EPTBlizzard on 1v1 Balancing and the new patch - Page 18
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
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accaris
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DoMo.
Australia20 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:12 prototype. wrote: Is that quoted from blizzard? This is ridiculous if this is the reason why they want to increase roach range. No, this was quoted from some noob who doesn't know the simplest counter to that strat lol | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:04 Liquid`Jinro wrote: The build I described happens to be one of the most popular semi-allins on the korean server -.- 3 void rays + 3 warpgate push, if you dont have vikings and/or a bunch of bunkers you will die. You stim once, he force fields your ramp and retreats, comes back when your marines have 10 less hp and repeats. Im not even saying its imbalanced, but its good. yeah, I've seen it in a lot of replays too, NEXGenius used it a lot in his games vs Maka/Ensnare still, I firmly believe that void rays will eventually change the terran meta-game leading to a more balanced match-up; I've killed countless terrans who overcommited early with void rays - same goes for terrans who teched too fast (banshee-tech without reactor-marines comes to my mind); since the terran can prepare against this build without being completely vulnerable vs "normal" protoss play, maybe we will see a standard "anti-void ray" opening by terran while no protoss will go for them; kinda like protoss opens with early robo to counter early cloaked banshees that never come, compromising their tech-options | ||
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gotterdammerung
Austria17 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:12 Cranberries wrote: Terran is going to have trouble against 6 pools, really? Let's talk timings! Protoss' way of dealing with 6 pool is by walling off completely with a Forge or Gateway. From this we can see that: Pylon: 25 seconds Gateway: 65 seconds (requires Pylon) Total: 90 seconds Supply Depot: 30 seconds Barracks: 60 seconds Total 90 seconds If Protoss can defend against 6 pool, Terran can defend against it too. Even if it is on Steppes of War. I already said it isnt overpowered, TWICE. But you called it "useless" and it really, REALLY isnt. Even if you scout it, its not like every single terran build has a good way of defending it - and you know what, there are a LOT of places buildings can be hidden. Yes, you can scout - but if you get unlucky you wont find it in time or he will kill your scout. On some maps it can be easy, on others not so much. The fact is, this build is very good or it wouldnt be used by so many good protoss players. If you dont trust me, you can just ask TLO and he will tell you the same - its a strong build. [/QUOTE] wow hello EARTH TO POSTER lol... you cant wall off with just a barracks and depot | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On October 08 2010 02:12 Cranberries wrote: Terran is going to have trouble against 6 pools, really? Let's talk timings! Protoss' way of dealing with 6 pool is by walling off completely with a Forge or Gateway. From this we can see that: Pylon: 25 seconds Gateway: 65 seconds (requires Pylon) Total: 90 seconds Supply Depot: 30 seconds Barracks: 60 seconds Total 90 seconds If Protoss can defend against 6 pool, Terran can defend against it too. Even if it is on Steppes of War. I already said it isnt overpowered, TWICE. But you called it "useless" and it really, REALLY isnt. Even if you scout it, its not like every single terran build has a good way of defending it - and you know what, there are a LOT of places buildings can be hidden. Yes, you can scout - but if you get unlucky you wont find it in time or he will kill your scout. On some maps it can be easy, on others not so much. The fact is, this build is very good or it wouldnt be used by so many good protoss players. If you dont trust me, you can just ask TLO and he will tell you the same - its a strong build. Except Protoss gets a pylon earlier by default due to supply. Also like said below, Terran needs to pull workers to do that, so -1 worker for the 90 seconds. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Okay, let's call the build strong. What's the problem? They didn't nerf Marines, Vikings, Anti-Air Turrets. They didn't buff Void Rays, or creation times. If you can defend a Proxy Void Ray at the moment you'll be able to do it after the patch. If there is a more subtle problem, I cannot see it- please tell me. Seriously? Maybe its because terran has to lose 1/8th of their fucking income when they CAN'T chronoboost workers out in order to defend, unlike protoss. | ||
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NATO
United States459 Posts
Win % in Diamond (accounting for player skill) 49.6% win rate for Protoss when fighting Terran. 52.8% win rate for Protoss when fighting Zerg. 49.6% win rate for Terran when fighting Zerg. Then they go on to say that Terran is having a problem vs toss and zerg is having a problem vs Terran. This does not follow. Also their changes are idiot - they're removing options from the game, making the game more boring. Might make it easier to get the 40% win ratio TvZ blizzard is looking for, but this is not going to make the game better. Options = strategery. | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
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Alaron
United States225 Posts
More notably the depot one. | ||
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Bommes
Germany1226 Posts
I'm really looking forward to these changes as a terran player, even though I'm not really agreeing with the supply depot barracks change. I like the reaper change because they had a big impact on teamgames, they will still be viable there imo, but they didn't really have a purpose in 1v1 and were just one more opening against zerg, which is pretty unnecessary as there are enough other good terran openings that are viable. | ||
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Aikin
Austria532 Posts
Protoss should still be able to cannon vs roach, just likely needs a 2 space gap now instead of 1. Might need to do some practicality testing on this one though. Well if you cannon 2 space behind a gateway roaches with increased range should totally be able to just hit the gateway. | ||
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Banger
Canada11 Posts
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Cranberries
Wales567 Posts
People, Terrans, seem to be whining that they're going to have to play macro against a race which is balanced against playing macro? I honestly can't see the upset people feel with any of these changes. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Welcome to what Protoss has always had to deal with. People are blowing this change WAY out of proportion. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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Rodiel
France573 Posts
 im not sure about the reaper nerf 2 nerf for 1 unit is big | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
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