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JQL
Profile Joined July 2010
United States214 Posts
October 07 2010 20:49 GMT
#1121
This patch is going to be great.
no way
HomicidaL
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States283 Posts
October 07 2010 20:49 GMT
#1122
On October 08 2010 05:41 Raiden X wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 05:32 Pekkz wrote:
On October 08 2010 04:48 The6357 wrote:
lol how is terran going to stop 6pool? all I wanted was a little bit of firebear nerf...


Go watch tarson vs mardow. Tarson went for 10 supply and gass before rax. STILL he held off 6 pool 2 times in a row. 6 pool vs terran isnt a viable option e v e r.


Only against 14 CC



is there a link for the tarson vs morrow games, Im a zerg player and have trouble with 6pool but I would like to see how a terran handles one...ty (sorry off topic)
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
October 07 2010 20:50 GMT
#1123
On October 08 2010 05:48 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
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On October 08 2010 05:46 Hider wrote:
Terrible changes really. Reaper will now be a complete hopless unit in all situations. No idea wtf blizzard were thinking in the designing that unit.


That is the entire point, Reaper shouldn't even be in the game at all, though Terran can still build one for scouting purposes, that is assuming they even need to scout.

I love how all of a sudden everyone is a game designer. And I don't like useless units. What if all of a sudden a zerg unit was completely useless EVERYWHERE?
Tiorda
Profile Joined May 2010
United States91 Posts
October 07 2010 20:50 GMT
#1124
I like that they're finally ironing out the TvZ balance and as a Zerg player I think they're going a little overboard to fix TvZ. The Roach change and maybe the factory change for reaper speed would have been plenty. The supply depot requirement compeltely screws things up imo, that wasn't necessary.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 07 2010 20:50 GMT
#1125
On October 08 2010 05:47 torq wrote:
blizz even says in the post that the reaper change has something to do with team games. If blizz starts to balance the shit around team games there is seriously something going wrong internally for them.


Have you not read a single SC2 forum in the past 2 months?

Nerfing early reapers is most certainly a change that has 1v1 in mind.
whatsgrackalackin420
Mutaahh
Profile Joined June 2007
Netherlands859 Posts
October 07 2010 20:51 GMT
#1126
reapers own zerglings and banelings right?

ever tried to use reapers vs muta/bling/speedlings?
I want to fly
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
October 07 2010 20:51 GMT
#1127
On October 08 2010 05:50 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 05:47 torq wrote:
blizz even says in the post that the reaper change has something to do with team games. If blizz starts to balance the shit around team games there is seriously something going wrong internally for them.


Have you not read a single SC2 forum in the past 2 months?

Nerfing early reapers is most certainly a change that has 1v1 in mind.

Except after the reaper nerf, they became scarcely used. . .
s2pid_loser
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
October 07 2010 20:51 GMT
#1128
awesome!!
Et Ducit Mundum Per Luce
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 20:53:11
October 07 2010 20:52 GMT
#1129
On October 08 2010 05:50 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 05:48 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
On October 08 2010 05:46 Hider wrote:
Terrible changes really. Reaper will now be a complete hopless unit in all situations. No idea wtf blizzard were thinking in the designing that unit.


That is the entire point, Reaper shouldn't even be in the game at all, though Terran can still build one for scouting purposes, that is assuming they even need to scout.

I love how all of a sudden everyone is a game designer. And I don't like useless units. What if all of a sudden a zerg unit was completely useless EVERYWHERE?

Reaper is not useless. If you scout with a reaper you basically save a mule. You maybe delay a unit for alittle bit, but you lost some gas but gain 300 minerals. Unless of course you don't like scouting, then maybe it is a useless unit.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 07 2010 20:52 GMT
#1130
Someone here had an interesting point, they are nerfing alot of the micro = godly units and strategies before boxer steps into tournaments. interesting...
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
October 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#1131
WOW, what an amazing patch. The only downside I see here is that the opportunity cost for getting hydras has increased with the roach buff. Hydras are the unit that most needed the buff, imo. Still, these changes are really going to put zerg in the running.
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
October 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#1132
On October 08 2010 05:49 HomicidaL wrote:
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On October 08 2010 05:41 Raiden X wrote:
On October 08 2010 05:32 Pekkz wrote:
On October 08 2010 04:48 The6357 wrote:
lol how is terran going to stop 6pool? all I wanted was a little bit of firebear nerf...


Go watch tarson vs mardow. Tarson went for 10 supply and gass before rax. STILL he held off 6 pool 2 times in a row. 6 pool vs terran isnt a viable option e v e r.


Only against 14 CC



is there a link for the tarson vs morrow games, Im a zerg player and have trouble with 6pool but I would like to see how a terran handles one...ty (sorry off topic)


If terran walls off going 10 supply 12 rax 13 gas the lings come by by the time the wall is done(unless you suply blocked yourself). Thus any decent Terran should never have an issue with 6 pool unless their screwing up the most basic opener

Keep Practicing. This shouln't be an issue
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MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
October 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#1133
On October 08 2010 05:51 Mutaahh wrote:
reapers own zerglings and banelings right?

ever tried to use reapers vs muta/bling/speedlings?

Not banelings, really. Banelings aren't light, so it takes eight shots to kill a baneling.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
October 07 2010 20:54 GMT
#1134
On October 08 2010 05:46 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 05:43 Pekkz wrote:
On October 08 2010 05:34 MythicalMage wrote:
On October 08 2010 05:32 Pekkz wrote:
On October 08 2010 04:48 The6357 wrote:
lol how is terran going to stop 6pool? all I wanted was a little bit of firebear nerf...


Go watch tarson vs mardow. Tarson went for 10 supply and gass before rax. STILL he held off 6 pool 2 times in a row. 6 pool vs terran isnt a viable option e v e r.

You forgot the most important detail in that. What was the map?


Close spawn on Delta q, and 7 cloak vs 11 cloak on metalop.

Six/seven pooling on a four player map is a bad idea. >.> Delta maybe, but it's still super risky. On Metal, you're hoping you're in close positions, or it doesn't work.


I tried to say that 6 pool doesnt work at all. Tarson went for slow rax after depot+gass, and was still able to hold of mardows 6 pool really easy.
marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
October 07 2010 20:54 GMT
#1135
lol if T has an advantage over Z because of a greater variability in strategies its definitely not the solution to shut out strategies for T...and at a lower level these changes are not gonna matter at all anyway
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
October 07 2010 20:55 GMT
#1136
On October 08 2010 05:52 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 05:50 MythicalMage wrote:
On October 08 2010 05:48 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
On October 08 2010 05:46 Hider wrote:
Terrible changes really. Reaper will now be a complete hopless unit in all situations. No idea wtf blizzard were thinking in the designing that unit.


That is the entire point, Reaper shouldn't even be in the game at all, though Terran can still build one for scouting purposes, that is assuming they even need to scout.

I love how all of a sudden everyone is a game designer. And I don't like useless units. What if all of a sudden a zerg unit was completely useless EVERYWHERE?

Reaper is not useless. If you scout with a reaper you basically save a mule. You maybe delay a unit for alittle bit, but you lost some gas but gain 300 minerals. Unless of course you don't like scouting, then maybe it is a useless unit.

Or build a rax which actually has health, and costs 150m as opposed to 50/50, and doesn't take build time away from useful units. Even then, I don't like a unit that's ONLY good for scouting.
shtdisturbance
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada613 Posts
October 07 2010 20:55 GMT
#1137
I look at it kind of like the protoss need a pylon to get a gate? The reason people might be mad is because terran have never had to spend 100 minerals before units producing structure.

Also i would have liked a hydra buff more than a roach buff.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
October 07 2010 20:56 GMT
#1138
On October 08 2010 05:53 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 05:51 Mutaahh wrote:
reapers own zerglings and banelings right?

ever tried to use reapers vs muta/bling/speedlings?

Not banelings, really. Banelings aren't light, so it takes eight shots to kill a baneling.

lol no, reapers have "Attacks: 2"
4x2 = 8 dmg per shot to non light units
baneling 30 hp
they kill banelings in 4 shots
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FrostOtter
Profile Joined September 2010
United States537 Posts
October 07 2010 20:56 GMT
#1139
Again, there is the assumption that it is ONLY good for scouting.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 07 2010 20:56 GMT
#1140
On October 08 2010 05:34 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 05:32 Pekkz wrote:
On October 08 2010 04:48 The6357 wrote:
lol how is terran going to stop 6pool? all I wanted was a little bit of firebear nerf...


Go watch tarson vs mardow. Tarson went for 10 supply and gass before rax. STILL he held off 6 pool 2 times in a row. 6 pool vs terran isnt a viable option e v e r.

You forgot the most important detail in that. What was the map?

I'm probably late, but metalopolis, he scouted it 5 seconds before the lings went up his ramp, his first barracks was just started, and he couldn't wall off.
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