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Regarding the situation, KeSPA stated "It was not proper etiquette for Gretech to send us a final notice only days before our scheduled opening day. Many players and fans are awaiting the Proleague, and we cannot push back its start. We will continue to try and negotiate afterwards."
Wasn't the whole deal that Gretech wouldn't let KeSPA host their own Proleague? And that's what Gretech has been stressing this entire time but KeSPA went ahead and did it anyway? If so, how does Gretech not have proper etiquette? /confused
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On October 14 2010 07:33 Zato-1 wrote:
For what it's worth, Blizzard has my full support on this one. In my experience as their customer, they're exceedingly fair as long as you play by the rules and don't go around being a total dick (hacking, selling WoW gold, etc). KeSPA have behaved like total dicks towards Blizzard throughout their negotiations these last 3 or so years; Blizzard decides to play hardball and enforce its IP rights; KeSPA thinks they're above the law and don't need no stinking IP rights. Power to Blizzard.
Don't know enough about Gretech, so I have no strong opinion on them or their role.
Completely agree with this. As someone who has played virtually every Blizzard game on release or soon after they have never acted in a way other than "We make good games - enjoy". They respond to the community and I've always had complaints (eg. hacked WoW account) dealy with fairly and quickly.
On topic, I'm starting to think it doesn't matter what the result of this negotiation/courtcase/whatever's gonna happen now. Both sides are probably a bit in the wrong and nobody really knows the full extent of whats happening. Because of the uncertainty, teams are without b-teamers and no kids are picking up BW. Without Bteamers and new talent, the BW proscene will die. It think it is inevitable.
Whether SC2 can build its own legacy to rival BW is another matter entirely...
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any cuss in entire world cannot describe how awful this situation for fan is.
Really frustrating and annoying. They should stop to bitching each other about how righteous they are and seal the deal.
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lol I can't believe that someone actually falls into KeSPA's media control, making Gretech look like an asshole. No.
When OGN/MG had their own leagues, they were in contact with Blizzard and Blizzard asked for nothing. Then KeSPA, who 'threatened' OGN/MG to pay them nearly $1.2million to broadcast 'proleague' on their program, offered Gretech with 0.3million to use SC1 copyright. Yes, Gretech couldve just accepted it regarding that Gretech didn't pay Blizzard a single penny, but I guess they are in revenge for what KeSPA has done to their league. (For those who didn't know, KeSPA told their teams not to compete in GOM's Classic League. Totally shutting down in the middle of a season)
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On October 14 2010 00:02 _awake_ wrote:
Gretech are the bad guys here. Is anyone still not convinced they want to kill BW?
They have the rights from BLIZZARD. If anyone's to blame, it's Blizzard. How can they not want the thing they are legally entitled to? It would be like if you won the lottery, and somehow you're the bad guy for filing for the money.
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is it me or does this seem like activision is trying to force sc2 to be more successfull by killing bw and "forcing" kespa to go to sc2? they have the infrastructure and logistics to run proleague? why not with sc2 which will result in more $$$ for activison o.0
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On October 14 2010 08:42 EezYBasH wrote:
is it me or does this seem like activision is trying to force sc2 to be more successfull by killing bw and "forcing" kespa to go to sc2? they have the infrastructure and logistics to run proleague? why not with sc2 which will result in more $$$ for activison o.0
I don't really see it that way. KESPA announced that they would broadcast something that they had no right to broadcast. Regardless of what Blizzard is trying to do, KESPA is trying to force the negations and make Gretech look like the villain for taking what they have the rights to.
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Everythings back to normal. YAY
Kespa charges OGN MBC to run star league
Blizzard, the developer and distributor of starcraft makes 0$
That is what the people who are defending kespa want right?
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Final Notice of what?
They keep saying this but what they hell is the final notice?
On October 14 2010 08:48 stangstang wrote:
Everythings back to normal. YAY
Kespa charges OGN MBC to run star league
Blizzard, the developer and distributor of starcraft makes 0$
That is what the people who are defending kespa want right?
Nope...HanbitSoft was the Korean distributor of Starcraft.
No one should post in these threads, they're god awful filled to the brim of fanboys of corporations (lmao) who don't know anything about the situation. We still don't know shit about the situation so there can only be speculation no its pretty much worthless as a whole.
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On October 14 2010 08:49 Womwomwom wrote:Final Notice of what? They keep saying this but what they hell is the final notice? Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 08:48 stangstang wrote:
Everythings back to normal. YAY
Kespa charges OGN MBC to run star league
Blizzard, the developer and distributor of starcraft makes 0$
That is what the people who are defending kespa want right?
Nope...HanbitSoft was the Korean distributor of Starcraft. No one should post in these threads, they're god awful filled to the brim of fanboys of corporations (lmao) who don't know anything about the situation. We still don't know shit about the situation so there can only be speculation no its pretty much worthless as a whole.
Agreed, Blizz fanboyism. Only a court ruling in favor of Kespa can shut them up now. But I have a feeling that they'll still find some way to bash Kespa.
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On October 14 2010 08:42 EezYBasH wrote:
is it me or does this seem like activision is trying to force sc2 to be more successfull by killing bw and "forcing" kespa to go to sc2? they have the infrastructure and logistics to run proleague? why not with sc2 which will result in more $$$ for activison o.0
If anything, they want to boost sales of SC2 by killing competition. Completely disregarding if it's as good for spectators as BW.
Question is are they that confident there is enough dumb Koreans to make them interested enough in SC2 in this way, to buy it? It's not cheap over there too, afaik 80$?
And is bad marketing they get by doing it, and court costs (if this will end in court) really worth it?
If people don't buy SC2 now then they probably will do it later. What I mean is any profit is virtual, it's more of the same money that would go to Blizz, just later, like the next year. And not more money coming from people who would not buy it at all otherwise.
The game isn't going to just fade away like new Need for Speed or Call of Duty. And once it will start showing signs of fading, Blizz will release expansion pack, there are 2 in plans. And those aren't going to be released any time soon, I read about at least 18 months few days ago.
This. Doesn't. Make. Fucking. Sense.
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On October 14 2010 09:00 zenMaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 08:49 Womwomwom wrote:Final Notice of what? They keep saying this but what they hell is the final notice? On October 14 2010 08:48 stangstang wrote:
Everythings back to normal. YAY
Kespa charges OGN MBC to run star league
Blizzard, the developer and distributor of starcraft makes 0$
That is what the people who are defending kespa want right?
Nope...HanbitSoft was the Korean distributor of Starcraft. No one should post in these threads, they're god awful filled to the brim of fanboys of corporations (lmao) who don't know anything about the situation. We still don't know shit about the situation so there can only be speculation no its pretty much worthless as a whole. Agreed, Blizz fanboyism. Only a court ruling in favor of Kespa can shut them up now. But I have a feeling that they'll still find some way to bash Kespa.
Kespa has been terrible and slowly heading toward killing BW for 3 years unfortunately. all sc2 did was give people a lifeboat before the ship sank because of a steering error by the people at the helm.Sound Familiar?
This was going to happen, unfortunately both sides want control of the starcraft scene in korea. and neither is willing to put up with the other for their own reasons, Kespa's greed and pride. Gretech's entitlement and pride.
The hate on sc2 should stop though. because people hating on sc2 is only causing sc2 fans who don't know/enjoy the BW scene to hate the BW scene in return. and that kind of divide in a community about all starcraft e sports is bad.
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On October 14 2010 09:00 zenMaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 08:49 Womwomwom wrote:Final Notice of what? They keep saying this but what they hell is the final notice? On October 14 2010 08:48 stangstang wrote:
Everythings back to normal. YAY
Kespa charges OGN MBC to run star league
Blizzard, the developer and distributor of starcraft makes 0$
That is what the people who are defending kespa want right?
Nope...HanbitSoft was the Korean distributor of Starcraft. No one should post in these threads, they're god awful filled to the brim of fanboys of corporations (lmao) who don't know anything about the situation. We still don't know shit about the situation so there can only be speculation no its pretty much worthless as a whole. Agreed, Blizz fanboyism. Only a court ruling in favor of Kespa can shut them up now. But I have a feeling that they'll still find some way to bash Kespa.
No both sides don't know shit all. Between the stuff the KT coach has said, the official "press releases", and Gretech not accepting Kespa's fairly generous offer who the bloody knows what has actually happened because they've fucked around and flailed around in the water for so long that the water is now completely brown.
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It seems clear to me that Gretech is more than FINE with BW continuing on, but they don't want it to compete for their own timeslot for the GSL. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to ask - they want the opportunity for BOTH GAMES to have the SAME FANS, rather than splitting the fan base between the two. If the timeslot issue was their primary demand, they're not "evil bad guys" they're just a corporation using their own rights to act on their own interests. Welcome to capitalism, this is how it works.
Edit: Any confirmation on the timeslot issue being in the negotiations? It makes sense, but don't have a source.
Honestly, stop trying to paint either side as a saint or demon, and let's bring a lot more FACTS to the table please?
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how in the hell is .3 million paid when they charged 1.2 million to each league 'generous offer'.
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On October 14 2010 09:00 zenMaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 08:49 Womwomwom wrote:Final Notice of what? They keep saying this but what they hell is the final notice? On October 14 2010 08:48 stangstang wrote:
Everythings back to normal. YAY
Kespa charges OGN MBC to run star league
Blizzard, the developer and distributor of starcraft makes 0$
That is what the people who are defending kespa want right?
Nope...HanbitSoft was the Korean distributor of Starcraft. No one should post in these threads, they're god awful filled to the brim of fanboys of corporations (lmao) who don't know anything about the situation. We still don't know shit about the situation so there can only be speculation no its pretty much worthless as a whole. Agreed, Blizz fanboyism. Only a court ruling in favor of Kespa can shut them up now. But I have a feeling that they'll still find some way to bash Kespa.
Yep, I'm a blizzard fanboy. I admit it. What can I say? I just love the amazing games they make. I'm a sucker for good games. my bad.
Go on saying Blizzard is trying to kill the game they created. Kespa is charging OGN and MBC for the rights to broadcast starcraft when they don't even have the rights. Surely the courts will rule in favor of kespa.
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well in a way i'll be glad if they bring it to court ... we have been following this stupid negotiation for so long and chances that it's not ending well anyway ... might as well get it over with asap ...
i want kespa to win not because i support what they are doing, but so that i can still watch BW again ... no kespa = no more BW ...
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Quick summary of the 3 companies' plan:
Kespa: If we just start pro-league, there will be too many people watching that they can't shut us down without bad publicity and that bad publicity will take them out too! YAY!!
Gretech: We have supporting documents that gives us exclusive broadcasting rights! We can't lose in court!
Blizzard: Why are people still bringing us to this discussion? I thought we settled our IP right issue by giving exclusive rights to Gretech who are willing to 'respect' our IP and follow our direction.
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On October 14 2010 09:20 nayumi wrote:
well in a way i'll be glad if they bring it to court ... we have been following this stupid negotiation for so long and chances that it's not ending well anyway ... might as well get it over with asap ...
i want kespa to win not because i support what they are doing, but so that i can still watch BW again ... no kespa = no more BW ...
well kespa won't go away unless they choose to if the courts rule against them. Gretech will just demand their rights be recognised, and kespa chooses to kill BW or acknowledge Gretechs rights allowing BW to continue.
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On October 14 2010 09:14 Kazeyonoma wrote:
how in the hell is .3 million paid when they charged 1.2 million to each league 'generous offer'.
They've also apparently offered Gretech the rights to air Brood War games played, which I think is worth far more than the money being thrown around.
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