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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
October 07 2010 17:35 GMT
#441
On October 08 2010 02:33 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:
ugh
wtf depot before barracks
wtf.

Yeah it doesn't seem right in the Starcraft universe at all.
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
October 07 2010 17:35 GMT
#442
So, it'll be impossible for Terran to cheese anymore? That's got to be the worst solution to frequent cheesing I've ever seen. I cheese maybe less than 1% of my games, but having that option is necessary to make your opponent aware that even in the early game he's not safe. These are the kinds of things Blizzard comes up with when balancing?

The reaper speed change is truly....ugh. Consider that reapers become absolutely useless after the early stages of the game, and this change would essentially increase the cost for reaper speed by 150/100 + the build time for a factory. Make reapers viable after the early game and I can get behind this. Otherwise just make the upgrade more expensive again and be done with it.
Sup.
Boblhead
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2577 Posts
October 07 2010 17:35 GMT
#443
On October 08 2010 02:34 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 02:32 Boblhead wrote:
On October 08 2010 02:30 Nirano wrote:
I agree with this patch. Zerg was very weak and needed a lot of buffs to keep the game fair. Good work, Blizzard.

3/4ths of players who play zerg don't know how to play well enough, only top zergs idra/fruit/machine just to name a few are actually good with there race unlike scrubs who can't play it without buffs


This is dumb.

Saying "Zerg is balanced, 75% of players need a buff to their personal skill" is like saying "nerf Terrans by disallowing keyboards for T users".


its the truth, if you don't know how to play your race properly, then you cry about it amiright? Oh GAWD I CANT KILL ANYONE WHY WHY WHY?.... If zerg plays properly, which i have faced a couple good ones, then they will wreck you
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
October 07 2010 17:35 GMT
#444
Not a fan of the supply depot requirement for barracks. I play Protoss, but that seems lame and stops some early aggression strategies. I like the reaper nerf and the roach buff will certainly help. I'm a fan of it so far. The blink nerf is nice too. Would be cool to see that in action in a PvZ
Life is Good.
kmkkmk
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany418 Posts
October 07 2010 17:36 GMT
#445
I wish there was some form of "pro only" forum discussing these things, since really most of the post suggest an end of SC II, which I don't believe in. Please create a read only forum which posting privileges for selected people. Please!
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
October 07 2010 17:36 GMT
#446
I have no idea why zerg needs more life on buildings when they can be healed? It costly yes, but so is repair for terran.

Having low life spire gives way to counter it by being offensive etc... I totally agree with roach range though
Kinetic`
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia15 Posts
October 07 2010 17:36 GMT
#447
I guess blizzard doesn't want cheese in this game anymore folks, get ready for some long boring repetitive games.
whomybuddy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States620 Posts
October 07 2010 17:36 GMT
#448
Wonder how 6pool vs terran in small map with this patch.
Roaches all the way way way.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 17:38:08
October 07 2010 17:36 GMT
#449
As a Zerg player, I think the roach buff is extremely stupid... Imagine how this will effect ZvP :/
And the supply depot before barracks. Wtf were they thinking? Also think the reaper speed nerf is the wrong way to go about this. It's not like reapers are OP.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
MegaBUD
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada179 Posts
October 07 2010 17:37 GMT
#450
Well... now everyone have a mothership like unit.

Zerg have the corruptor and now Terran have the reaper!
Nu11
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada167 Posts
October 07 2010 17:37 GMT
#451
On October 08 2010 02:34 NATO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 02:31 snowdrift wrote:
On October 08 2010 02:29 FabledIntegral wrote:
If they really want to make roaches useful mid/late game, make it an UPGRADE not standard 4 range!!!


They already need a speed upgrade, I don't want it to be a crappy unit that needs ten thousand upgrades to be simply decent.


That's how Terran works


incorrect. marauders and marines without stim/conc are still absolutely amazing units. Much, much, much better than un upgraded roaches and zerglings.
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
October 07 2010 17:37 GMT
#452
Can we get the extra hp back on the scvs? After all the whole reason they got nerfed is gone.
Nu11
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada167 Posts
October 07 2010 17:38 GMT
#453
On October 08 2010 02:37 Fraidnot wrote:
Can we get the extra hp back on the scvs? After all the whole reason they got nerfed is gone.


after auto-repair is removed.
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
October 07 2010 17:38 GMT
#454
The Barracks are going to require a Supply Depot, which will impact a lot of early terran reaper pushes.


I had good faith in Blizzard balancing abilities. Yeah, had.

Too bad there isn't an option to return the game and get back money when the developer starts to do stupid shit with said game...
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
October 07 2010 17:38 GMT
#455
this is a pretty crappy patch from the sounds of it.. Terran are gonna be so one-dimensional with needing a supply depot first.. as we saw in the GSL finals, a zerg who went HATCH first can stop a 7rax reaper rush with good micro, so its not impossible =/

Roach range is going to be retardedly strong.. that was their only downside, but now I see every zerg just going mass roach again and it being way more effective. If you watched Root vs EG afew days ago, was it SLush vs Axslav?? Slush just kept getting mass roach, while Axslav had every unit combo except collosus and what won the game? Pure roach. THis was without range, imagine how insane its going to be with range.. Not looking forward to this.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
TurboDreams
Profile Joined April 2009
United States427 Posts
October 07 2010 17:38 GMT
#456
Hmm another reaper nerf. To me, i dont see any use for reapers at all, other units do its exact job only better. I just hope one day they take them out and replace them with Medics and change the dropship back to normal.
Music is the medicine of the mind || Kill a Zergling and a hundred more will take its place.
Bitters
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada303 Posts
October 07 2010 17:38 GMT
#457
On October 08 2010 02:32 Boblhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 02:30 Nirano wrote:
I agree with this patch. Zerg was very weak and needed a lot of buffs to keep the game fair. Good work, Blizzard.

3/4ths of players who play zerg don't know how to play well enough, only top zergs idra/fruit/machine just to name a few are actually good with there race unlike scrubs who can't play it without buffs



way to add fuel to the fire...

i guess "insert random percentage" of terrans who use 30 APM to execute MMM are playing well enough?

saying that only 3 people in the world actually know how to play zerg is a troll
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
October 07 2010 17:38 GMT
#458
This time Zerg wouldn't only win GSL, the whole TOP 3 will be Zerg.
Mark my words.
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
October 07 2010 17:39 GMT
#459
On October 08 2010 02:38 Nu11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 02:37 Fraidnot wrote:
Can we get the extra hp back on the scvs? After all the whole reason they got nerfed is gone.


after auto-repair is removed.

^^ worth a try.
Boblhead
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2577 Posts
October 07 2010 17:39 GMT
#460
On October 08 2010 02:38 Bitters wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 02:32 Boblhead wrote:
On October 08 2010 02:30 Nirano wrote:
I agree with this patch. Zerg was very weak and needed a lot of buffs to keep the game fair. Good work, Blizzard.

3/4ths of players who play zerg don't know how to play well enough, only top zergs idra/fruit/machine just to name a few are actually good with there race unlike scrubs who can't play it without buffs



way to add fuel to the fire...

i guess "insert random percentage" of terrans who use 30 APM to execute MMM are playing well enough?

saying that only 3 people in the world actually know how to play zerg is a troll



if you read you would of read that i said just to name a few, i dont have time to write a list of 3000 people......
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