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On October 14 2010 00:15 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 00:12 supernovamaniac wrote:
If my pro-KeSPA speculations are true, then Gretech probably delayed the negotiations up until this point where they can basically 'pull out' of the negotiations in a favorable fashion without making fans think that Gretech wants to kill-off BW
I'm not saying that this is the case (my views are neutral in this case), but it is a probability. If we had to speculate about Gretech's motives, I think it's more plausible to say they want KeSPA and MBCGame to die, but not BW as a whole. They successfully negotiated with OGN for the OSL last season, which shows they don't mind BW tournaments. I'm curious as to what specific demands on either side caused the MBCGame and KeSPA negotiation failures, however.
Then mistakes on my part. I hope that the next OGN preliminaries (which will happen most likely next week, if not 2 weeks) was negotiated beforehand; at least now we will know Gretech's motivations after the preliminaries.
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On October 14 2010 00:15 Waxangel wrote:
If we had to speculate about Gretech's motives, I think it's more plausible to say they want KeSPA and MBCGame to die, but not BW as a whole. They successfully negotiated with OGN for the OSL last season, which shows they don't mind BW tournaments. I'm curious as to what specific demands on either side caused the MBCGame and KeSPA negotiation failures, however.
Exactly, and until we know more of the demands made by both sides no one organization can be blamed, or be pronounced guilt free.
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On October 14 2010 00:02 _awake_ wrote:
Gretech are the bad guys here. Is anyone still not convinced they want to kill BW?
Honestly no, I don't think Gretech are the bad guys. We all know who is pulling the strings here
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Floor, please stop with the baseless acusations, it serves no purpose
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On October 14 2010 00:15 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 00:12 supernovamaniac wrote:
If my pro-KeSPA speculations are true, then Gretech probably delayed the negotiations up until this point where they can basically 'pull out' of the negotiations in a favorable fashion without making fans think that Gretech wants to kill-off BW
I'm not saying that this is the case (my views are neutral in this case), but it is a probability. If we had to speculate about Gretech's motives, I think it's more plausible to say they want KeSPA and MBCGame to die, but not BW as a whole. They successfully negotiated with OGN for the OSL last season, which shows they don't mind BW tournaments. I'm curious as to what specific demands on either side caused the MBCGame and KeSPA negotiation failures, however.
Without Proleague, Starleagues will die. Killing KeSPA *is* killing BW as a whole in the long run. I would say both motives brought up here is wrong. I'm not defending either party at this point, however.
tbh announcing the move is a bad move on KeSPA's part. I don't know what they're scheming but seriously I hope it's not the "like we can't beat some game company in court" attitude they're rumored to have.
I want to know what Shinhan is thinking.
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wow  I thought they had reached an agreement. Guess I'll continue to boycott SC2.
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Pretty disappointing.
I'm still hoping for some sort of miracle negotiation
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On October 14 2010 00:21 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 00:15 Waxangel wrote:On October 14 2010 00:12 supernovamaniac wrote:
If my pro-KeSPA speculations are true, then Gretech probably delayed the negotiations up until this point where they can basically 'pull out' of the negotiations in a favorable fashion without making fans think that Gretech wants to kill-off BW
I'm not saying that this is the case (my views are neutral in this case), but it is a probability. If we had to speculate about Gretech's motives, I think it's more plausible to say they want KeSPA and MBCGame to die, but not BW as a whole. They successfully negotiated with OGN for the OSL last season, which shows they don't mind BW tournaments. I'm curious as to what specific demands on either side caused the MBCGame and KeSPA negotiation failures, however. Without Proleague, Starleagues will die. Killing KeSPA *is* killing BW as a whole in the long run. I would say both motives brought up here is wrong. I'm not defending either party at this point, however. tbh announcing the move is a bad move on KeSPA's part. I don't know what they're scheming but seriously I hope it's not the "like we can't beat some game company in court" attitude they're rumored to have. I want to know what Shinhan is thinking.
What else could it be, other than they convinced Shinhan Bank that they're gonna wipe the floor with Blizzard in court, or at least be able to drag it out for longer than a season? KeSPA might be stupid from time to time, but a major Korean bank has got to be smarter right?
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To be honest, I've had problems with people posting in SC forums. When SC2 fans come in here supporting Blizzard or some hardcore fans come in here supporting KeSPA, I don't mind the discussion. However, I don't like the ignorance from both sides.
Waxangel: First would only work if Korean government/laws backs KeSPA. I see that latter is more highly likely.
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On October 14 2010 00:21 Milkis wrote:
tbh announcing the move is a bad move on KeSPA's part. I don't know what they're scheming but seriously I hope it's not the "like we can't beat some game company in court" attitude they're rumored to have.
I want to know what Shinhan is thinking.
That attitude is my biggest problem with Kespa. I do not think it is a rumor at this stage because they seem to want the fight in court by their actions. I am also worried about the sponsors.
I so wish I knew what Gretech was asking for in these negotiations. If it is reasonable or not. We need that information to judge the motives of both parties. I do not understand how people are so willing to rush to decide who is at fault with little to no facts.
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On October 14 2010 00:24 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 00:21 Milkis wrote:On October 14 2010 00:15 Waxangel wrote:On October 14 2010 00:12 supernovamaniac wrote:
If my pro-KeSPA speculations are true, then Gretech probably delayed the negotiations up until this point where they can basically 'pull out' of the negotiations in a favorable fashion without making fans think that Gretech wants to kill-off BW
I'm not saying that this is the case (my views are neutral in this case), but it is a probability. If we had to speculate about Gretech's motives, I think it's more plausible to say they want KeSPA and MBCGame to die, but not BW as a whole. They successfully negotiated with OGN for the OSL last season, which shows they don't mind BW tournaments. I'm curious as to what specific demands on either side caused the MBCGame and KeSPA negotiation failures, however. Without Proleague, Starleagues will die. Killing KeSPA *is* killing BW as a whole in the long run. I would say both motives brought up here is wrong. I'm not defending either party at this point, however. tbh announcing the move is a bad move on KeSPA's part. I don't know what they're scheming but seriously I hope it's not the "like we can't beat some game company in court" attitude they're rumored to have. I want to know what Shinhan is thinking. What else could it be, other than they convinced Shinhan Bank that they're gonna wipe the floor with Blizzard in court, or at least be able to drag it out for longer than a season?
Even if they convinced Shinhan bank they're gonna wipe the floor with Blizzard, it still looks bad to host an "illegal" league. I really, really don't know what's going on, but I'm sure there are some intricate calculations involved by KeSPA overall -_-
i really hope it isn't as simple as "dur dur lets kill'em in court"
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On October 14 2010 00:25 supernovamaniac wrote:
Waxangel: First would only work if Korean government/laws backs KeSPA. I see that latter is more highly likely.
That's what I assume right now. That the KeSPA lawyers showed Shinhan that they have a very solid case against Gretech, or that KeSPA told them they have some government shit in their pocket.
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dang can somebody make a documentary or even a movie about this?? its getting really intense!! but seriously though, i dont get the deal about gretech. is it about the money? or the air times. if its the latter why dont they do what OGN and MBC did and start their own channel in Korea so they wont need to push BW away. or just patch BW fixing Windows Vista/7 glitches so that they get more profit.
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On October 14 2010 00:10 konadora wrote:
where is phoenix wright, we need this dude.
Unless of course, Gretech is the defense. Then, Kespa is doomed. :p
Either way, this is really sad. Maybe, just MAYBE, details of the negotiations may be leaked? I know one of the KT Coaches did comment about "the upsetting nature" of the negotiations between the two parties. I really want to know how bad the debates must have been for him to even state that.
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On October 14 2010 00:28 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 00:25 supernovamaniac wrote:
Waxangel: First would only work if Korean government/laws backs KeSPA. I see that latter is more highly likely. That's what I assume right now. That the KeSPA lawyers showed Shinhan that they have a very solid case against Gretech, or that KeSPA told them they have some government shit in their pocket.
Also, I don't think a bank company like Shinhan is THAT stupid enough to fall into some tricks, so they must have a good foundation.
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Ugh, I was hoping the PL announcement would mean that they had agreed on the terms. -__- This shit is really bringing me down.
Why can't they just get along and let SC2 and BW co-exist happily? Why does everyone have to be so greedy?
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Finally ! I was geting sick of all the negotiations and rumors .
On October 14 2010 00:15 Waxangel wrote:
If we had to speculate about Gretech's motives, I think it's more plausible to say they want KeSPA and MBCGame to die, but not BW as a whole. They successfully negotiated with OGN for the OSL last season, which shows they don't mind BW tournaments. I'm curious as to what specific demands on either side caused the MBCGame and KeSPA negotiation failures, however.
But how will there be OSL without Proleague ? Kespa is owning all the proteams . If Kespa dies there goes the salaries of hundreds of progamers and thousands of people lose their jobs . BW scene will lower itself to the level of the SC2 scene which is like 10 years of devolution . Well not that i'm surprised it's basically what Blizzard and Gretech wants ...
The fact that Shinhan Bank agreed to sponsor Proleague again this year makes me think that Kespa knows what they're doing .
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Well, it's all down to watching the show unfold now. I wish they could co-exist but it's obviously not happening under two different organizations. Sucks they couldn't come to an agreement.
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Does anyone have any estimates on how long this case should last considering the situation?
Because I really think KeSPA will appeal it's way to the top court and try to change the law if it really has to(I'm assuming Korean judicial is similar to US, if anyone knows otherwise please correct me).
This was inevitable, I truly saw no resolution outside of court for this issue because they both seemed to be pretty adamant about their demands.
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lol this is becoming a huge joke
KeSPA needs to stop doing dumb shit like this, and Gretech needs to stop acting like little kids.. this shit was announced before oct 13th. Seems to me they're just trying to look for an excuse to kill off KeSPA
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