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Fisher
Profile Joined July 2010
United States119 Posts
October 07 2010 16:55 GMT
#201
Should be interesting. Not sure if I like the changes this time around.....and whats with the depot before rax? Does blizzard actually play this game? lol I think they can leave terran the ability to rush reapers with all the other buffs and nerfs >.>
graphene
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland211 Posts
October 07 2010 16:55 GMT
#202
z is still inferior imo...
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Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
October 07 2010 16:55 GMT
#203
Sigh Blizz...Its marauders and mules. In the recent games since the patch, reapers are not entirely OP and seem somewhat balanced. I dont know, I just hope they dont nerf the reaper into oblivion.

Work on Marauders...I mean COME on!

And how about Hydras?

I suppose this is but a small step but it could have been better.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
October 07 2010 16:55 GMT
#204
Imagine if roaches were still just 1 supply !?!?!?!?!


Good for zerg, bad for me. As a protoss i'm 50/50 agaisnt protoss, 60/40 against terran, but around 40/60 against zerg, mostly because it's hard for me as a gold player to stop 14 pool, 15 hatch.
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Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
October 07 2010 16:56 GMT
#205
The depot before rax change for the sake of stopping early reapers is just idiotic. I mean, the factory requirement is OK but the depot first is beyond me. I seriously hope that's a joke.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
October 07 2010 16:56 GMT
#206
On October 08 2010 01:51 DoMo. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 01:29 flyinfart wrote:
It would be nice if they made void ray require a fleet beacon. Proxy void ray is ridiculous, especially on maps like LT. Otherwise, I can agree with most of their changes. Though, 6pooling/other cheese is going to become way more devastating to terran.


i lol'd, you bad?

Proxy void ray can be completely retarded when they hide it until they have 3 and you are unable to scout him properly, or scout him incorrectly.

Not unbeatable, just stupid because if you dont prepare specifically for it, you die really hard. There are prob some terran equivalents of this of course.
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theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
October 07 2010 16:56 GMT
#207
On October 08 2010 01:54 Jibba wrote:
These changes seem very ill-conceived to me, but one thing to keep in mind is that the next patch is at least 2 months out. That's still a lot of time for the metagame for shift. Still, I can't help but feel like Blizzard is approaching SC2 balance the way they approach WoW balance, especially by factoring in plat/gold/silver/bronze win % numbers. :/


Knowing their behavior leading up to 1.1, we can't suspect anything but that these will be the only changes in the patch no matter how long we have to wait for it Though I guess technically we should wait for Situation Report 2 before thinking we've seen all we'll see.
mols0n
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada388 Posts
October 07 2010 16:56 GMT
#208
wtf supply before rax? how the hell are terran suppose to stop 6 pool on a map like steppes of war? and what about fast gateway proxies?
Zeroes
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
October 07 2010 16:56 GMT
#209
On October 08 2010 01:46 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
WHAT. THE. FUCK?

Fuck my life, all hellion and reaper builds just died?

So this leaves what, camp like a whore for 30 minutes with planetary fortresses? Fun times.



I think you are overreacting jinro, Zerg players need some way to deal with harass and its not like hellion builds are useless. Hellions still out range roaches just not as badly anymore.
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Lumb
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom78 Posts
October 07 2010 16:56 GMT
#210
On October 08 2010 01:47 edwin23 wrote:
So how does terran stop a 6pool in close positions now?


How about exactly the same as before
Obsolescence
Profile Joined August 2010
United States270 Posts
October 07 2010 16:57 GMT
#211
On October 08 2010 01:53 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2010 01:50 Obsolescence wrote:
On October 08 2010 01:47 MrBitter wrote:
On October 08 2010 01:46 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
WHAT. THE. FUCK?

Fuck my life, all hellion and reaper builds just died?

So this leaves what, camp like a whore for 30 minutes with planetary fortresses? Fun times.


Wait. What?


Hellion builds will be ineffective because apparently roaches were meant to counter them, and not just be kited by them. Of course, since the roach range boost is probably only going to be +1 (3 -> 4), the hellions will still out-range roaches by 1 I believe (2 for partial).


Ahh, this makes sense.

Still though, Hellion builds (unless you're TLO) never revolved around killing roachs with hellions. They're about abusing mobility to inflict eco damage. Unless Blizz does something dumb like give roaches hydra range, I think this will still be completely viable.


They aren't giving roaches a speed boost. They'll still be slow as hell for the early hellion drone BBQ. Have you tried chasing down hellions with roaches + queen? Benny Hill anyone? (don't gimme that 'L2P noob,' even FruitDealer can't kill them easily)
It doesn't think. It doesn't feel. It doesn't laugh or cry. All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. -Phyrexian Hulk
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
October 07 2010 16:57 GMT
#212
On October 08 2010 01:56 mols0n wrote:
wtf supply before rax? how the hell are terran suppose to stop 6 pool on a map like steppes of war? and what about fast gateway proxies?


When has T ever struggled with stopping 6 pool? Finish your wall, pull 3 scvs to repair, and type "lol" repeatedly when your first marine pops out.
DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
October 07 2010 16:57 GMT
#213
The fungal change makes sense to me, the barracks and reaper speed from fact... does not. Speaking as a zerg player, I don't imagine I am every going to see reapers again from any T ever if these notes happen. Which is fine with me, but kindof a silly change I think. Roaches NEED at least 1 or 2 more range though, and fungal should have always stopped blink (since it stops burrow also).
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Cink
Profile Joined April 2010
United States93 Posts
October 07 2010 16:57 GMT
#214
On October 08 2010 01:55 Crissaegrim wrote:
Sigh Blizz...Its marauders and mules. In the recent games since the patch, reapers are not entirely OP and seem somewhat balanced. I dont know, I just hope they dont nerf the reaper into oblivion.

Work on Marauders...I mean COME on!

And how about Hydras?

I suppose this is but a small step but it could have been better.

Watch them buff roaches to 7 so they out-range marauders.
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Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 16:58:26
October 07 2010 16:57 GMT
#215
unsure how the depot before rax will work out.

hoping won't affect it tooooooo much D:
wat
Karkadinn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States132 Posts
October 07 2010 16:57 GMT
#216
I wish people would stop with the 'X got nerfed, now it will never be used again' hyperbole. This goes for Terran units, Zerg units, Protoss units, whatever.

That said, reapers have always had an iffy design. They're a lot like void rays in that they feel gimmicky, running hot or cold. If these nerfs help bring more of their inherent structural weakness to the fore, maybe we can hope for a slight redesign that will help them be more useful in the mid-late game while not being an overwhelmingly frustrating cheese element in early game.
Aikin
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria532 Posts
October 07 2010 16:57 GMT
#217
I really wonder about the reaper speed requiring a factory. I mean I think most people agree that reaper become rather useless after the early game so I think well there won´t be many reapers at all.

Also roach range sounds soo awesome. I think that would be enough to help z vs reapers after their build time nerf.
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Gman1216
Profile Joined May 2010
United States97 Posts
October 07 2010 16:57 GMT
#218
its not like a zerg just won the GSL by the way
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MadZ
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark111 Posts
October 07 2010 16:57 GMT
#219
the roach range incrase is going to be awesome but reapers is not a problem blizz.. now every terran is going to open hellion and probaly with blue flame ... goodbye drones..
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
October 07 2010 16:58 GMT
#220
I like the buff for the Zerg

But they are really focusing on Reapers more than any unit in the game lately. I think the late time build is good enough. I think they should focus on another Terran unit rather than Reapers. IMO I think Medivacs need a little nerf. Nothing to big though. Maybe make them a bit slower or something. Those drops...*sigh
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