EPTBlizzard on 1v1 Balancing and the new patch - Page 58
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us.insurgency
United States330 Posts
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:54 Pekkz wrote: I tried to say that 6 pool doesnt work at all. Tarson went for slow rax after depot+gass, and was still able to hold of mardows 6 pool really easy. Fair enough. Now that I think about it, I've never seen it work vs a Terran who wasn't going something where he didn't wall off. Anyhow, I wasn't trying to argue that point. >.> | ||
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iNty.sCream
Germany195 Posts
go on... also i have to state i would like a hydra buff more too then a roach buff srsly | ||
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:56 us.insurgency wrote: The roach buff is horrible. Now you cant walloff with a cannon because now they can hit the cannon. Roaches are are a 1.5 tier why make them able to be massed late game? They can hit the cannon if their range is only four? I don't believe they specified the range. | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
And it'll take away several strategy options in tvt, basically replacing fast barracks aggressive builds with macro-cheeses which tended to be inviable with the viability of those aggressive barracks first builds. The reaper will basically have no niche to fill in all of sc2. The maurauder will outcompete it at all points in the game =/ Roach range increase might make pvz FE builds a little rockier, but maybe not. It will certainly make them more useful off creep, where they can't move very quickly. Fungal preventing blink seems like a natural extension of fungal's ability to prevent units from entering/leaving dropships, I'm only surprised they're only considering it now. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:56 us.insurgency wrote: The roach buff is horrible. Now you cant walloff with a cannon because now they can hit the cannon. Roaches are are a 1.5 tier why make them able to be massed late game? this is probably the most stupid post ive seen in this thread..and that's saying a lot | ||
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:57 iNty.sCream wrote: i really like this. if this comes along with the chat - channel / esports patch thingy it will be damn nice. stop bitching terrans, that is the first real nerf you receive. changes only the really early game, so dont freak out. its not like a "roach costs 2 supply" nerf go on... also i have to state i would like a hydra buff more too then a roach buff srsly I don't think it's possible to make hydras viable in TvZ without breaking ZvP in the current playstyles, but maybe there's something I'm not thinking of. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:59 MythicalMage wrote: I don't think it's possible to make hydras viable in TvZ without breaking ZvP in the current playstyles, but maybe there's something I'm not thinking of. Ehh make Hydras not be light? | ||
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
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TheFinalWord
Australia790 Posts
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ROOTslush
Canada170 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:56 us.insurgency wrote: The roach buff is horrible. Now you cant walloff with a cannon because now they can hit the cannon. Roaches are are a 1.5 tier why make them able to be massed late game? You could say the same with marauders. | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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Nokeboy
United States1009 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:56 us.insurgency wrote: The roach buff is horrible. Now you cant walloff with a cannon because now they can hit the cannon. Roaches are are a 1.5 tier why make them able to be massed late game? There is no way to counter a ramp wall off with cannon though, at least from what I am seeing. Maybe if you go too far with it and get busted. The whole point of it is to delay the zerg. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
Zerg is getting playable. A small buff to hydra and nerf on inject larva and they will be ok. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
this changes force terran player to fully utilise reaper's mid-end game potential, they ARE a very good units, use them wisely. however i actually prefer if they make armory->allow you to upgrade, caused when we scout a factory early (as we will know probably hellion is coming), now there is another chance that the player may still go reaper (speed). roach speed buff is an awesome news (they are really some mediocre units) while i just hope it is a direct buff rather an actual upgrade option in roach warren lol. | ||
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Cyuss
Germany22 Posts
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:56 us.insurgency wrote: The roach buff is horrible. Now you cant walloff with a cannon because now they can hit the cannon. Roaches are are a 1.5 tier why make them able to be massed late game? Like you can with stalkers? Or Marauders? Or Marines? | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:59 MythicalMage wrote: I don't think it's possible to make hydras viable in TvZ without breaking ZvP in the current playstyles, but maybe there's something I'm not thinking of. I don't understand these claims that Hydra are inviable in ZvT. Artosis and Dimaga have both recently shown us that hydra builds are great against Terran. Check out recent replays from both players. They're going Hydra in almost every game. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
They can hit the cannon if their range is only four? I don't believe they specified the range. At the moment, you can put a gateway, and space a cannon one space away. If the roach attacks the gateway, the roach will be in range of a cannon. However, if the roach tries to attack the cannon, it will just barely not be able to hit it because of the gate in the way. With range 3.5 or 4 this would no longer be the case. On October 08 2010 06:03 Seam wrote: Like you can with stalkers? Or Marauders? Or Marines? Or Zealots? Or Zerglings? Or Banelings? Or Hellions? | ||
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