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Beef Noodles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States937 Posts
October 07 2010 19:03 GMT
#801
I wanted a roach damage nerf and move them back to 1 supply.

I WANT A SWARM!!!!
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
October 07 2010 19:03 GMT
#802
I can't believe that the reaper will be useless. People will adapt and learn how to actually use it instead of blindly rushing for it to crush some zerg. Its a vary map specific unit really, that might explain why people find them useless. But can anyone argue that 50/50 is worse than 400 minerals when scouting your opponents base? Or the scan you need to stop dt's or banshees or burrowed roaches? The reaper will not be useless, but it will be much more like the observer. Until of course people remember it can be an extremely cost efficient harass at any point during the game if used well.
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
Warrice
Profile Joined July 2010
United States565 Posts
October 07 2010 19:03 GMT
#803
Assuming they buff roach range by 1 and thats all, will it be able to deal with pylon blocking without the cannon from being able to hit it?
Hypatio
Profile Joined September 2010
549 Posts
October 07 2010 19:04 GMT
#804
On October 08 2010 03:56 TeWy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 03:49 yups wrote:
I think zerg will be OP efter this.


They already are at the highest level.

Yeah, they're not.
Cika
Profile Joined May 2010
United States29 Posts
October 07 2010 19:04 GMT
#805
I don't see the basis behind the hellion complaints.. Blue flame hellion drop/runbye are still a HUGE concern to the zerg player.

You honestly think a zerg will just make nothing but drones now because of a +1 roach range? Hellions already run by roaches/spines/queens and just roast drones...

Everyone is very quick to make huge sweeping assumptions, think about the openings the zerg has to be worried about before he mindlessly makes drones. +1 roach range does not negate any of those potential insta-losses.
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
October 07 2010 19:04 GMT
#806
On October 08 2010 03:59 eNyoron wrote:
And suddenly every TvT goes 16 CC. Every ZvT 15 hatch, and every PvT 14-16 nex.

Which honestly isn't so bad.


True....FE builds are the norm in BW now but no one complains. Most people agreed that cheese is currently too strong in this game and this patch is making cheese a little weaker. Don't see how that's a negative. Rax first cheese is boring to play against and even more boring to watch. The fact that its out of the game doesn't bother me at all. The only thing that concerns be about the patch is how roach range will affect PvZ early game.
Krayze
Profile Joined May 2009
United States213 Posts
October 07 2010 19:04 GMT
#807
oh my gosh.... That's a lot of zerg buffs. That's great cuz I'm zerg, but I'm not used to being on, dare I say it, fair ground... Hopefully they keep at least a few of these buffs, I like the zerg building hp increase and roach range is great too.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
October 07 2010 19:05 GMT
#808
On October 08 2010 03:59 eNyoron wrote:
And suddenly every TvT goes 16 CC. Every ZvT 15 hatch, and every PvT 14-16 nex.

Which honestly isn't so bad.

Oh god 15 cc TvT is completely legit now wtfwtfwtfwtf
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
October 07 2010 19:05 GMT
#809
I have been waiting for roach buff since their 2 supply nerf. FINALLY BLIZZARD

Supply requirement makes me lol. Guess I'm going to 14hatch every game versus terran
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 07 2010 19:05 GMT
#810
On October 08 2010 04:02 iEchoic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 04:00 Zelniq wrote:it's not like terran doesnt have a million other strong early game openers/harass/aggression/all-ins vs zerg


What other early game aggression is there besides reapers and hellions?


Banshees? Drops?

Guess that depends on your definition of early.
whatsgrackalackin420
QueueQueue
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada1000 Posts
October 07 2010 19:05 GMT
#811
On October 08 2010 03:56 TeWy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 03:49 yups wrote:
I think zerg will be OP efter this.


They already are at the highest level.



Are you kidding? No one is is playing anything at "the highest level" in SC2.
blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
October 07 2010 19:06 GMT
#812
depot before rax???
nitro requiring facs??
there goes my 6 rax reaper hacks
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FrostedMiniWeet
Profile Joined July 2009
United States636 Posts
October 07 2010 19:06 GMT
#813
On October 08 2010 04:01 iEchoic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 03:58 Tachion wrote:
To the people worrying about the hellions vs roach, is a 1 range difference not enough to hit the roaches without being hit back(assuming roach range is changed to 4)? What other units are there that this can even be tested against?


Hellions can very barely do it now. They have a timed animation where they have to stop to fire. Roaches move enough in that duration that they will get a shot off, I'm sure of it.

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On October 08 2010 03:58 Floophead_III wrote:
I just don't see how changing roach range changes anything ZvT. Bunkers and tanks will still outrange roach, and will still be the proper defense. Wallins still will stop them. Marauders don't even need to kite to slaughter roach.


Nobody has a problem killing roaches straight-up lategame, the problem is that there's no way to stop roach pressure now besides very early marauders. You won't be able to kite them to your base and all terran builds will have to be adjusted to have early marauders.


You mean the all-mighty Terran might actually have to react properly to the zerg builds, and can't just do whatever the hell they want without fearing any sort of attack? What is this crazy talk.
numberThirtyOne
Profile Joined March 2008
United States294 Posts
October 07 2010 19:06 GMT
#814
On October 08 2010 02:07 justiceknight wrote:
depot before rax is stupid cos

6pool > you
proxy gate > you
canon rush > you

i dunno what else needed to mention,it makes terran look like protoss race.I thought every race suppose to have a DIFFERENT way of playing,whats with their minds right now???


Huh? Which one of those builds do you counter by going rax first? What terran goes out and scouts before depot so they can tell if they should go rax first? All 3 of those cheeses can be held off with depot first.
voIDRAys are the most bm unit in SC2
iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
October 07 2010 19:06 GMT
#815
On October 08 2010 04:05 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 04:02 iEchoic wrote:
On October 08 2010 04:00 Zelniq wrote:it's not like terran doesnt have a million other strong early game openers/harass/aggression/all-ins vs zerg


What other early game aggression is there besides reapers and hellions?


Banshees? Drops?

Guess that depends on your definition of early.


T3 units aren't early aggression lol.
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hangarninetysix
Profile Joined August 2010
263 Posts
October 07 2010 19:06 GMT
#816
Yes to fungal stopping blink

Yes to the structure HP buff

No to supply before barracks

No to reaper speed at factory level

Meh to the extra roach range, I'd rather have had roach -1 supply than +1 roach range but I'll take it
Mezro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15 Posts
October 07 2010 19:07 GMT
#817
Crappy 1200 Zerg player's opinion:
  • Roach range and zerg building health is good. Honestly I've learned to love roaches again, I'm not sure it was necessary.
  • Depot before rax is pretty stupid, as super early pressure was never really a game breaking concern for me.
  • Factory before nitro packs makes reapers basically useless, and I would much rather have conc shells require factory


But let me tell you, these terran tears, oh my god are they delicious.
Lina
Profile Joined September 2010
42 Posts
October 07 2010 19:07 GMT
#818
This has gone way too far. Enough is enough. Everyone stop their QQ and future QQ or we may end up with a ridiculous patch like this.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
October 07 2010 19:08 GMT
#819
Everyone agreed that zerg needed a buff. When actuall changes comes, people start to whine. I think pretty much anything could have been buffed and people would still be outraged.

Reaper is dead. Ok that removes one of 10 openings.
10 rax is dead. Ok that removes two of 10 opening.

So? EVERYONE agreed that terran had too many openings and thats what made them so friggin good.

Roach range is a much needed buff to make something before muta counter mass helllions. You can basicly make only hellions+expand and be safe against anything zerg can do. In addition you allmost allways burn a ton of drones with em aswell.
BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
October 07 2010 19:08 GMT
#820
On October 08 2010 04:02 iEchoic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 04:00 Zelniq wrote:it's not like terran doesnt have a million other strong early game openers/harass/aggression/all-ins vs zerg


What other early game aggression is there besides reapers and hellions?


3rax
hellion/banshee
fast cloak banshee
hellion/marauder
hellion/igniter hellion drop
mass marine
fast viking
turbo-newb (tank drop on cliff)
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