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On October 14 2010 06:00 Rekrul wrote:2 gladiators in the colloseum they don't want to fight to the death but circumstances have led to the fact that they must blizzard will win, but not without wounds though in the end, they will have the glory
Gladiators didn't actually fight to the death (most of the time, at least). It's a popular misconception.
Anyway, I hope Blizzard gets devastated (be it by the Korean government shutting down SC2 or in court). I lost all my respect for them. Not going to buy any game from them anymore, unless it's another copy of BW.
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yea, i doubt kespa can get away with this. If only blizzard could let it go that would be better. It seems that kespa is better at doing head banging contest.
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This is unbelievable, I fail to see how gretech would gain anything by killing PL and MSL.
Unless they see BW in Korea as sheep movement, 1 digit IQ kids who will buy anything once they can't be entertained by what they used to be.
And this makes me really curious what were the demands that both sides couldn't agree on.
Proleague's weekly schedule?
I hope kespa couldn't wait any longer and is still going for at least settlement in court and not just an all in, we win or we die. Or just blizzard's and later gretech's demands were ridiculous enough to be used by kespa in court.
I can't believe it has come to this.
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Can someone explain why they think anyone is trying to kill BW?
Lets say Blizzard was the one trying to kill BW. Why? For SC2? It feels like this situation is the same as Diablo 2 when WoW and WoW expansions came out. Why would Blizzard keep releasing content patches for D2, running new ladder seasons etc, when they wanted it to die? If they wanted to make people lose interest in D2, then buy WoW, they'd cut support and stop doing seasons. But they didn't do that.
Lets say Gretech wants to keep BW. Why? Since they have exclusive rights to Blizzard stuff, BW having a pro-scene can make them money. They are fighting for a product, not trying to eliminate the product completely. There is money to be made for them.
I just don't see why either would be trying to kill BW  Please elaborate!
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On October 14 2010 06:00 Rekrul wrote:2 gladiators in the colloseum they don't want to fight to the death but circumstances have led to the fact that they must blizzard will win, but not without wounds though in the end, they will have the glory
Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On October 14 2010 03:26 infinity2k9 wrote:
The court case will be interesting. I think the fact Blizzard unofficially authorized the scene for years and benefited from its publicity, only to coincidentally change their minds right near the SC2 announcement will be a major point in court.
A very good point, i think that will be brought up in court too.
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On October 14 2010 06:08 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 06:00 Rekrul wrote:On October 14 2010 05:55 Tien wrote:
Nobody wins. 2 gladiators in the colloseum they don't want to fight to the death but circumstances have led to the fact that they must blizzard will win, but not without wounds though in the end, they will have the glory Gladiators didn't actually fight to the death (most of the time, at least). It's a popular misconception. Anyway, I hope Blizzard gets devastated (be it by the Korean government shutting down SC2 or in court). I lost all my respect for them. Not going to buy any game from them anymore, unless it's another copy of BW.
So much hate for Blizzard its disgusting. Look in the mirror man. They made the game you enjoy so much and has had its grip on Korea and yourselves since forever. Now when they demand rights to the game THEY MADE, their the bad people? We have no idea what is being demanded by either side but I highly doubt Blizzard just wants to kill BW. They are probably just looking for SC2 to be on more prime time air times. But even that could be wrong. We have no idea as to what is going on behind the scenes. And KeSPA is breaking the law without rights to broadcast BW. JUST BECAUSE THEY WON'T NEGOTIATE.
I'm tired of reading these hate posts from each side. It is a never ending cycle cause some people on each side can just not accept the other. And I'm pretty sure its the BW side towards SC2 since most people bashing the hell out of it are BW fanatics. This just leads to a much more split community which is never good. I want both games to thrive but this entire community is just splitting itself up because a few people are flinging poo at each other. Its disgusting. Grow up.
KeSPA should negotiate.
EDIT: Also really doubt Blizzard is just now confronting them with IP rights. And if you think it just magically started with the release of SC2. Links to actual articles please.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On October 14 2010 06:21 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 03:26 infinity2k9 wrote:
The court case will be interesting. I think the fact Blizzard unofficially authorized the scene for years and benefited from its publicity, only to coincidentally change their minds right near the SC2 announcement will be a major point in court. A very good point, i think that will be brought up in court too.
yeah, i guess it will...
if kespa intends on commiting perjury lol
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Regardless, I can't wait to see all the juicy little details that come out from any trial.
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I really hope it comes down to legal action, and that Gretech gets crushed in court. People who are saying that this is a sad development seem to be forgetting that Gretech's role is to enforce Blizzard's stranglehold on the Korean Starcraft community.
In the long run, there's no way to have a healthy progamer scene if constant negotiations are required with people like these. The Broodwar community doesn't need Blizzard, but it does need Kespa, OGN and MBC.
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Goodluck Kespa but your not going to win in Court. Don't underestimate Blizzard.
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I have to laugh at those that think Blizzard just "magically" woke up a year before SC2 was to be released and started to want to get paid for Starcraft being used in a profitable way in Korea. The most hilarious thing that could happen with this going to court is Blizzard winning the ruling and then Kespa being forced to pay the IP rights for the past 10 years of televising Starcraft. That's really the worst case scenario for Kespa.
I don't care whose side you're on, but the truth of the matter is that Starcraft is Blizzard's game and they have the right to license it however and to whomever they want for whatever amount of money they seem fit. Right or wrong it's their right. NO ONE has the right to ignore them and then use their product for profit. That's not how things work in the real world.
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I hate this drama, but honestly, I hope to GOD Kespa wins. I understand Blizzard is entitled to its say over its own products, but I'm weighing the consequences here just as a SCBW lover.
Kespa wins:
Blizzard loses IP rights in Korea, Koreans continue playing a 10+ yr old game that virtually no countries care about.
Blizzard loses potential profits off of Proleague and other starleagues, which they never really had anyway for the past 10 years.
Blizzard loses face for losing to Korea and their stock drops marginally, since SC2 is infinitely more profitable.
Gretech loses its new-found position as being the SCBW representative in Korea and reverts to SC2.
Blizzard "loses" an administrative grip on the progaming scene in korea, which it never had anyway.
Blizzard wins:
No Proleague
Teams all disband or slowly whittle out
Corporate interest falls due to falling TV rates
Pay cuts for all progamers and coaches
All top (and lower) progamers retire or move to SC2
No more SCBW progaming scene
Legacy of Boxer, Yellow, Reach, Oov, Nada, July, ____, Jaedong, Flash, all slowly forgotten
A decade of insane research and strategy analysis lost
The original fire, flame, kindle of TL
lost forever
*cry*
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The only thing I find surprising is that this was not solved months ago. My conclusion is that kespa never had the intention to make a deal. There has been ample time, so if this had any chance of happening, it should have happened a long time ago.
This is obviously just speculation, but I still find it somewhat shocking. A professional organisation banking its existence on a foreign companies ability to enforce IP rights just doesnt make sense.
Something is rotten in Denmark.
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I'm finding it weird as well that this has taken so damn long to reach closure. If nothing else they've really worked on making this as complicated as possible. And by that I'm referring to both Blizzard and Kespa.
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Cant Gretech/Blizzard stop the Proleague with a cease and desist order if some judge grants them that? Dont know Korean justice system but as a western country Id imagine they have something like that.
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This will get ugly.
Brood War will end in a bang.
It's death throes will sting.
What can players think?
How can they go into this?
They must sense the storm.
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If Blizzard wanted SC BW dead, they could've simply shut down the b.net support for it and stop carry about patching it up.
Blizzard CARES. That's why they still have Diablo I servers up and running, even thou the game is much older then SC BW. WC2 b.net edition anyone ?
It's not a case of "killing the game". I believe Proleague and all the other SC BW tournaments that we've enjoyed so far, can continue to exist in the future. For me, the perfect day starts with catching up the latest SC BW games before lunch and watching the SC2 action after lunch. I hope this can continue for many years to come.
Call me a "blizz-boy" or whatever, but I'm sticking with them. IP rights are something very sensitive and KeSPA so far acted like they're North Koreans - disrespecting other laws, but their own - in many situation. The fact that no new faces are flowing into the old SC BW teams, is not because SC2 is more profitable, but because everyone there realized what pain in the ass is to be a B-team player. And if you all recall the "rigged matches" action that happened not long ago, KeSPA actually DID know about it, months before the investigation started, but did nothing.
None of the SC BW legacy will be forgotten ! Never ! All the good and the bad memories will stay on. As long as there's TeamLiquid.NET that is. Coz I'm not sure about Blizzard staying alive, after they've merged with such a crappy company as Activision that cares only about profit.
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United States33708 Posts
On October 14 2010 06:28 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 06:21 Kennigit wrote:On October 14 2010 03:26 infinity2k9 wrote:
The court case will be interesting. I think the fact Blizzard unofficially authorized the scene for years and benefited from its publicity, only to coincidentally change their minds right near the SC2 announcement will be a major point in court. A very good point, i think that will be brought up in court too. yeah, i guess it will... if kespa intends on commiting perjury lol
Even by Blizzard's account, there were no actual face to face negotiations until this year.
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Kespa dug its own grave, in hopes the sound of crying children would halt its inevitable death
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