagues combined in all likelihood. It's such a public cat fight that their logo is going to be featured heavily and potentially for years to come depending on the fallout. Their sponsorship really will mean nothing with regards to their confidence in the result of the litigation.
That said Korea has a well documented problem with corruption and I imagine Shinhan, as well as KeSPA and the sponsors that form it, will be considerably more likely to be in a position of power in that manner. Bare in mind i'm not insinuating giving the guy $20 in a handshake, it's more akin to the lobbying and political office funding of the USA as I understand it, but more out of hand.
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On October 14 2010 01:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 01:06 Vedic wrote:Well then if they are going to court it means that there is going to be a lot of time before the issue gets resolved and until then its business as usual.... Not really. They can file for an injunction to prevent KeSPA from going forward until there is a ruling. hmmm..... Is there a downside to gretech for filing an injunction?I know this is really no the place to ask this.. I really hope they don't because then Action would lose his new job(so would everyone else)and be out of money and remember that I owez him mineralz.
I don't know what you mean by "down side", but you basically need to petition the court, and give a good reason for the injunction. I don't see any reason why the court wouldn't.
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On October 14 2010 01:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 01:06 Vedic wrote:Well then if they are going to court it means that there is going to be a lot of time before the issue gets resolved and until then its business as usual.... Not really. They can file for an injunction to prevent KeSPA from going forward until there is a ruling. hmmm..... Is there a downside to gretech for filing an injunction?I know this is really no the place to ask this...
fyi injunctions aren't the end of the story
what kespa is probably gonna do is put in a bail and go on with it while the trial is ongoing. you can do that in korea apparently if it relates to IP rights.
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Washington, D.C9935 Posts
On October 14 2010 00:21 Elroi wrote:wow  I thought they had reached an agreement. Guess I'll continue to boycott SC2.
how does boycotting sc2 ch- oh, nevermind.
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Hopefully Korean court isn't bribed silly by Blizzard. Maybe they will side with KeSPA and the SPL can go on for a while more. KeSPA created the scene without any help from Blizzard. Bad move from Blizz/Gretech to come back and being tough on negotiations. If SC2 was worth anything it wouldn't have to be scared of a 2D RTS
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On October 14 2010 01:15 alffla wrote:
lol the 'official pl will start' announcement got my hopes up.
A Kespa-Gretech agreement was never going to happen imo.
I'm took this decision to proceed with proleague as an indication that Kespa is confident they have the government's backing on this one.
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Something tells me this won't be good neither for sc2 nor BW
Especially BW
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51632 Posts
On October 14 2010 01:23 intrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 00:21 Elroi wrote:wow I thought they had reached an agreement. Guess I'll continue to boycott SC2. how does boycotting sc2 ch- oh, nevermind.
My thoughts exactly...
hmm since proleauge will continue anyway....I sense serious trouble for OGN because now it's in between both sides
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Everyone is a bad guy here and the fans and players are the losers. Sad news. The further this progresses the bleaker it looks.
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On October 14 2010 01:28 Ryo wrote:
I'm taking this decision to proceed with proleague as an indication that Kespa is confident they have the government's backing on this one.
I really really hope thats the case, and that it works out in their favor. Too much riding on this. 
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