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Mr_Kzimir
France268 Posts
Proxy gate + probe harass on your scv which is building that damn supply is gonna be really annoying to deal with. Not impossible , just annoying. This change mostly prohibit terran to build depot at a choke. I guess we'll have to proxy our 1st depot then. | ||
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Zvendetta
United States321 Posts
Why are people saying the 5RR will be dead? Somebody explain the logic to me- The blizzard note doesn't say that this will need to be researched, they flat up say "We're increasing roach range. This will allow roaches to be more effective in large groups, giving the zerg more options in the mid to end game." I took this as roaches will be getting an inherent range upgrade. I like it, roaches didn't feel much like a ranged unit, even though I love my range upgrades for them. Zerg will now have a reasonable chance against terran mech. Thor tank just annihilates anything the zerg has. And of course, if there's a roach buff, than that means--> hydras would become viable in ZvT!!! Maybe, we'll have to wait. I think that would diversify the MU so much more. | ||
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tGhOeOoDry
United States48 Posts
Roach range: huge help against reapers, hellions, and sentries. I think I would have preferred a little backtracking on some of the beta changes, but this is a small change that I like. Side note: they mention increasing late-game options, but I see this as more help in the early game. Maybe I'm wrong? Fungal Growth: Surprised it didn't prevent blink before, since blink is movement, really. Good call. Barracks: I have no idea what effect this will have on gameplay. Cheese is still possible, apparently (HUGE thanks to EnderCN), but more all-in. Hard to argue with that. It reduces flexibility, but Terran was already the most flexible, so....it's a big change, but it's hard for me to come up with concrete, empirically-backed reasons to say it's a bad idea. Reaper speed: The roach and barracks change both made reapers less powerful...but this seals the deal. I can't picture reapers being used after this. Perhaps the game will evolve to the point where a reaper backstab becomes a viable part of Terran mid/late game play? I don't yet know. Drastic change that makes me apprehensive. Zerg buildings: This helps greatly against medivac drops, but watching Fruitdealer beat Rainbow helps a lot more  . | ||
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Yggdrasill
France6 Posts
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:37 Mr_Kzimir wrote: You guys need to realize that it's not only about zergs vs terran. Proxy gate + probe harass on your scv which is building that damn supply is gonna be really annoying to deal with. Not impossible , just annoying. This change mostly prohibit terran to build depot at a choke. I guess we'll have to proxy our 1st depot then. Build it in his mineral line, then lower/raise it constantly to distract him. =] | ||
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Nokeboy
United States1009 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:37 MythicalMage wrote: The thought is, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, that you won't have the units to stop it or some such. SCVs can repair, and 6 zerglings (as a zerg player), take a very long time to kill the wall considering maybe 2 or 3 zergs can hit. I think 1 SCV can repair the damage taken by 2 zerglings. | ||
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Fu[G]u
United States187 Posts
Im pretty sure they dont mean moving the reaper speed upgrade to the factory, just that you have to have a factory before u can upgrade it at the barracks. Not that it really matters but i feel some people are interpreting the changes wrong.... | ||
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torq
United States44 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:35 kojinshugi wrote: Do you "realized" that the second and third and fourth and so on raxes aren't affected? Do you "realized" that no one in their right mind says Gateway build time includes Pylon build time? no shit the subsequent rax arent affected you halfwit tard, terran early all-ins usually require more than 1 rax and that means give the rax a longer build time would be a better nerf and without breaking terran mechanics. wtf gateway pylon reference? what the fuck is wrong with you why does that have anything to do with this you stupid estonian poor fag User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Roaches don't need range increase, they need supply and stats decrease (both of them). Terran doesn't need gimped barracks, they need gimped bio (mostly marauders). The only changes that they said they'll do that I even semi-agree with is Zerg building hp+ and maybe nitro pack nerf. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:32 ComusLoM wrote: Increasing Roach range is going decimate the pvz matchup unless it's just to 3.5. Looking forward to seeing how this goes. i dunno because at the top level alot of the Z pros feel that PvZ is imbalanced in favor of P so decimating the imbalance at the top seems good to me. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:32 Pekkz wrote: Go watch tarson vs mardow. Tarson went for 10 supply and gass before rax. STILL he held off 6 pool 2 times in a row. 6 pool vs terran isnt a viable option e v e r. Only against 14 CC | ||
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
(the more I think about it even stalker/immortal is to similar to the 2 mentioned combos. I dont know how to explain what I mean but in sc1 you had MM(+F) against lurker/ling for example. Marines are ranged and zerglings melee and firebat is melee with splash and lurker has splash but ranged and the splash weas in a line.It were just 2 different armys and sc2 feels more like mirror combination of each other. The depot/rax change seems just stupid, without the fear of of maybe getting 9 raxed, a zerg can just get totally greedy and a Z FE > T FE. I mean the time the terran gets enough scvs out of his 2 CCs/OCs to benefit or to have his minerallines saturated the Z will have 2 fully running bases AND an army ready AND a 3rd base in building. In TvP this will make proxygates extremely strong again. I opened 9 rax on nearly every 1v1 map since beta cause of the proxygates and now? even if I scout it I cant just throw down a 9 rax to defend I have to finish/start that supply. seems pretty stupid for me. | ||
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SC2Syndicate
United States134 Posts
Zerg vs terran was actually balanced b4 the reaper nerf... except zerg players afk blogged Blizzard after every loss. With this next nerf I'm probably switching to protoss. Terran is becoming UP. | ||
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numberThirtyOne
United States294 Posts
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r3z3nd3
Brazil522 Posts
I really like the changes on the roach, but I still think that the Overlord need base speed increased =/ | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:39 Nokeboy wrote: SCVs can repair, and 6 zerglings (as a zerg player), take a very long time to kill the wall considering maybe 2 or 3 zergs can hit. I think 1 SCV can repair the damage taken by 2 zerglings. 2 SCVs on autorepair with 1 marine can kill all 6 lings. 6 pool is pretty much a joke vs terran, as long as you scout it before it hits you and start the second depot. | ||
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:39 Nokeboy wrote: SCVs can repair, and 6 zerglings (as a zerg player), take a very long time to kill the wall considering maybe 2 or 3 zergs can hit. I think 1 SCV can repair the damage taken by 2 zerglings. Well, perhaps killing the worker that's building the barracks? That's my biggest fear, and vulnerability when defending a six pool. And combined with drone harass, a later rax could be quite effective. | ||
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Gecko
United States519 Posts
if this is true then protoss macro builds just got a whole lot easierr in PvT  | ||
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Teddyman
Finland362 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:35 iEchoic wrote: A competitive game like SC2 shouldn't be balanced around team Yeah no way people would ever consider 2v2 worth playing competitively. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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