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On August 08 2009 13:39 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
please stop calling people baby, buddy, ol'bud, and such
k, stupid
Anyways, this is what I see.
I see credentials. We are a meritocracy. You went to Law School? OK. You went to Law School and got a degree? Wow.
You served as *enter confusing title* for *what does this organization really do?* Wow.
Everyone is looking to get merits. The more merits you have, the more money you're going to make. The more money you're going to make, the hotter your wife/husband is going to be. Then you can buy a nice car, a nice house, blah blah. All these are merits--symbols of your success.
That's all fine and dandy, if you choose to live that way.
I don't NEED a bachelor's to know I can write. I don't NEED a class in business to know how to run a business. And honestly, neither do you.
You don't NEED the law degree to succeed in life. Look at Lincoln. Successful politician and lawyer, and he was largely self-educated. Billy G dropped out of the Ivys to found what is ESSENTIAL to us today.
Just remember what your striving for. Are you striving for the badge? Or are you striving to learn something?
If you're simply striving for the badge, why outsource your BS projects? For example, you need a BA in Macro, but you're required to take an Art History class. Do you WANT to learn about Art History? I DO. But maybe you don't. Too bad for you, I'll take it off your hands. You win, I win. Win-win.
The world is getting more and more specialized each day. We have lefty relievers coming out of the bullpen for one goddamn hitter. We have lawyers who focus on JUST bankruptcy, or JUST criminal defense. But at the same time, we're required in academia to learn all this extra stuff (which is not BAD necessarily) like Art History, when we need to learn Business. Is Art going to help you? No, well maybe. But most likely not. Most likely, the college REQUIRES you to take this class so they can make a couple extra thou off you.
Now if you don't like the idea of the college possibly holding you back b/c they want to make an extra couple thou off you, then outsource (to WHOEVER, not necessarily me). If you got better things to do than write about Andy Warhol and Campbell soup cans, then outsource. If you want to get it done the old-fashioned way, and pick up some great information and lessons in the process, then do it yourself. Just realize that there are people out there who CHOOSE not to.
KKKKK PEACE
edit: Slaughter, you are the rare and delicate flower. You clearly enjoy spending time in the lab and doing research in your field. I humbly bow my head to you 98 degrees in respect. Doing what you want to do is the key to happiness, wouldn't you agree?
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You're spending a lot of time trying to convince us it's ok, but I think you're still trying to convince yourself. ^^
You don't need a college degree to be successful, but you'll probably have to be brilliant in some capacity to succeed without one. Most of us aren't brilliant, and some people who are find that they can achieve even further by pursuing their education. The old paradigm has people getting specialized, the new one is diversity and requires people who can think on multiple levels; hence the rising success of liberal arts education.
Either way, the basis of your business is immoral; you're enabling people to take credit for work that isn't theirs. You can say that the rest of the world is immoral too blah blah blah, but that's only an indictment (and often an incorrect one) of other people's behavior, not a justification of your own. I don't think your parents or teachers ever let you get away with "but soandso did it also."
EDIT: I'm delighted that you've been polite so far. At least you can take criticism.
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KK, i'm gonna stop refreshing this shit LOL. Obsessive personality....
Jibba, you're right. In a way. Good shit about the new paradigm, def. did not know that's where the trend was going. Guess I'm behind the curve.
Immorality is a complex issue. But maybe deep down, I know you're right. Maybe not. I can't tell at the moment.
Drinking whiskey, Jameson, on the rizzicks. Who else is drinking tonight?
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you sound like a douchebag who just finished watching good will hunting
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kkkkkkk LOVA YA FRITS
Good will hunting? WTF does that have to do with this? I fucking hate math. God........... I'm more like Neal fucking Cassady.
Hey what's it like in the Netherlands. I want to visit. Buy me a beer won'tya?
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moral fag reporting for duty, sir.
not really. but i'd rather write my own term papers. if anything, to show my parents that i'm just not cut out to be a doctor or something like that.
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Michaelj,
Thanks for pointing that out. Thanks to google analytics though (google is your friend not your enemy) I can see that NOBODY googles the fucking URL to my website.
So say your smarmy bullshit. STUPID.
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edit: I'd rather not participate anymore
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I agree with shotz's overall message -- school is bullshit, and just because you have a degree doesn't actually mean your a smart person.
I think term papers are easy enough to write myself, but if the price was right and it was a guaranteed A or even B -- I see no shame in paying.
"Oh you didn't do the work, that's wrong"
What work? You mean wasting my time writing something that has nothing to do with how successful I'll be in my field? Writing something all day and night that's not even coming from me, but from a bunch of quoted materials and an opinion that I'm only forming because I know my instructor wants to hear it?
Now of course, I still believe you need an education in the field you are choosing in order to actually preform it (although there are exceptions...) -- but the education system loves to throw as much tedious shit at you as possible -- hoping they can make you fail.
Essays, pop quizes, and graded homework are just a few of those obstacles that are completely unnecessary IMO.
I still do them because I have to -- but it shouldn't feel like that.
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I'm very disillusioned with academia. Not because I don't think it'll help me get a job, but because I think that it has nothing to do with learning/becoming better. My answer is you don't need to pay someone to write your essays. A monkey could do it, as long as they don't go out partying every night, and when it comes down to it you need to be able to do it in an exam room anyway to get your degree, so why not get some practice?
What I hate about your post though, is that you claim yourself to be successful. You sell drugs to hopeless addicts and perpetuate some of humanity's biggest threats. Selling cocaine doesn't make you a baller, it makes you a worm who sold out his own race for a little personal monetary gain/freedom. You're selfish and a dickhead.
+ Show Spoiler +Maybe I'm being overly moralistic here. Believe me, I don't really think there's any such thing as right and wrong. I just know that the world I live in is made less enjoyable by people like you, which naturally means I will disapprove.
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LOLLLL
Chef my man... the ONE thing I  O NOT* claim to be is successful. THAT is one thing I can promise you on.
NO. Seriously. I'm not successful. Never wanted to be. Just wanted a goddamn break... Just want to be left alone. No fucking debt collectors (god) no fucking tow trucks, no one harrassing my family, just to be left alone, maybe buy a piece of land somewhere, get a job, grow some shit in a garden.... too much to ask?
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Successful by what metric?
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On August 08 2009 16:17 Chef wrote:I'm very disillusioned with academia. Not because I don't think it'll help me get a job, but because I think that it has nothing to do with learning/becoming better. My answer is you don't need to pay someone to write your essays. A monkey could do it, as long as they don't go out partying every night, and when it comes down to it you need to be able to do it in an exam room anyway to get your degree, so why not get some practice? What I hate about your post though, is that you claim yourself to be successful. You sell drugs to hopeless addicts and perpetuate some of humanity's biggest threats. Selling cocaine doesn't make you a baller, it makes you a worm who sold out his own race for a little personal monetary gain/freedom. You're selfish and a dickhead. + Show Spoiler +Maybe I'm being overly moralistic here. Believe me, I don't really think there's any such thing as right and wrong. I just know that the world I live in is made less enjoyable by people like you, which naturally means I will disapprove.
While he is part of a system that overall is a big cause of street violence -- he's technically just a guy taking advantage of stupid people.
I doubt he is trying persuade little children who don't know what drugs are to buy them.
It's basically like the tobacco industry -- is it really their fault that people choose to buy their products?
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On August 08 2009 16:28 eMbrace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 16:17 Chef wrote:I'm very disillusioned with academia. Not because I don't think it'll help me get a job, but because I think that it has nothing to do with learning/becoming better. My answer is you don't need to pay someone to write your essays. A monkey could do it, as long as they don't go out partying every night, and when it comes down to it you need to be able to do it in an exam room anyway to get your degree, so why not get some practice? What I hate about your post though, is that you claim yourself to be successful. You sell drugs to hopeless addicts and perpetuate some of humanity's biggest threats. Selling cocaine doesn't make you a baller, it makes you a worm who sold out his own race for a little personal monetary gain/freedom. You're selfish and a dickhead. + Show Spoiler +Maybe I'm being overly moralistic here. Believe me, I don't really think there's any such thing as right and wrong. I just know that the world I live in is made less enjoyable by people like you, which naturally means I will disapprove. While he is part of a system that overall is a big cause of street violence -- he's technically just a guy taking advantage of stupid people. I doubt he is trying persuade little children who don't know what drugs are to buy them. It's basically like the tobacco industry -- is it really their fault that people choose to buy their products?
Bad analogy here, for a long time, it was their fault - they had advertising budgets and campaigns to get people hooked on cigarettes, then commissioned studies "proving" that there weren't any health risks, or that cigarettes were even good for people. Hell, they didn't stop doing this until around the 1960's, and even then, they still aggressively marketed tobacco products to all sorts of people (including children).
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Still, I'm interested in knowing the answer to my question. OP, by what metric would you define yourself as "successful" by? Enjoying life? Monetarily? Learning?
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On August 08 2009 16:31 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 16:28 eMbrace wrote:On August 08 2009 16:17 Chef wrote:I'm very disillusioned with academia. Not because I don't think it'll help me get a job, but because I think that it has nothing to do with learning/becoming better. My answer is you don't need to pay someone to write your essays. A monkey could do it, as long as they don't go out partying every night, and when it comes down to it you need to be able to do it in an exam room anyway to get your degree, so why not get some practice? What I hate about your post though, is that you claim yourself to be successful. You sell drugs to hopeless addicts and perpetuate some of humanity's biggest threats. Selling cocaine doesn't make you a baller, it makes you a worm who sold out his own race for a little personal monetary gain/freedom. You're selfish and a dickhead. + Show Spoiler +Maybe I'm being overly moralistic here. Believe me, I don't really think there's any such thing as right and wrong. I just know that the world I live in is made less enjoyable by people like you, which naturally means I will disapprove. While he is part of a system that overall is a big cause of street violence -- he's technically just a guy taking advantage of stupid people. I doubt he is trying persuade little children who don't know what drugs are to buy them. It's basically like the tobacco industry -- is it really their fault that people choose to buy their products? Bad analogy here, for a long time, it was their fault - they had advertising budgets and campaigns to get people hooked on cigarettes, then commissioned studies "proving" that there weren't any health risks, or that cigarettes were even good for people. Hell, they didn't stop doing this until around the 1960's, and even then, they still aggressively marketed tobacco products to all sorts of people (including children). ~~~ Still, I'm interested in knowing the answer to my question. OP, by what metric would you define yourself as "successful" by? Enjoying life? Monetarily? Learning?
The health risk of cigarettes is common knowledge though. Although the tobacco companies were wrong to sell a poisonous product to a unknowing populace before, I agree.
Persuading someone to start smoking isn't very easy anymore, and those who fall for it know very well of the consequences (that's written on the packs themselves).
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While he is part of a system that overall is a big cause of street violence -- he's technically just a guy taking advantage of stupid people.
If I were to be sympathetic, I would not think of it that way at all. I would believe that his choices are 'live like shit and die miserable' or 'sell drugs and steal a little comfort for myself in an unjust and cruel world.' That I could understand, but it doesn't look to me like he lacked options. Financial aid may have screwed him over for a ridiculous top tier university, but someone who even has access to that is by no means screwed.
All I mean is... It's built in our genetics to want to perpetuate the human race; that's essentially what we've evolved to do. To me it's like going against your very being to commit atrocity except in the extreme case of life or death. I don't see how anyone can attain lasting happiness knowing they've betrayed themselves. I understand even less how someone can seem to brag about it.
On August 08 2009 16:31 Empyrean wrote:
Still, I'm interested in knowing the answer to my question. OP, by what metric would you define yourself as "successful" by? Enjoying life? Monetarily? Learning?
He said he doesn't think he is. But his attitude seems to say otherwise.
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On August 08 2009 16:39 eMbrace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 16:31 Empyrean wrote:On August 08 2009 16:28 eMbrace wrote:On August 08 2009 16:17 Chef wrote:I'm very disillusioned with academia. Not because I don't think it'll help me get a job, but because I think that it has nothing to do with learning/becoming better. My answer is you don't need to pay someone to write your essays. A monkey could do it, as long as they don't go out partying every night, and when it comes down to it you need to be able to do it in an exam room anyway to get your degree, so why not get some practice? What I hate about your post though, is that you claim yourself to be successful. You sell drugs to hopeless addicts and perpetuate some of humanity's biggest threats. Selling cocaine doesn't make you a baller, it makes you a worm who sold out his own race for a little personal monetary gain/freedom. You're selfish and a dickhead. + Show Spoiler +Maybe I'm being overly moralistic here. Believe me, I don't really think there's any such thing as right and wrong. I just know that the world I live in is made less enjoyable by people like you, which naturally means I will disapprove. While he is part of a system that overall is a big cause of street violence -- he's technically just a guy taking advantage of stupid people. I doubt he is trying persuade little children who don't know what drugs are to buy them. It's basically like the tobacco industry -- is it really their fault that people choose to buy their products? Bad analogy here, for a long time, it was their fault - they had advertising budgets and campaigns to get people hooked on cigarettes, then commissioned studies "proving" that there weren't any health risks, or that cigarettes were even good for people. Hell, they didn't stop doing this until around the 1960's, and even then, they still aggressively marketed tobacco products to all sorts of people (including children). ~~~ Still, I'm interested in knowing the answer to my question. OP, by what metric would you define yourself as "successful" by? Enjoying life? Monetarily? Learning? The health risk of cigarettes is common knowledge though. Although the tobacco companies were wrong to sell a poisonous product to a unknowing populace before, I agree. Persuading someone to start smoking isn't very easy anymore, and those who fall for it know very well of the consequences (that's written on the packs themselves).
Not back in the first half of the twentieth century it wasn't. Tobacco products weren't seen as harmful in any way, and often times tobacco companies would get doctor endorsements for their products. The tobacco companies themselves actually probably didn't really suspect how dangerous they were.
Obviously it's not true today.
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On August 08 2009 16:41 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +While he is part of a system that overall is a big cause of street violence -- he's technically just a guy taking advantage of stupid people. If I were to be sympathetic, I would not think of it that way at all. I would believe that his choices are 'live like shit and die miserable' or 'sell drugs and steal a little comfort for myself in an unjust and cruel world.' That I could understand, but it doesn't look to me like he lacked options. Financial aid may have screwed him over for a ridiculous top tier university, but someone who even has access to that is by no means screwed. All I mean is... It's built in our genetics to want to perpetuate the human race; that's essentially what we've evolved to do. To me it's like going against your very being to commit atrocity except in the extreme case of life or death. I don't see how anyone can attain lasting happiness knowing they've betrayed themselves. I understand even less how someone can seem to brag about it. Show nested quote +On August 08 2009 16:31 Empyrean wrote:
Still, I'm interested in knowing the answer to my question. OP, by what metric would you define yourself as "successful" by? Enjoying life? Monetarily? Learning?
He said he doesn't think he is. But his attitude seems to say otherwise.
IMO I think the world is still far away from being able to come together under the one label of "humanity."
Although your thinking is noble.
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Oh, in his post he wrote "Chef my man... the ONE thing I claim to be is successful. THAT is one thing I can promise you on." but I see now that he edited the post later.
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