Blizzard on 1v1 Balancing and the new patch - Page 17

On October 08 2010 02:07 gotterdammerung wrote:


Well colossus and storm are both equally as effective, colossus might be better as it is preferred to storm by korean pros.. so nerfing just storm wont fix it.

we need to see some sort of colossus nerf, maybe reduced range. also the warp gates are sick, protoss can rebuild an army even faster than they could in sc1. Also archon warp is sick, it happens fast and toss can drop 6 storms then make an archon and they finish super fast.

we need to see zealot nerf, HT nerf, colossus nerf, archon nerf, and perhaps get rid of the warp gates. I dont see why they are needed, in BW toss had a macro advantage and even in sc2 without warp gates, toss still has a higher gateway/warpgate count than the terran has barracks.

On October 08 2010 02:06 Cranberries wrote:

Maybe you should scout around the entire map? If you lose to a building you didn't scout, isn't that your fault? When IdrA lost to his opponent in the GSL because he didn't scout the hidden Nexus, he didn't say it was overpowered- he pretty much agreed it was his own mistake. Or perhaps Terran shouldn't need to scout?

On October 08 2010 02:10 Boblhead wrote:


we should put your baneling speed and roach speed into the greater spire yes?

I already said it isnt overpowered, TWICE. But you called it "useless" and it really, REALLY isnt.

Even if you scout it, its not like every single terran build has a good way of defending it - and you know what, there are a LOT of places buildings can be hidden.

Yes, you can scout - but if you get unlucky you wont find it in time or he will kill your scout. On some maps it can be easy, on others not so much. The fact is, this build is very good or it wouldnt be used by so many good protoss players.

If you dont trust me, you can just ask TLO and he will tell you the same - its a strong build.

On October 08 2010 02:06 Cranberries wrote:

Maybe you should scout around the entire map? If you lose to a building you didn't scout, isn't that your fault? When IdrA lost to his opponent in the GSL because he didn't scout the hidden Nexus, he didn't say it was overpowered- he pretty much agreed it was his own mistake. Or perhaps Terran shouldn't need to scout?

On October 08 2010 02:06 DoMo. wrote:


"People need to understand the Roach range change is a subtle counter to the Pylon cannon wall in that Zergs will constantly face. The pylon cannon wall in is uncounterable until Hydralisks, and puts the Zerg very, very far behind because they need the expansion due to the way Larvae management works. "

People need to understand that having a drone at your ramp patrolling isn't hard =)

The Barracks are going to require a Supply Depot, which will impact a lot of early terran reaper pushes.
The reaper speed upgrade will require the Factory, which is meant to weaken a lot of the early terran reaper attacks that dominate so many matches, especially in team games.

On October 08 2010 02:12 Qikz wrote:
What's so bad about the supply depot thing? I mean, surely all it means is you just build your depot earliar, exactly what Protoss does for proxy gates?

I play Terran and have done since Brood War and I don't see the problem with that.

On October 08 2010 02:11 gotterdammerung wrote:


I agree with you about depot first, its a disaster, but i disagree about a conc shells nerf, that would be the equivalent of the depot nerf, and would accomplish the same thing. it would force the terran to play for the late game, where he is up against an imbalanced protoss with sick units and lots of options

On October 08 2010 02:09 Hamlet wrote:
Eliminating the ability for Barracks before Supply seems incredibly reckless to me. The existence of cheesy openings is completely necessary for strategic equilibrium. Why not disable early Spawning Pools and 2gates also? The threat of very early aggression prevents runaway blind econ openings. If, right now, good Z players can Hatch-first and get away with it with some work, then when the earliest possible Barracks is on 11 (really 12), they can act with impunity for the first 2+ minutes of the game.

Moreover, what is it intended to prevent? Yeah, proxy Reapers were a pain before, but there was little clear evidence that they were overpowered. Mass Reapers were worse, but that relied on the speed upgrade (and didn't use a fast Barracks anyway). This change serves no purpose and sacrifices much strategic depth in the opening phase of the game.

A great part of the elegance of Starcraft has alway been due to the viability of aggression at any point in the game, due to the weak defensive advantage and other factors. The player interaction begins from the moment the game begins. It's anathema to try to solve a balance problem with "no rush kk?"