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OP makes me happy that all graded work at my uni is written under exam conditions =p.
Then again as a chem student I never write essays anyway.
In general I would never cheat because a, I would never trust anyone else to do an equally good job, b I'm in school to learn/because I enjoy it, cheating kinda takes away the point. (maphacking on iccup?  )
Stupid people cheating their way through uni is a (admitidly small) reason why a degree in and of itself doesnt mean anything anymore. If you can't handle the workload then you werent meant to be there =p.
Apart from that I must say that my more primitive side becomes very happy when someone with weak enough morals that he is prepared to sell women/drugs ends up getting kicked out of a good uni due to unfortunate circumstances.
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On August 09 2009 04:51 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 03:23 Chef wrote:There's tedious shit at the lower levels to give you a baseline of information that you might not know you need (kids make this complaint about lower level math all the time, and they're wrong. Whoa really? I was too scared to take a math course in university because I thought it'd be too advanced since I didn't take any math in my last year of high school. If I knew it started with the basics, I might have given it a try. I was talking about the high school level. o.o I always remember kids saying "I'll never need to know _______" but it turns out they're important to know, not just for later levels of math/science but in real life as well. At the college level, calc 101/2 is basically taught as Calc AB/BC is in highschool.
Hahah I was a bit like that: Calc 2 is all I'll ever need to know...OH SHIT, Maybe I need Linear algebra for my econ class, but that's definitely all I'll ever need to know...OH SHIT Now I need calc 3. and stat 400 for my new econ class, but that's definitely all.....NOOOOOOOOO!
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On August 09 2009 08:58 Sadistx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 04:51 Jibba wrote:On August 09 2009 03:23 Chef wrote:There's tedious shit at the lower levels to give you a baseline of information that you might not know you need (kids make this complaint about lower level math all the time, and they're wrong. Whoa really? I was too scared to take a math course in university because I thought it'd be too advanced since I didn't take any math in my last year of high school. If I knew it started with the basics, I might have given it a try. I was talking about the high school level. o.o I always remember kids saying "I'll never need to know _______" but it turns out they're important to know, not just for later levels of math/science but in real life as well. At the college level, calc 101/2 is basically taught as Calc AB/BC is in highschool. Hahah I was a bit like that: Calc 2 is all I'll ever need to know...OH SHIT, Maybe I need Linear algebra for my econ class, but that's definitely all I'll ever need to know...OH SHIT Now I need calc 3. and stat 400 for my new econ class, but that's definitely all.....NOOOOOOOOO!
Haha, I made it through calc 2 in college, but I HATED geometry in highschool. Now I find myself doing a lot of building/construction type stuff and it actually comes in handy irl. o.o I even end up thinking about physics a lot in every day stuff, which I never expected would happen when I was taking the class.
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On August 09 2009 03:03 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 15:56 eMbrace wrote:
I agree with shotz's overall message -- school is bullshit, and just because you have a degree doesn't actually mean your a smart person.
I think term papers are easy enough to write myself, but if the price was right and it was a guaranteed A or even B -- I see no shame in paying.
"Oh you didn't do the work, that's wrong"
What work? You mean wasting my time writing something that has nothing to do with how successful I'll be in my field? Writing something all day and night that's not even coming from me, but from a bunch of quoted materials and an opinion that I'm only forming because I know my instructor wants to hear it?
Now of course, I still believe you need an education in the field you are choosing in order to actually preform it (although there are exceptions...) -- but the education system loves to throw as much tedious shit at you as possible -- hoping they can make you fail.
Essays, pop quizes, and graded homework are just a few of those obstacles that are completely unnecessary IMO.
I still do them because I have to -- but it shouldn't feel like that. This post makes me think one of two things. Either 1) you've got bad professors. Regardless of how "prestigious" or high ranked your school is, professors who offer you nothing of relevance or expect regurgitated readings aren't doing their job. 2) you're a freshman or sophomore, and haven't taken upper level classes. There's tedious shit at the lower levels to give you a baseline of information that you might not know you need (kids make this complaint about lower level math all the time, and they're wrong. It's also the professor's job to make sure you understand how it's important and continue connecting it as you move through material) and to weed out students who aren't serious. Some of the best economics programs in the country require their freshman/sophomores to take physics, because it's the best weedout class there is and you need a certain amount of brainpower to get by. That doesn't necessarily mean all 4 years will have have "useless" courses like that, and if they do then you picked the wrong major/school. Just as an example, almost all of my classes now are graded on participation and 2-4 essays. No pop quizzes, no graded homework, and in a class with 13 other smart people, "participating" by repeating bullshit will get you torn apart, since part of our job is to find holes in the things we read.
I think you misunderstood me.
I know kids love to complain about homework, essays, tests etc... -- that's not who I want to be grouped with.
1.) I think introducing students to multiple subjects of study is mandatory -- whether they plan on pursuing them or not because it gives them more opportunities to explore fields when they find out they actually don't want to become a fireman or a doctor -- it also may help them become more open-minded individuals and more knowledgeable of the world around them.
2.) My gripes are the portions of the American education system that are unnecessary -- and only make the whole process that much more tedious.
It's true I am only a sophomore at my university -- and I am by no means declaring that big term papers for high level classes aren't valuable experiences. In some cases, like you said, the papers are the whole point of the class.
So in that sense, sure --writing essays for low level classes is good practice and could be seen as necessary, although I honestly don't feel very smart when I write my big papers and receive A's on them.
Why? Because I'm writing for the teacher. What do teachers love? Cheesy anecdotes, metaphorical introductions, and lots of citing of other people's work. I get nauseous writing some of the garbage I do just to get an A. If you have a sound opinion backed by evidence that you can argue very well with others -- an essay is a great way to ruin the message of your views.
But perhaps these papers will help those in other fields such as history or english. And if you can't figure out how to look up sources and cite them (like all teachers assume) -- it's a good learning experience. So I guess I was a little pessimistic about the essay thing, they do in fact benefit students. I just don't think I personally need them, but the big points are always a nice bonus. That's why if they were cheap -- I'd buy an essay or two (of course, not at the OP's prices or even half that).
As for graded homework -- it's always been dumb. It's useful in elementary school because it teaches the importance of doing your studies before the tests come, but I'm an adult now -- do you really have to grade the way I choose to ace your tests?
Give me lots of homework, and let me schedule it into my study plan accordingly. Giving me deadlines so you can grade my study work is absolutely pointless and tedious. Homework helps poor students and annoys good students IMO.
Problem is -- the poor students don't do the homework anyways.
Lecture me, give my studying materials, and test me so I can show you that I understood your class.
Don't grade my homework, don't screw me over with pop quizzes, and if your going to be give me an essay -- it better be a topic that I can form a non-artificial opinion around.
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I'm just sorry that you think testing alone should be all there is to academia.
I hope you realize that many people don't test well either.
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For people who just need to get the degree for the promotion they want, then I would say if you can live with your conscience, then go for it. It's just comes down to whether the time you're saving is worth the 50 or 100 dollars you're spending. For those people a B- is good enough as well. Essays are usually BS anyways, and all you're really doing is practicing your writing. But essays aren't all there is to the education system. You're making contacts, and the concentration of people in your field gives you opportunities you aren't going to find anywhere else. As an engineering undergrad I've worked on race cars and satellites with other students. Lockheed Martin isn't going to let someone with a high school diploma anywhere near their satellites, but being in the education system means they will consider it.
And shotz, I have to question your obvious confidence in your success. You're probably very good at what you do; you may even be the best. But if you're too successful, people will start to take notice. And you WILL be shut down. It sounds like you're in a managerial position; do you really want to manage a business doomed to die? Even if you avoid that, you'll be stuck writing essays or managing a stunted business until you retire. I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like a job I want. You're probably making a hell of a lot more than I am right now (I make negative amounts because of tuition) but come on, it's just money. What you're doing is glorified drug dealing - a little more legal, a little less profitable. I don't mean to be condescending. I just think you could utilize your skills in better ways.
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On August 09 2009 10:37 eMbrace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 03:03 Jibba wrote:On August 08 2009 15:56 eMbrace wrote:
I agree with shotz's overall message -- school is bullshit, and just because you have a degree doesn't actually mean your a smart person.
I think term papers are easy enough to write myself, but if the price was right and it was a guaranteed A or even B -- I see no shame in paying.
"Oh you didn't do the work, that's wrong"
What work? You mean wasting my time writing something that has nothing to do with how successful I'll be in my field? Writing something all day and night that's not even coming from me, but from a bunch of quoted materials and an opinion that I'm only forming because I know my instructor wants to hear it?
Now of course, I still believe you need an education in the field you are choosing in order to actually preform it (although there are exceptions...) -- but the education system loves to throw as much tedious shit at you as possible -- hoping they can make you fail.
Essays, pop quizes, and graded homework are just a few of those obstacles that are completely unnecessary IMO.
I still do them because I have to -- but it shouldn't feel like that. This post makes me think one of two things. Either 1) you've got bad professors. Regardless of how "prestigious" or high ranked your school is, professors who offer you nothing of relevance or expect regurgitated readings aren't doing their job. 2) you're a freshman or sophomore, and haven't taken upper level classes. There's tedious shit at the lower levels to give you a baseline of information that you might not know you need (kids make this complaint about lower level math all the time, and they're wrong. It's also the professor's job to make sure you understand how it's important and continue connecting it as you move through material) and to weed out students who aren't serious. Some of the best economics programs in the country require their freshman/sophomores to take physics, because it's the best weedout class there is and you need a certain amount of brainpower to get by. That doesn't necessarily mean all 4 years will have have "useless" courses like that, and if they do then you picked the wrong major/school. Just as an example, almost all of my classes now are graded on participation and 2-4 essays. No pop quizzes, no graded homework, and in a class with 13 other smart people, "participating" by repeating bullshit will get you torn apart, since part of our job is to find holes in the things we read. I think you misunderstood me. I know kids love to complain about homework, essays, tests etc... -- that's not who I want to be grouped with. 1.) I think introducing students to multiple subjects of study is mandatory -- whether they plan on pursuing them or not because it gives them more opportunities to explore fields when they find out they actually don't want to become a fireman or a doctor -- it also may help them become more open-minded individuals and more knowledgeable of the world around them. 2.) My gripes are the portions of the American education system that are unnecessary -- and only make the whole process that much more tedious. It's true I am only a sophomore at my university -- and I am by no means declaring that big term papers for high level classes aren't valuable experiences. In some cases, like you said, the papers are the whole point of the class. So in that sense, sure --writing essays for low level classes is good practice and could be seen as necessary, although I honestly don't feel very smart when I write my big papers and receive A's on them. Why? Because I'm writing for the teacher. What do teachers love? Cheesy anecdotes, metaphorical introductions, and lots of citing of other people's work. I get nauseous writing some of the garbage I do just to get an A. If you have a sound opinion backed by evidence that you can argue very well with others -- an essay is a great way to ruin the message of your views. But perhaps these papers will help those in other fields such as history or english. And if you can't figure out how to look up sources and cite them (like all teachers assume) -- it's a good learning experience. So I guess I was a little pessimistic about the essay thing, they do in fact benefit students. I just don't think I personally need them, but the big points are always a nice bonus. That's why if they were cheap -- I'd buy an essay or two (of course, not at the OP's prices or even half that). As for graded homework -- it's always been dumb. It's useful in elementary school because it teaches the importance of doing your studies before the tests come, but I'm an adult now -- do you really have to grade the way I choose to ace your tests? Give me lots of homework, and let me schedule it into my study plan accordingly. Giving me deadlines so you can grade my study work is absolutely pointless and tedious. Homework helps poor students and annoys good students IMO. Problem is -- the poor students don't do the homework anyways. Lecture me, give my studying materials, and test me so I can show you that I understood your class. Don't grade my homework, don't screw me over with pop quizzes, and if your going to be give me an essay -- it better be a topic that I can form a non-artificial opinion around. What's your major? I understand your complaint better now, but I think a lot of it has to do with the logistics of trying to teach an entire class. A lot of the early paper work you're doing is simply learning how to write papers- how to do research, how to make logical deductions, how to hypothesize without assuming (huge issue), etc. Unfortunately, I bet the rest of your classmates are a lot dumber than you, but the professor has to grade appropriately for the entire class. I'm not sure what your major is or what classes you've got gripes with, but I bet things will improve your next two years. Either the material will get more specific, or you'll start to get grilled a lot harder on the material and hopefully will be forced to make statements that were never mentioned in the reading or by the professor.
I had a Modern Chinese History class last semester (semi-unrelated to my major) that was only a 200 level, but the teacher tore me apart on papers, even as a junior that's used to straight 4s on 300 and 400 poli sci/philosophy papers. I still finished with a 3.7 in the class and I learned a lot, but I'm mostly grateful for all the red ink she put on my papers. Hopefully you'll get someone like that, where you really do have to reach to get a good grade.
I'm kind of curious just what kind of cheesy stuff you were getting As for.
EDIT: I guess this all kind of relates to shotz' business. There are people who do work to learn and improve, and there are people who are simply grade whores. It's an alluring trap, but ultimately I have faith that being a grade whore doesn't get you jack shit. Some people get away with it, but that doesn't mean they're actually good at what they do. I've had a few classmates like that and I don't respect their work (coincidentally they're all going to law school and all got wait listed from their main choices.) Shit like the LSAT/GRE encourage it, but luckily most of the grad schools I'm applying to emphasize my personal essay over grades/scores. And there's no fucking way shotz can write a better personal essay for me than I can.
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i'd pay depending on price
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fuck the system bra
i shoulda not been lazy and i could have made a lot more money doing this shit in college
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you're asking the wrong audience, most people here can write it themselves, and are too proud to receive any credential based on another's work.
as for the morality of this, you are in no way immoral, you provide a helpful service. The immoral ones are your clients.
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# B- MINUS Money BACK Guarantee. The ILEssay Promise!
Is that like a C+?
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so you led your life astray due to a bitter rejection from a university and thus formed a loathing for "grade whores" and the academia system.
now, you live a life catering(mostly, i'm assuming) to the very people that you despised... possibly promoting the corrupted system itself.
Even more so ironic is your drive for academics even after being rejected from university. You want anything you can get your hands on evidently.
and to top it off you post of all places, here on TL.
5/5
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Heh i read this randomly , I think it applies to a few posters mentality-
You agree with me = GOOD ATTITUDE
You disagree with me = BAD ATTITUDE
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That professors are coming up to ME, little old me, for help with a second masters?
Is this quoted from a book or something? -just wondering-
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Why are some people calling him arrogant? If he puts that much effort in his work and believes in it why shouldn't he say he is writting top quality shit. He probably is. Unlike most of the people posting here that are frustrated with their lives and don't do anything to change it you found something you really like to do. Good luck, cool story, nice read.
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This really boils down to a problem with our education system in my opinion. Too many people are going to university. You need atleast four years to get most jobs and its just being used as a test to make sure you're half-way competent and willing to put in some work. Its a huge waste of time and resources I think.
I love school myself, I'm going into my fourth year pure math and don't think I'll see the end of academia for many years. I wouldn't get something written for me because I like learning stuff and I think thats how many of us here feel. However, lots of people are only going to university to get a job and it really is a stupid system. Grades are a very poor measurment of learning and its easy to cheat the system.
I hope your services become unnecessary as we stop forcing people through an undergraduate degree for little reason, or a bit more useless(to the student) education to get some promotion.
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The quality of writing and thought in the samples sucks balls honestly. I want to see papers on Moltke's level--then I can decline the service on the basis of integrity and training rather than contempt for such half-assed garbage.
edit: Now that I think about it, you used to employ women to suck balls. Now you employ writers to do the same.
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On August 11 2009 14:14 Etherone wrote:
as for the morality of this, you are in no way immoral, you provide a helpful service. The immoral ones are your clients.
Logic fail.
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I'd never pay for an essay because I just don't feel like it's necessary. I'd rather fail and learn from my mistakes than pay for an easy way out. But nothing against your business. I just dislike how this post was some what of a huge advertisement for it.
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